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Henry the seventh was a widower too long

After Eliz of York died, and he did the proper amount of mourning; why wasn't he much more persistent about finding a bride? I know there were a few attempts, and some negotiations that obviously ended up going nowhere.... Margaret Beaufort was still alive, and I don't understand why neither of them had Henry safely re-married siring sons to help the solitary prince. They knew how quickly death happened.

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u/Due_Tangerine_2669 — 20 hours ago

If KOA had accepted the annulment and Henry and Anne got married in 1528 would Anne be able to give Henry a son

Now, this would be five years before Anne gave birth to Elizabeth in our timeline, which means Anne would have five more years to bear children. My question is, would Henry be more patient, or, if Anne failed to give him a son as she did in our timeline, would Henry simply execute her this time in 1531? What are your thoughts.

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u/Pretty_Help1858 — 2 days ago
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To What Extent Was the Fall of Normandy the Dominant Cause of the Wars of the Roses?

I was reading Dan Jones' War of the Roses book, and was struck with the impression that the speed everything went to shit after Normandy fell in 1450 with the Yorkist reform party basically becoming a thing within months. I'm wondering, to what extent might someone describe the Wars of the Roses' dominant (not monocause) as directly being: "England bet the farm on trying to conquer France and when they lost the blowback was so bad they descended into civil war".

Like, I get Henry being bad at his job was a factor. But, Henry was bad at his job in 1448 and his government wasnt collapsing? And the crisis had started before his catatonia in 1453.

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u/WinterizedGWA — 7 days ago

Were (some) Court Jesters really fullfilling the Role of friend to the monarch as opposed to just entertainment?

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Im basing this assumption largely off of stories regarding Henry VIIIs depressive moods and his reliance on the jester Sommers(?) to life his spirits.

Given how relentlessly stressful the medieval period was for rulers, and the formalised and largely transactional relationships between European crowns and their lords, it made me question where did the monarchs get real human connection?

Was it the court fool, who could get away with speaking truth to power?

Because they were after all, the same kind of humans as we are. But with more gout.

Thanks anyway - im sure this question will end up being nonsense

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u/Dap-aha — 8 days ago
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Henry’s doodles in his copy of Catherine Parr’s book

Some of the doodles are pointing into certain text

1: Take away thy plagues from me, for thy punishment hath made me both.

2: feeble and faint

3: For when thou chastisest a man for his sins, thou causest him by and by to consume and pine away

4: Turn away thine anger from me, that I may know that thou art more

5:merciful unto me than my sins deserve

6: What is my strength, that I may endure? Or what is the end of my trouble, that my soul may patiently abide it?

7: My strength is not a stony strength, and my flesh is not made of brass.

8:Give me a new heart, and a right spirit, and take from me all wicked and sinful desires.

9:O Lord, I am foolish, ignorant, and blind, when I am destitute of thy knowledge.

10: O Lord God, touch my mouth, that my iniquity may be driven away;
dwell thou in my heart, that my sins may be purged.
Wisdom doth not enter into a malicious soul, nor will abide in a body which
is subject to sin.

u/Embarrassed-Lab-3122 — 14 days ago
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Mary I's cause of death is still unresolved — ovarian cyst, uterine cancer, or just the 1558 influenza epidemic that killed thousands of other English people that autumn?

I've been going down a rabbit hole on Mary I's final months and I can't find a

consensus anywhere.

The three candidates I keep running into:

  1. Uterine or ovarian cancer, would explain the two phantom pregnancies, theabdominal swelling, the amenorrhoea, and the long decline.
  2. Ovarian cysts / a pituitary or hormonal disorder — same symptom cluster,non-fatal on its own.
  3. The influenza epidemic of 1557–58, which had genuinely catastrophic mortalityin England. She died in November 1558; so did a large number of hersubjects, and Reginald Pole died the same day.

What bothers me is that most popular accounts pick the most dramatic option

(cancer) and treat the epidemic as background noise, when the epidemic is the

one thing we have decent parish-level evidence for.

Two questions for people who know the sources better than I do:

- Is there any contemporary account describing her symptoms in enough detail to

distinguish these, or are we entirely dependent on Foxe and ambassadorial

reports written by people with an agenda?

- Has anyone actually made the case that she died of the flu like everyone else,

and it's only retrospective drama that gave her a "fitting" death?

Edit: I've found a video of her last six months while researching this, if anyone wants to see it I'm dropping the link here. Flagging upfront the visuals are AI reconstructions, not period artwork.

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u/halilk3 — 14 days ago