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my opinion on the debate of god

hi guys im new to this subreddit. I just came here to postulate the idea that maybe our current interpretations of god are flawed and maybe none of the current religions we have are truly right. That being said, i don't know what interpretation of god is right either. Maybe one day we will have a better idea of god,be it through science or scripture. Christianity,Islam,Buddhism,Hinduism, all of these religions have their own interpretation of god and arguments for and against why they should be the one true religion. Maybe god lies within all of them, or maybe none of them and we have yet to truly discover god. But i think that treating our current interpretation of scripture as the one true word of god limits limits our understanding. We should all think critically about scripture and seek to enlighten ourselves and get closer to god based on our personal idea of god.

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u/Winter-Walk-7068 — 11 hours ago
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I asked Google AI what would the size, speed & weight of an asteroid hitting Earth need to be to do the damage in Revelation 6:14 & 16:20 & how long would the asteroid take to get rid of the mountains? I believe the Freemasons knew that Donald Trump would be President during these events.

There is a prominent theory among certain biblical scholars and authors that asteroid impacts could be the literal cause of the global upheavals described in Revelation 6:14 and Revelation 16:20.

• Tectonic Displacement: A large asteroid impact would be capable of shifting Earth's plates with such force that "every mountain and island" would be moved from its place (as in 6:14).

• The "Scroll" Effect: The description in 6:14 of the sky receding like a "scroll being rolled up" is sometimes interpreted as the visual effect of a massive cloud of dust, smoke, or a shockwave from a large impact rapidly moving across the sky.

• Sequential or Identical Events: Some scholars argue that the "great earthquake" of the Sixth Seal (6:12–14) is a preview or the same literal event as the "Seventh Bowl" (16:20), where the topography is permanently leveled.

Because both verses describe the unprecedented movement or disappearance of all mountains and all islands, theorists often view them as describing either the same catastrophic event or two phases of a singular asteroid-triggered disaster.

Prophecy proponents, such as author Thomas Horn, often link these verses to a "tectonic disaster level" event. The core arguments for this theory include:

Theologians who view these passages & take a literalist or "catastrophist" view argue that a space-object impact is the most scientifically plausible way to physically move all mountains and islands.

There are about 2,500 prophecies in the Holy Bible. About 2,000 prophecies in the Holy Bible (God's Word) have already been fulfilled by God.

This post is long, but extremely important.

Revelation 6:14 Amplified The sky was split [separated from the land] and rolled up like a scroll, and every mountain and island was dislodged and moved out of their places.

Revelation 16:20 Amplified Then every island fled away, and no mountains could be found.

Christians ✝️ are protected from the wrath of God.

Proverbs 3:25-26 Amplified Do not be afraid of sudden fear nor of the storm of the wicked when it comes [since you will be blameless]; For the Lord will be your confidence, firm and strong, And will keep your foot from being caught [in a trap].

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 Amplified For they themselves report about us, telling what kind of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to [look forward and confidently] wait for [the coming of] His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus, who [personally] rescues us from the coming wrath [and draws us to Himself, granting us all the privileges and rewards of a new life with Him].

Revelation 3:10 Amplified Because you have kept the word of My endurance [My command to persevere], I will keep you [safe] from the hour of trial, that hour which is about to come on the whole [inhabited] world, to test those who live on the earth.

While the name "Wormwood" appears specifically in Revelation 8:11, many scholars link it to other judgments in the book that describe similar celestial impacts.

• Sequential Impacts: A common interpretation suggests that the 2nd Trumpet (a "great mountain" hitting the sea) and the 3rd Trumpet (Wormwood hitting fresh water) represent two distinct asteroids or fragments of a single object striking the planet at different times.

• The 4-Year Timeline: Within the traditional seven-year Tribulation period, these judgments are often viewed as sequential. If the first impact occurs early in the period (Rev 6 or early Rev 8) and a subsequent impact happens near the end (linked to the "bowls" in Rev 16), they could easily be separated by 3.5 to 4 years.

• Astronomical Fragmentation: Some theorists argue that "Wormwood" could be a large asteroid that fragments as it approaches Earth, with different pieces impacting years apart during its orbital cycle.

Wormwood could be 2 enormous asteroids that devestates Earth 4 years apart. Similar to what the Freemason satanic Illuminati witches have shown us in the predictive programming movies: Armageddon (June 30, 1998), Deep Impact (May 8, 1998) & Dont Look Up (December 24, 2021).

