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Will Canadians ever shut it and leave Indian spaces alone already? Half the time it’s Canadians invading Indian or India-related discussions just to spew racist venom at us. The kind of vile nonsense they say is unreal. Even Australians sometimes seem less extreme in their attitudes toward Indians online.

Harassing us on the internet isn’t going to solve their own problems. And honestly, I’ll always resent how America helped build this overly “polite” image around them .

Rant over

There is a lot to learn from East and Southeast Asians. They have a complicated history with each other, and even today many of these countries are not exactly best friends. But when Asians faced a rise in racism a few years ago, many communities came together to fight Asian hate.

I believe South Asians should do the same. Instead of throwing each other under the bus in foreign countries, we should stand together against racism and discrimination. We also need to stop the constant North vs South Indian divide and realize that outsiders often stereotype all of us the same way anyway.We are all brown smelly people who came to steal their jobs according to racists.

I remember going on the so-called lndia subreddit a while ago and saw a post being pretty insulting to india and its people, with dumb generalizations. It got over 1K upvotes! But i can guarantee on any other sub for a country, if anyone generalizes them, itd be downvoted to oblivion (rightfully so). Why are we like this?

As we know, media like movies, TV shows, and video games are insanely expensive to make. They need huge amounts of money, manpower, and resources, things that are usually only available to big corporations or wealthy elites.

But if you look at countries like Japan, Korea, and China, their soft power didn’t really begin with expensive media. It started with things that were far more accessible: novels and comics.

Japan led the way with manga, and once that industry exploded, they transitioned into anime and eventually games. Korea became globally famous through music (K-pop) and then K-dramas, but it also has a massive manhwa industry (Solo Leveling). China did what China does best, COPY successful ideas at scale, and make them cheaper. Now we have mass-produced slop manhua and donghua, but also some genuinely good works like Reverend Insanity, Lord of the Mysteries, To Be Hero X, and games like Black Myth: Wukong, Gujian, and Sword and Fairy.

The common factor is that all three countries built strong comic and novel industries. Yes, publishers and platforms help, but at the core, writing and drawing are things ordinary people can start doing on their own and put online. The barrier to entry is far lower than filmmaking or game development. And the audience has always been there people love reading.

So the real question is: why doesn’t India have a strong comic or novel culture despite having 1.5 billion people?

We have films, sure, but that shouldn’t be the only creative outlet. Comics and novels are far more accessible to create. If people are tired of the same recycled Bollywood garbage, then be the change you want to see.

It's literally the first and easiest step towards soft power which doesn't even need a lot of investment.

An employment tribunal has ruled partially in favour of Amrit Bansal-McNulty, a half-Indian footballer who was called a 'curry muncher' by ex-manager John Yems. 

Bansal-McNulty sued QPR for failing to safeguard him from the racism he suffered on loan at Crawley Town and is now seeking a £12million payout.

The case has been heard over 30 days at the London Employment Tribunal, where the 26-year-old brought claims of direct race and religious discrimination and harassment against QPR, Crawley Town and Yems.

Three of the claims of harassment on the grounds of race against Yems, 66, were upheld, but the claims against QPR were dismissed.

One of the allegations upheld involved Yems calling Bansal-McNulty a 'curry muncher' and asking if he was unhappy that pizzas given by a sponsor did not include ‘curry pizza’.

The tribunal said Yems argued that his remarks were 'banter'.  

In summary of the case, the tribunal stated: 'We found that Crawley Town was vicariously liable for his conduct which was in the course of his employment. The claims against QPR failed.

'The Claimant is seeking circa £12 million compensation as he claims that he suffered psychiatric, and career ending, injury because of the treatment which he had suffered.

'It would be inappropriate to comment on the implications of the liability judgment given the likelihood of a remedy hearing.'

Bansal-McNulty, who joined QPR in 2014 aged 14 and left in 2022 without playing for the first team, had accused the club and then-manager Chris Ramsey of failing to act on his racism complaint while on loan from his parent club. Both Ramsey and QPR denied wrongdoing.

Crawley suspended Yems after allegations of racist behaviour were made by several squad members in April 2022, which led to him being charged by the FA for using discriminatory language.

Yems denied all but one of the charges, but 11 out of the 15 were upheld by the FA disciplinary commission.

He was given the longest ever ban for discrimination in English football when an initial 17-month suspension was extended to three years following an FA appeal.

