r/thebronzemovement

India’s main subs are irrationally pessimistic and moderated to maintain that

We are very well aware of the challenges faced by India - there are many, and the complexity of the nation, perhaps makes it one of the hardest to govern and fix globally. Ofcourse, doesn’t help that our politics has mostly been myopic

However, I’m so tired of the stupidly pessimistic posts on the major subs

Folks are straight up saying the country hasn’t improved at all? They clearly don’t see stats or observe what’s happening

Many directly compare India to the US? At independence we were bankrupt, with a life expectancy of 32, and literacy of 12%.

*We have come very far*

These posts are saddening because they indicate people aren’t well read (not even read, I’d say), and living in their tiny bubbles. Hate saying this but reading those highlights many are just kids glued to their phones viz a window curating a perfect “life abroad” showcase and have 0 semblance of reality.

The mods also keep the toxicity and one sided convos going. All the best to our ambitions to grow and improve if the next generation can only curse the nation and not acknowledge reality and the positives.

I’m not a nationalist and open to criticism. But, this insane context less anti India tirade is more detrimental than any geopolitics out there.

It genuinely baffles me. Bring up India even a lil bit on a canadian online platform and it suddenly turns to a Klan meeting.

I feel like Indians have this Gandhian tendency to turn the other cheek when slapped. Could this be a reason?

Back when i was kid, my mom always told me to stay out of trouble. "Stay out of trouble" was a code word for "if someone bullies or teases you, just go back to drawing(my hobby). If it's more serious, tell the teacher. But at the end, try to avoid it as much as possible.".

I followed her advice for like 80% of the time.

There used to be a time when a person arrived in a new country and had no connection to their home country or community, and that would compel them to assimilate. Vikram Darshan, the red-tilak-wearing Hindu, became "Vicky and Randeep Arora, the turban wearing sikh became "Ron". These two used calling cards to contact their family once a week, but they forfeited the chance to live in their own culture.

It seems like after the advent of the internet, migration and international TV channels, people can continue exactly where they left off. They can continue hearing news in their native language, watch their favourite shows like Tarak Mehta ka Ooltha Chasma minutes after they step off their flight. It also means that people will engage with the politics of their home country despite not being there.

This is something the Italians and Irish never had; they came here, and they had to abandon everything about their home country. It didn't matter what Mussolini did or what the potato famine was doing; they had to start a new life. Erase their identity or face catholic persecution from Protestants for even bringing it up.

Assimilation cannot truly happen in the modern era; what can only happen is integration. People don't seem to get this. It's not easy for people to change their identity to the whims of the majority anymore.

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While I have seen south asian christians in this sub push back against racism against south Asians , have to say that is not the general trend. In black americans most black africans , christianity is used as a sense of identity which gave hope against the coloniser and helped in fighting against the oppressors who came to rule and later claim to be on a civilizing mission and how they were needed . While there are some black africans like this, most use christianity as a tool against the oppressor and a crucial part of their movement in fighting back

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In south asia in the other hand , christianity is a tool in support of the coloniser and have seen one too many use it that way. Rather than aiding in national identity it pushes away from it and aids in growing racism by denying colonial crimes as well as justifying colonial rule by things that never happened. This creates a path that leads to racism and that further creates a path leading to dehumanizstion, disrespect and striping of dignity(claims of saying colonizer gave dignity only strips it away).

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Why this contrast though?

What's the dumbest and most unhinged thing you've ever heard a self-hater say? In your experience, what comment made you think, "Wow, that's completely messed up"?

There we go, another "Why tourists avoid India" video being the reason as to why tourists do not visit India. Starting with half/false information.

One statement this Jimmy guy says is that "it's easy to travel around Bali Thailand etc etc because local taxi apps exist and talking to people is minimal, where as in India it doesn't".

"Easy to travel to Thailand because it's visa free"

"Him confirming to online indian attacks(street food videos) are exactly how street food is served"

"You either get a basic room for 30 euros or pay 800 for luxury"

Honestly, if I were to travel to capitals of any country, I am pretty sure its as worse and more populous like India. Visit Berlin and you see zombies and the U8 train line is famous for its distinctive smell. Visit Paris and you start negotiating with scammers on how much they can scam you. I can go on and on but it's asif it's becoming a trend to say "I hate India". If they want a relaxing holiday they can visit Andaman or Ooty or Shimla but nope. Their research goes like "What places can I visit in India" and conclude with the most basic things. It angers me on how ignorant people can be, especially when you have a responsibility to show your best research. The comments are just disheartening.