According to Revelation 6:14 & 16:20, the apocalyptic damage that God is going to do to Earth is far worse than the predictive programming movies named above & in the movies Greenland (December 18, 2020) & 2012 (November 13, 2009).

In the movie 2012, created by the Freemason satanic Illuminati witches, the Mayans predicted that the world would end on December 21, 2012.

12/21/2012 12+21+2+12 =47 The Freemason satanic Illuminati witches know that the world will end when Donald Trump is the 47th president, because Wormwood is the Apophis asteroid that is going to do the Apocalyptic damage in Revelation 6:14 & 16:20. NASA said Apophis would hit Earth on Friday, April 13, 2029. The Freemason/Illuminati witches also know that Donald Trump is the Antichrist from Revelation 13. See the links in the comments for posts that give a lot of reasons that Donald Trump is the Antichrist. There's one link that shows 60 years of predictive programming about Donald Trump. Its more proof that the Freemason satanic Illuminati knew that Donald Trump would be President during the Tribulation - The Apocalypse - Jacob's Trouble - The wrath of God.

If Wormwood is 2 asteroids, the first asteroid will hit Earth so hard that all islands & mountains are moved out of place, as God warns us in Revelation 6:14 above. That is the Apophis asteroid & it will hit Earth on Friday, April 13, 2029 according to NASA's original statement, which they did not change, for almost 17 years.

The second asteroid is massively larger, since it's going to make every city fall, get remove every island & flatten every mountain, as God warns us in Revelation 16:20.

The Revelation 16:20 asteroid probably destroys Earth on Sunday, 4/3/2033, since that's the 2,000th anniversary of Lord Jesus Christ's crucifixion.

In Hosea 6:2 God tells us: After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up That we may live before Him.

In 2 Peter 3:8 God tells us Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like one day.

Lord Jesus Christ died on 4/3/33. 2 days to God is 2,000 years, so 2 days later would be 4/3/2033.

Lord Jesus Christ is God, The Son of God & The Word of God. Lord Jesus Christ will begin his 1,000 year reign on Earth on 4/3/2033.

God tells us in Ezekiel 20:33 As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “most certainly with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out, I shall be King over you.

Revelation 8:6-12 says a third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up, a third of the sea became blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, a third of the ships were destroyed, a third of the rivers and springs of water become poisoned by Wormwood, & a third of the light from the sun, moon & stars was blocked out.

God gave Tom Horn a vision about Pope Benedict retiring before it was announced & about the Wormwood asteroid being the Apophis asteroid. Look up The Wormwood Prophecy by Tom Horn on YouTube.

The 80th anniversary of Israel is May 14, 2028. The Apophis asteroid (Wormwood asteroid from Revelation 6 & 8) will likely hit Earth 333 days after the 80th anniversary of Israel. That's extremely important. NASA originally said that Apophis would hit Earth on April 13, 2029. They changed their statement 16 yrs & 9 months later. 1 hour & 33 minutes into the movie Greenland, the lady on the radio reads Revelation 8:11. She says the name of the star is Wormwood. The movie Don't Look Up shows the Trump & Elon Musk characters leaving in a rocket just before the asteroid strikes Earth. Elon Musk plans to take people to Mars in 2029. The Apophis asteroid was scheduled to impact Earth on April 13, 2029. It is Wormwood. It is part of the 7th trumpet of God's wrath from Revelation. Yom Hashoah (Holocaust Remembrance Day) is listed for April 13-14. Gods's wrath - Tribulation - The Apocalypse - Jacob's Trouble is 2026-2033. The last day is 4/3/2033. Lord Jesus Christ died at 33 years old. Proverbs 3:33 The curse of the LORD is on the house of the wicked, but He blesses the home of the righteous.

The Freemason satanic Illuminati witches at NASA are most likely lyng about the size, weight & speed of the Apophis asteroid (Wormwood). They probably have the date right, since the Freemasons/Illuminati have hyped up Friday the 13th in media over many years. For almost 17 years NASA said that the Apophis asteroid was going to hit Earth on Friday, 4/13/2029. They changed their minds & are likely lying, like the government in Don't Look Up, to prevent chaos.

Here is the first question that I asked Google AI along with the results:

Hypothetically, how heavy, how wide, and how fast would an asteroid have to be to cause the damage in Revelation 6:14?