Ramsey phoned Bansal-McNulty that day, reported Matt Hughes at the time.

The player alleges Ramsey was preoccupied by attempting to ascertain whether he had leaked the story in a line of questioning he found to be intimidating, as well as reminding him that his contract was due to expire two months later.

Bansal-McNulty’s deal was not renewed and he has not played professionally since.

In an unrelated development after the accusations were made, Ramsey, who was previously awarded an MBE for services to diversity in sport, left his role as technical director after nine years at Loftus Road following a review of the club’s academy structure.

In its final observations, the tribunal noted: 'Unfortunately there are no real winners in this case. Whilst the Claimant has been partially successful in his claims against Mr Yems, and vicariously Crawley Town, his claims against QPR have failed.

'Mr Yems has not, and realistically was never going to, obtain the exoneration of his conduct and character he was seeking.'

I recently read Sagan's 'Pale Blue Dot' and really loved this pargraph. Sagan was quite ahead of his time and truly believed and propagated ideas against misogyny, racism, xenophobia and jingoism especially amongst white Americans. I especially love the last line, which I think is so true for our people, and something the "sepoys" fail to understand.

"It almost never feels like prejudice. Instead, it seems fitting and just - the idea that because of an accident of birth, our group (whichever one it is) should have a central position in the social universe. Among Pharaonic princelings and Plantagenet pretenders, children of robber barons and Central Committee bureaucrats, street gangs and conquerors of nations, members of confident majorities, obscure sects and reviled minorities, this self-serving attitude seems as natural as breathing. It draws sustenance from the same psychic wellsprings as sexism, racism, nationalism, and the other deadly chauvinisms that plague our species. Uncommon strength of character is needed to resist the blandishments of those who assure us that we have an obvious -- even God-given -- superiority over our fellows. The more precarious our self-esteem, the greater our vulnerability to such appeals."

Never sympathize with people who are blatantly racist toward Indians. I remember seeing a Sri Lankan commenter saying racism against us is increasing “because of SAs by Indian men.” Imagine blaming an entire ethnicity for racism directed at them instead of calling out the racists themselves.

And when people call all Indians “uncivilized” or label an entire ethnicity grapists, that’s not constructive criticism, that’s racism. Criticizing real social problems is one thing, but dehumanizing over 1.4 billion people and treating an entire group like criminals is straight-up racist behavior.

For the people who don't know, the main lead from Wuthering Heights a very famous English novel is supposed to be a Lascar (British Indian sailor) or a descendant of Lascars. But guess what they did? they made him a white guy and no one is talking about it. When they race swapped The Little Mermaid to Black which doesn't even make sense considering Mermaids/Sirens are mythical creatures and they can't be assigned a race so them white or black doesn't matter, all the people were outraged because mermaids are supposedly "white" and crying diversity, etc.

What are your thoughts? I for one think it was done on purpose to keep South Asian men down.

The whole ‘Indians deserve racism because of caste’ argument makes no sense. Caste discrimination is absolutely real, and even though the gov abolished caste-based discrimination and system India has had affirmative action policies for decades, the problem still exists in society. But by that logic, do Arabs or Brazilians ‘deserve’ racism because slavery existed there? Of course not. Holding ordinary people collectively responsible to justify racism is ridiculous.

I remember when Zarna Garg came out as a supporter of the orange buffoon, and suddenly the whole conversation turned into, ‘Is this because of caste?’ WTF. At this point, some people can’t think beyond caste whenever India is mentioned. They’re just running out of excuses to be racist toward us.

Starting today, we will not be allowing: Random screenshots, racist memes, cross posts from subreddits where the comments are being racist.

All of the above is to be redirected to r/RacismAgainstIndians

r/RacismAgainstIndians will be used to document ONLINE racism and the normalization of it. Feel free to post whatever rage bait you want as long it doesn't break any of Reddit's TOS. For the first few months we will allow you to post there then cross post it here so r/RacismAgainstIndians gains a bit of traction and becomes a subreddit of it's own with it's own objective.

The same way r/Indophobia will be used to document REAL LIFE cases and Hate CRIMES. Again, feel free to post whatever, no matter how old. Same as a r/RacismAgainstIndians we will allow a few months of cross posts from r/Indophobia till it becomes a subreddit of it's own.

I repeat we will only allow cross posts from these two subreddits.

Apart from that, this subreddit will be mainly focused on DISCUSSION & THINK TANKS. We are trying to be more solution oriented.

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