I see so much BS online by influencers and even Dr's how south Asian genetics aren't good and how we genetically made for skinny fat, etc. I'm not trying to be rude but do our people ever critically think anything through? You guys ever notice how these negative genetic videos are only ever made on POC, oh black people are more pre disposed to x, Indians to y. I rarely ever see videos like this made on white people. Because this is all pre programmed internalised racism for us as poc.

Its funny how South Asians are genetically predisposed to being skinny fat due to bad diet. The claim is usually bad diet and just look around and see. Most people in the west are also skinny fat or obese. Yet i never once seen a video about how x white race is genetically pre disposed to being fat/overweight.

There's also this large debate about why as Indians and other South Asians we do so bad in sport. Firstly India is very different to the west. In the west if your son or daughter wants to play a sport and they dont make it lifes still good. As in the west a blue collar job or other lower skilled job does not mean street level poverty. Where as India this is not true a low skilled job in India is basically poverty. Thus a reason parents don't encourage kids to do sports.

Another reason is culturally sports aren't seen as that impressive in India unlike the west. In the west saying you graduated from oxford is less impressive then saying you play professional sport. In India its the opposite saying to people your a neet aspirant or IAS officer aspirant, etc is seen as better then being encouraged to play sport.

Another thing is wealth related as well. In the west a large reason people want to become professionals in sport is due to the wealth that comes with it. In India higher level jobs bring this sort of wealth through salary, benefits, and Bribes. Having a government job in india is seen as being very good as its rewarded very good, and the benefits are amazing. As parents weighing it up on paper its easier and less of a risk to aspire and encourage your son or daughter to study then play sports.

In the west this same mentality is brought here but also money plays a big factor to. I wanted to be a f1 driver growing up and even looked in karting but we as a family realized that we couldn't really afford it. This is most likely the case for a lot of first gen migrants. Most our parents also worked manual/lower skilled jobs they encourage education as they know its a solid ticket to a good life. James May from Top Gear use to say the Best Formula 1 Driver is probably washing dishes somewhere. As a lot of sports rely heavily on the parents having money. Even if its just having a stay at home wife to drive the kids to practice. Most of us simply didn't have this growing up.

We dont have bad genetics its just that culturally sports in our culture nowadays isn't seen as something to strive for.

The funny thing is the data that indians are skinny fat comes from a study and they dont test genes. Its literally we looked at our population as most the indians were skinny fat. Theres also that paper which mentions how due to famines they are predisposed to being skinny fat. Bro every fucking civilisation before industrialization suffered through lots of famines.

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This is going to sound like a victim complex, but hear me out.

Indians were expelled from Uganda, and many left Kenya during the 1960s and 1970s amid turmoil times.

Ethnic Chinese in Indonesia faced persecution and discrimination, while those in Malaysia have long lived under policies favoring the majority.

And, of course, Js in Europe faced centuries of discrimination.

Different countries and cultures, but the pattern is hard to ignore: successful minority communities often become convenient scapegoats during times of crisis.

The blatant racism against indians and other South Asians on social media is making it hard for me to be in international spaces. I have seen racism against indians being brushed off by people of other ethnicities and nationalities and even by a few indians themselves. I was wondering if this will ever go away in a few years since the government isn't doing anything to stop this hate. I don't think that they even care. According to me , it's just getting worse on reddit. Ik that some of you may say that it's only on the internet but I am worried that it would transcend into real life hate. We don't even have soft power and we can't utilise our entertainment industry. I am feeling rather helpless rn.

Edit : will it be the same in the next decade?

It doesn't matter whether India is progressing or going through a crisis. People shouldn't be racist regardless. A country doesn't have to be rich or developed for its people to deserve respect and basic human dignity. How wealthy or successful a nation is should never determine whether its people are treated with dignity. Racism isn't justified by a country's economic status or its problems.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

Want to ask this because even when their respective countries, or cultures or ethnic groups face the worst problems of issues, I have yet to see a single person from any other race say things like "wish the coloniser never left" or "south Asians did not evolve enough to become human and other races must abstain from reproducing with us to protect their evolved genes" or " we deserve it(racism)" or " we deserves extermination" . All 4 comments as well as many along these lines unique only to South Asians .(So disturbing at times that people from other races/ethnic groups have made posts calling this out(some not all)).

Have you ever seen this in any other race? If so what was it like?

Have you ever