The Google AI response was: To cause the damage described in Revelation 6:14, where the "sky vanished like a scroll" and "every mountain and island was removed from its place," an asteroid would need to be of a scale that literally reshapes the Earth's crust.

Hypothetically, an asteroid with the following characteristics could match such a global catastrophe:

  1. Width: At least 10–15 km (6–9 miles)

• 1–2 km wide: Triggers worldwide disturbances and mass extinctions but likely wouldn't move every mountain.

• 10–15 km wide: Creates massive shock waves that trigger global earthquakes and can pulverize rock layers, potentially causing the tectonic-level shifts required to "remove" mountains and islands.

• 100 km wide (62.137 miles): Would be required to completely "wipe out" the Earth’s surface features globally.

  1. Speed: ~17–20 km/s (approx. 38,000–45,000 mph)

Asteroids typically strike Earth at an average speed of 17 km/s.

• Impact Energy: Speed is more critical than mass for damage; doubling the speed quadruples the kinetic energy.

• Atmospheric "Scroll" Effect: At these speeds, a large asteroid would instantly vaporize upon impact, transforming into a superheated gas that expands into a massive plasma cloud. This could visually mimic a "sky receding like a scroll" as the atmosphere is literally displaced and ignited by the heat.

  1. Weight/Mass: ~1–4 trillion metric tons For a 10 km asteroid with a typical density, the mass would be roughly 1 trillion metric tons.

• An impact of this magnitude releases energy equivalent to roughly 100 million megatons of TNT.

• Such energy is sufficient to turn rock to liquid and cause the Earth's crust to "flow like water," which could result in the displacement of entire landmasses.

1 trillion metric tons = 2,204,622,620,000,000 pounds or 2.2 quadrillion pounds.

What weighs 2.2 quadrillion pounds?

Finding single objects that weigh exactly 2.2 quadrillion pounds is rare, as this is an immense scale—roughly the weight of one trillion metric tons (a teratonne).

To put that number in perspective, here are a few comparisons of things that reach or exceed that mass:

• The Global "Anthropogenic Mass" As of 2020, the total weight of everything humans have ever built—including all concrete, metal, plastic, and asphalt—reached approximately 1.1 trillion metric tons (about 2.4 quadrillion pounds). This "human-made" mass is now roughly equal to the weight of all living biomass on Earth.

• Global Biomass: The total weight of all life on Earth (plants, animals, bacteria, etc.) is estimated to be roughly 1.1 trillion metric tons, almost exactly the 2.2 quadrillion pounds you identified.

• Humanity: It would take approximately 2,000 times the weight of every human being currently alive to reach 2.2 quadrillion pounds.

• A Cubic Kilometer of Water: Weighs about 1 gigatonne (2.2 billion pounds). To get to 2.2 quadrillion pounds, you would need 1,000 cubic kilometers of water—roughly the volume of Lake Erie.

According to Google AI the asteroid that causes the devastating effects of Revelation 6:14, must be at least 6–9 miles across, be traveling towards Earth at 38,000–45,000 mph, & weigh roughly 1 trillion metric tons (2.2 quadrillion pounds). God has warned us.

Asteroid Size vs. Damage

Diameter Impact Energy (Approx.) Potential Effect matching Revelation 6:14

50 meters 7.5 Megatons Localized city-wide destruction.

1 kilometer 100,000 MegatonsGlobal climate shifts; some tectonic shifting.

10 kilometers100 Million MegatonsGlobal earthquakes; islands/mountains moved.

100 kilometers Massive / UndeterminedTotal erasure of current Earth geography.

Revelation 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 

Revelation 16:20 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found.

Here is the 2nd question that I asked Google AI along with the results:

Hypothetically how much would an asteroid have to weigh, how fast would it have to be going, and how wide across would it be to cause the damage in Revelation 16:20?

The Google AI response was: To achieve the level of destruction described in Revelation 16:20—where every island vanishes and mountains are leveled the following size, weight & speed are required:

  1. Estimated Width (Diameter) • The Threshold: An asteroid roughly 60 miles (97 kilometers) wide is estimated by scientists at NASA to be large enough to potentially sterilize the planet and boil the oceans.

  2. Required Speed (Velocity) • Maximum Orbital Speed: Most asteroids hit Earth at speeds between roughly 25,000 to 56,000 mph (11 and 25 km/s).

• Impact Force: For the level of topographical erasure in Revelation 16:20, a speed on the higher end of this range—56,000 mph (25 km/s) or more—would be necessary to maximize the global seismic shockwaves needed to "level" all mountains. 

  1. Estimated Weight (Mass) • Planetary Disruption: To achieve global topographical changes, the asteroid's mass would need to be astronomical. Using the 60-mile width estimate and a typical asteroid density, it would weigh roughly billions of tons.

• Hypothetical Limit: Scientific discussions on "shattering" or fundamentally altering the Earth's crust suggest an object would need to be roughly one-sixth the mass (weight) of the moon to deliver energy sufficient to break apart the planet's surface structure. 

How many tons is 1/6 the mass/weight of the Moon?

One-sixth of the mass of the Moon is approximately 13.5 quintillion tons or 27 sextillion pounds.

• Mass in Metric Tons: approximately 12,246,000,000,000,000,000 (12.2 quintillion) tons • Mass in US (Short) Tons: approximately 13,500,000,000,000,000,000 (13.5 quintillion) tons • Mass in Pounds: approximately 26,998,000,000,000,000,000,000 (27 sextillion) lbs

For further context, the mass of the Moon is about 1.2% of Earth's total mass. This specific fraction—one-sixth—is also notable because the Moon's surface gravity is approximately one-sixth of Earth's gravity.

According to Google AI the asteroid that causes the Apocalyptic effects of Revelation 16:20, must be at least 60 miles (97 kilometers) wide, be traveling towards Earth at 56,000 mph (25 km/s) or more, & would need to be roughly one-sixth the weight of the moon (approximately 13.5 quintillion tons or 27 sextillion pounds). God has warned us.

Here is the 3rd question that I asked Google AI along with the results:

Hypothetically, if an asteroid hit Earth and caused the damage of Revelation 16:20, how long would it take to get rid of the mountains?

The Google AI response was: Hypothetically, the "leveling" of mountains described in Revelation 16:20 would happen almost instantaneously—within roughly 20 to 50 minutes of the impact—driven by massive seismic shockwaves traveling through the Earth's crust.

  1. Seismic Shockwaves (The "Levelling" Event) When an asteroid of the scale discussed (60 miles wide) hits, it generates intense seismic waves (P-waves and S-waves).

• Speed: These waves travel at roughly 3 to 6 miles per second (5–10 km/s).

• Timeline: It would take approximately 20 minutes for the primary shockwave to pass through the Earth's core to the opposite side and about 50 minutes for surface waves to encircle the entire globe.

• Effect: For an impact this powerful, the magnitude of the earthquake would likely exceed 12.0 on the Richter scale—far beyond anything ever recorded. This would trigger every major fault line simultaneously, causing mountains to collapse through massive, global landslides.

  1. Atmospheric Shockwave and Thermal Pulse While the seismic waves level the land, an atmospheric shockwave would follow:

• Speed: This wave travels at the speed of sound, taking about 16 to 32 hours to travel around the world.

• Thermal Radiation: Within minutes of impact, a thermal pulse would ignite everything within a ~700 to 1,100 mile radius, effectively "erasing" the landscape before the physical shockwave even arrives.

  1. Long-Term Geological Changes While the mountains would "flee" or collapse in under an hour, the permanent geological disappearance mentioned in the text involves more than just falling rocks:

• Crustal Liquefaction: An impact of this magnitude (1/6 the mass of the Moon) could deliver enough energy to liquefy or vaporize large sections of the Earth's crust.

• Oceanic Flooding: With the islands "vanishing," massive tsunamis (potentially kilometers high) would wash over entire continents, further eroding and flattening the remains of mountain ranges within the first 24 to 48 hours.

Summary Timeline Event Time After Impact

Thermal Pulse Seconds to Minutes Landscape is incinerated in a massive radius.

Seismic Wave 20–50 Minutes Global earthquakes collapse mountain structures.

Atmospheric Blast ~16 Hours Shockwaves flatten any remaining standing structures.

Global Tsunamis 24–48 Hours Islands are submerged or physically eroded away.

Here is what I do to improve my day each day & it all makes my life better: Living for Lord Jesus Christ. Talking to God throughout the day. Praising Lord Jesus Christ throughout the day. Studying the Holy Bible, daily, especially the New Testament. Studying the gotquestions app. Being obedient to God. Being eager to learn from God. Praying about everything daily. Praying for everybody, especially for them to accept Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord, God & Savior. Giving godly advice online daily. Preaching repentance daily. Exposing evil online daily, as God tells us to do. Preaching the gospel of Lord Jesus Christ daily. Guarding my eyes, ears & heart from sinful words & behavior on digital media. Warning people online that God is going to pour out his wrath in these final 7 years in order to bring as many people as possible to repentance & faith in Lord Jesus Christ for salvation & eternal life with God the Creator of the Heavens & the Earth. Remember that Christians suffer for Christ & get rewarded by God for it. Remembering that everything is a test of our faith in God & God's word, love for God & people, & obedience to God & God's word. Knowing that God is always in control. Remembering that people are influenced by God & evil spirits (fallen angels & demons) & trying to do what God wants me to do (W.W.J.D.). Remembering to be loving & walk in God's love. Remembering the golden rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you). Trusting God's will, word & timing. Knowing that God always knows best. Leaning on God throughout each day & not my own understanding. Rejoicing in the Lord each day. Being grateful & thankful to God daily. 

I posted this, hoping to encourage others to do the same as me, so that by choosing God & God's wisdom from the Holy Bible, daily, it would help them have a better life & help get them through these last 7 years of the Tribulation, the Apocalypse, Jacob's Trouble, God's wrath. The years 2026-2033 are the last 7 years. All Christians are holy saints & God's children in God's eyes, & go through the sanctification process. Faith in Lord Jesus Christ for salvation comes from hearing the word of Christ. That includes reading it. Studying the Holy Bible & a close relationship with God are essential for these last 7 years. The gotquestions app helps tremendously. I highly recommend it or gotquestions.org for 1,000's of answers to Bible & end of the world questions. Fellow Christians, remember to flee lust & guard your heart. God knows what we're all going through. God is teaching us how to love & be obedient to God & his word. The teacher is always quiet during the test. God will get us through our lives. Leaning on God throughout each day is essential. God bless you. Remember to stay pure, sober, bold, meek, respectful, kind & humble. God bless you. Bless others with love. ❤️ ✝️ Study & share this. 🙏 

Aliens & ghosts are always CGI, AI demons or fallen angels. It's how the Illuminati plan on explaining the missing Christians after the rapture. Study God's word daily. Keep repenting and pray about everything in Jesus' name. Trust God's perfect will, word and timing. The fallen angels control all A.I. It's image of the Beast technology from Revelation 13. It controls & manipulates all digital media worldwide on every phone/TV/car/stereo/alarm/messaging service/app/etc. All digital images & voices/movies/music/videos are now controlled by fallen angels to control us daily!! It's like the AI in the Eagle Eye, Mission Impossible Dead/Final Reckoning & Terminator (predictive programming). Research predictive programming. Artificial Intelligence (AI) was created by Freemason satanic Illuminati witches, with the help of fallen angels.

Donald Trump is the Antichrist. 

Revelation 13:18 The number of the Beast is 666. Donald = 119 in gematria Trump = 88 in gematria Donald-Trump is like 119-88. 666 × (6+6+6) = 11988.

Donald John Trump is דונלד ג'ון טראמפ in standard Hebrew, which is 483 in standard Hebrew Gematria, 123 in ordinal Gematria, and 60 in reduction form Gematria, adding 483+123+60=666.

Elon Reeve Musk is אילון ריב מאסק in Hebrew Gematria, 510 in standard Hebrew Gematria, 123 in ordinal form, Gematria and 33 in reduction form Gematria, adding 510+123+33=666.

Elon Musk is the False Prophet.

Elon Musk's Neuralink will be part of the Mark of the Beast. Neuralink in Greek Gematria is 666.

Donald Trump is the 45th & 47th President. 4+5=9 4+7=11 9/11

Revelation 9:11 They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss (the bottomless pit); in Hebrew his name is Abaddon (destruction), and in Greek he is called Apollyon (destroyer-king).

9/11/2026 could be the rapture. It's the last day of the 70th Jubilee Year of the Jewish people. 3,430 days since they first entered the Promised Land of Israel.

See the comment section for links to posts & a video about the Apophis asteroid.

u/tony4jc — 1 day ago
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Universal Salvation?

I am curious as to thoughts about Robert Barclays’s proposition 5: universal salvation.

GOD, out of his infinite love, who delighteth not in the death of a sinner, but that all should live and be saved,a hath so loved the world, that he hath given his only Son a Light, that whosoever believeth in him shall be saved (John 3:16), "who enlighteneth EVERY man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9), and "maketh manifest all things that are reprovable" (Eph. 5:13), and teacheth all temperance, righteousness, and godliness; and this Light enlighteneth the hearts of all in a day, in order to salvation; and this is it which reproves the sin of all individuals, and would work out the salvation of all, if not resisted. Nor is it less universal than the seed of sin, being the purchase of his death, "who tasted death for every man: for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive" (1 Cor. 15:22).

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u/Informal_Lynx2751 — 22 hours ago

Do Miracles Have to Be Supernatural?

I recently started researching miracles. I was surprised that Moses broke the sea into 2 and when I researched it, I learned that this could actually be experienced theoretically, and even there were examples in Canada and the United States. (The lakes are divided by 2 in the middle by fast, steep winds, and their base is dry thanks to the wind). I saw the expression of wind blowing through the night in the torah which in fact fits the concept of fast wind that goes on during the night which science has spoken of in the same way the base is mentioned in the Qur'an that the base is dry.

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u/WatchIndependent9901 — 19 hours ago

Is the possibility that the God actually hates being worshipped, negligible?

This, assuming that no revealed scripture is to be trusted on this matter.

I was thinking it's quite conceivable that He is disgusted at being worshipped.

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u/Exciting_Ad_6837 — 1 day ago
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First Monotheistic Religion

In my research to discover the origins of god I found out that Akhenaten, an Egyptian Pharaoh invented a short lived first monotheistic religion called Atenism, the belief that the sun disk is the one god.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Akhenaten

https://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/people/the-aten.htm

I have failed to study Ahura Mazda and the Persian view of god, which being in close to second oldest is rarely experienced in the modern world like you see in Kemetic.

Is my research somehow flawed?

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u/Targnome — 1 day ago
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Logical Formulas of the Wondrous Mysteries in the Catholic Faith

Peace to all,

As a OMNiLogicalGod mystic, rationally, God wants a Body becoming again from the Spirit through the created flesh becoming in One Body becoming fulfilled from the spirit through the life loving only and loving with only the most love becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

OMNiLogicalGod is from the Faith of Abraham, were Saint Paul sees the Light of Faith on the Road to Damascus, Stephen Andrew delivers the Logical Mind of the Family of God the Faithful Catholics to be able to see God as The Holy Spirit Family One God in being, rationally and logically, from the Faith of Abraham.

Rationally and finitely understood, logic preexists in energy manifesting through transformation becoming through light energy becoming transformed light mass flashing becoming space and time through the Big Bang for Creation.

Baptism and The Eucharist, becomes Catholic rebirth and salvation for One Family for all becoming again in One God in being.

There are logically two sacraments becoming from death through life from Baptism through The Eucharist, rebirth and salvation becomes unites in the Christ from the cross fro all through the Blood of The Family of God from the Living waters becoming again for all Creation in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Starting with Baptism, transformation is from a united failed Body From Adam and Eve, becoming immortality and "Rebirth" through the living waters. Sanctification becomes from the Powers through flesh becoming transformed from the living waters for the created soul to be able to become from death through resurrection becoming brothers and sister for all forgiven from mortality becoming immortality for all through the New Eve.

The Eucharist is Salvation for Jesus through Mary becoming Virgin Born united through immaculate immortality from spirit incorruption becoming One Body united "In The Christ" becoming from Sacrifice through Penance becoming forgiven for the Spirit from the Powers of the Holy Spirit becoming from incorruption through the immortal flesh for the souls becoming Glorified becoming Sons and Daughters of God becoming again for all Creation Transfigured in One Holy Spirit Family One God in being.

Peace always,
Stephen Andrew

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The word "antichrist" appears in only 4 verses in the entire Bible, and it's not in Revelation

I've been researching the historical development of the antichrist concept for a video, and the actual textual picture is a lot more interesting than the popular one.

The term itself only occurs in the Johannine epistles, four times total. It's absent from Revelation, from 2 Thessalonians, and from Daniel, texts that are commonly assumed to be "about" the antichrist. What we now think of as a single unified figure is actually a later synthesis of at least four distinct traditions: John's "antichrist" (a category of false teachers already present, not a future individual), Paul's "man of lawlessness," the Beast of Revelation, and Daniel's "little horn." These come from different authors, different centuries, and arguably different theological concerns, and nothing in the texts themselves merges them.

The patristic sources are also more divided than commonly assumed. Polycarp treats it as a present spiritual category (essentially, heresy itself), while later figures like Irenaeus and Hippolytus expect a future individual. There's no single "early church position."

I also traced the popular modern conception (a world-dictator figure tied to a pretribulation rapture and seven-year tribulation) to 19th-century dispensationalism, specifically John Nelson Darby in the 1830s, popularized through the Scofield Reference Bible and later fiction. That timeline is worth knowing since it's often presented as the historic Christian view when it's a fairly recent theological innovation.

Video here if you want the fuller treatment with sourcing: [ https://youtu.be/XLrxFr917GE ]

Genuinely interested in pushback on the patristic reading in particular, that part is the least settled.

u/dnag7 — 2 days ago

A catholic question about the Sacrament of Reconciliation

I often hear talk about confessions. I wonder if a single confession can be rendered invalid simply by concealing a mortal sin and nothing else. And what about lying regarding venial or doubtful sins (the two categories that do not require confession) or even going so far as to invent sins (i dont mean mortal ones, but like venial or doubtful sins)?

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u/byf4ith — 2 days ago

The Word of God

Growing up, it wasn't out of place or unusual to refer to the bible as the Word of God or God's Word. But now after deconstructing from fundamentalist beliefs, it's beginning to strike me as actually quite odd. I do have the opinion that viewing the bible as inerrant and infallible seems to lead to what I'd call idolatry, and the use of this phrase "Word of God" seems like an indication of that.

Apparently, it started with writing of reformers, who would respond to criticism with scripture and bolster their scriptural arguments by saying "according to the Word of God."

Yet, to me, this seems like misdirected faith. They are using the written "Word of God" as their compass, not the living Word of God, Christ.

Scripture is inspired by God, not written by God. While Christ is God, and is the Word of God. Scripture points us to the spirit of Christ, and it is Christ that we profess to follow. It's just interesting/sad how history unravels and how perspectives change and evolve, for better or worse.

In the gospels and Paul's writings, following the religious traditions just for the sake of it was condemned. Following the letter of laws was seen as futile. Jesus and Paul taught people to follow the 'spirit' behind the laws and traditions. It seems some traditions of christianity have forgotten that, and have replaced old laws and traditions with new ones

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u/PineappleFlavoredGum — 2 days ago

The origin of evil

This problem has probably been explained through the Christian perspective for a very long time, but I would love for someone to sit me through this discussion and enable me to understand how evil came to be.

So I was reading this paper from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy talking about value; and particularly intrinsic value. As the paper described, intrinsic value, and intrinsic goodness by extension, is value that is non-derived. This is to mean that when you look into an attribute, or a property, of value within a subject; said value is used to explain the value systems of properties within other objects. Otherwise, the value becomes extrinsic, or derived from an object whose attribute/property of value is non-derived. To bridge this understanding into this discussion, I am considering the author of good, and the author of evil.

Naturally, God is determined as the owner of intrinsic good; where the intrinsicness comes from His uncreatable state, while His goodness is as described in [Bible verse]. And God, or the triune divinities of God for that matter, created all the angels and all there is in heaven, and eventually earth. The issue arises where Satan is described as the author of evil. My understanding dictates that he was originally a fallen angel that took with him a third of other angels as demons under his command; upon orchestrating a rebellion against God. But then we acknowledge that Satan, who was once an angel, was also created by God. How, then, does it follow that Satan is the origin of evil?

As evil is the opposite of good, the opposite of intrinsic good is intrinsic evil, right? And something created has a value system derived from a higher power, meaning that intrinsic evil is also… derived from a non-derived source?? I fail to follow…

Alternatively, it can be argued that angels weren’t created. So this version of the argument could be extrapolated to the fact that as angels and God are both uncreated, they have similar versions of intrinsic good and/or intrinsic evil. How, then, do these spiritual entities maintain a prismatic heavenly authority?

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u/NightRunnerAfterDusk — 2 days ago
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when people sacrifice to false gods how are their wishes fulfilled?

Hello, this is a question I’ve had for a very long time, especially since the Epstein Files came out. People are talking about how all the celebrities are sacrificing children to gods for fame, or people sell their souls to get rich.

In the Bible it says that the gods the Amalekites and Ammonites worshiped were false gods that they created. Baal worship is what everyone says these celebrities were doing, but since Baal isn’t real how are they able to get money, fame and power?

Is it that these false gods are under Satan and basically are allowed to operate like demons (under God’s control and permission) to those who invite them into their lives?

I’d really like to keep looking into this if anyone also has videos or books to recommend to me!

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u/nattyice_22 — 3 days ago

Any Masturbation References in Bible?

Hello, the title says it all. Sorry if it's a bit random but after reading a random thread on the Christianity subreddit, I'm left wondering.

It said the Bible never actually mentioned masturbation, and while it did contain references to lust, it's a little more complicated than that.

Feel free to answer how you want, I'm open to any wisdom on this topic.

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u/Ok-Being-1329 — 4 days ago
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Jesus Died To Atone For the Patriarchal Crimes Against Humanity and particularly Women

Credit, this argument comes from Mary Y. Ayer’s amazing book “Masculine Shame: From the Succubus to the Eternal Feminine”.

First at the outset let me say I do believe in the reality of the Divine, without any doubt in my mind at all. This argument applies to how the Divine was refracted (aka twisted) by Bronze Age Patriarchal societies such as Israel of the Old Testament in what they wrote and in rules they created. I don’t believe the Divine herself ever does anything evil. The evil things commanded in the Old Testament were a projection of the evil of the Bronze Age War society onto the Divine and were more a reflection of those societies than anything the Divine commanded.

With that said there is good in there too and there is still contact with the true Divine, but there is plenty that is not such as the genocide of the Canaanites

I believe Jesus came to die to atone for the crimes of Yahweh of the Old Testament and other patriarchal religions (but most especially and specifically Yahweh). It is victim blaming to put the onus first and foremost on us as sinners, and I don’t believe that’s the true meaning. In the early centuries there was much debate about where the true significance of Jesus crucifixion lay, but what everyone agreed was the significance. The atonement for individual sin theory came much later and in my view is a distortion to change the message back into a top down deity pointing the finger at humanity, his own creation.

To the contrary, I believe Jesus came as a human man to accept responsibility for all the crimes and shame for what the patriarchal Yahweh and other male war gods had done, and had denied by projecting their responsibility onto their own people. Jesus is the son of Yahweh, the incarnation of Yahweh, and his submission to torture and death is Yahweh taking responsibility for his own crimes andactions and thus discharging them. That is why going forward humanity is freed, because before there was no one to resolve the contradictions. Jesus resolves the contradictions.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that, with many steps back along the way, the treatment of women begins to improve after this.

u/Annual-Coffee7265 — 3 days ago

Any Good Online Theology Courses?

Hello everyone. I've been checking out the bible project's reading the Hebrew bible class and I'm hooked 14 sessions in. I wanted to ask if anyone could share any good theology courses online, whether free or paid please.

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u/RandomLebanesePerson — 3 days ago

Confusion on Salvation Theology

Hey guys I am a Eastern Catholic and Apostolic Church Inquirer from a evangelical / non denominational background. I am fully convinced of Apostolic Christianity and will convert soon but I have a couple questions about salvation. Basically I had certain Protestant presuppositions about salvation that I want to clear up by learning what Catholicism Orthodoxy etc teaches about Salvation. I have tried understanding but all the predestination grace and stuff really confuses me. Could someone please summarise and explain as if you’d explain to a child what Catholicism definitively teaches on salvation, what is the Eastern view of it (Orthodox and Eastern Catholic) and how it compares to both Arminianism and Calvinism. Thanks!

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u/ShiftyBeagle — 3 days ago
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Source of Athanasius’ Quote of Paul

I’m in the process of reading through Athanasius’ Four Discourses Against the Arians. In the first Discourse (chapter 11, section 44) he provides a quote (paraphrase?) of Peter which reads:

“Since, being God, He became man, and signs and wonders proved Him to beholders to be God, therefore it was not possible that He should be holden of death.”

I don’t see any footnotes on this quote within the book (Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers, Second Series, Volume 4: Athanasius, Select Works and Letters) pertaining to this quote. And I didn’t see anything via a quick Google search. So now here am I.

Does anyone have any insight as to the source of this quote? Is it from a Psuedopigrapha? Or is it in fact merely a paraphrase and interpretation? Thanks!

Edit: Sorry, the title should say “Peter” not “Paul”

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u/iam1me2026 — 3 days ago
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If God knows what you will do and what you have done, then technically He already knows how everything will end—whether you will be saved or lost. So why does He let you try to achieve something you'll never be able to reach?

Isn't that basically like teasing a child with a piece of candy that you never intend to give them?

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u/Nic-Roses — 6 days ago