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Now, this would be five years before Anne gave birth to Elizabeth in our timeline, which means Anne would have five more years to bear children. My question is, would Henry be more patient, or, if Anne failed to give him a son as she did in our timeline, would Henry simply execute her this time in 1531? What are your thoughts.

Now, just to be clear, I’m leaning toward the show’s version here because, in the books, the Velaryons are white and Rhaenys has black hair, so they could reasonably assume that the children simply got their darker complexion from their grandmother. In the show, however, the Velaryons are obviously Black, so I’m leaning toward the idea that Corlys would clearly be able to see the resemblance—or lack thereof.

However, Corlys really does care about his legacy. He even says, “History doesn’t remember blood. It remembers names.” But for this scenario, I’m going to say that he never accepts Rhaenyra’s children as legitimate. After Laena’s death, and following his wife’s urging, he names Baela his heir and publicly acknowledges that Rhaenyra’s children are bastards.

Now, how would this affect things?

King Viserys does say that he’ll cut off anyone’s tongue who dares question the legitimacy of Rhaenyra’s children. However, I really don’t think he could do that here. Corlys is not only related to him; he’s also the richest man in the Seven Kingdoms and one of the most powerful. He has two dragonriders in his family—or three, since Laenor is still alive at this point—and he has several powerful allies. So I really don’t think Viserys could simply have Corlys’s tongue cut out without facing serious political consequences.

So, what do you think would happen? Would this have a major damaging effect on Rhaenyra’s position? And when the Dance eventually begins, would Corlys join the Greens instead.

This is an idea I’ve been wondering about for several years. It was, like, the first real fanfiction idea I ever came up with.

So, basically, what the title says: the rebellion doesn’t happen. Rhaegar isn’t as obsessed with the prophecy and never goes after Lyanna. He overthrows his father and becomes king.

His son, Aegon, is best friends with Orys Baratheon, the heir to Storm’s End and Robert and Lyanna’s eldest son. Somehow, the two manage to hatch three dragon eggs. Princess Rhaenys, Aegon’s older sister, claims one, as do Orys and Aegon.

Apart from the fact that three dragons are now alive in the world, how would the Iron Throne and the rest of Westeros feel about a non-Targaryen dragonrider

So basically, just what the title says: Ned marries a Blackfyre, and they have Jon. Though, I don't know if she would actually tell him that she's a Blackfyre.

How they meet isn't necessarily relevant to this post. Maybe Robert is interested in visiting the Free Cities, takes Ned with him, and Ned meets Serra. They end up having Jon. Knowing that Serra dies in childbirth, Ned brings Little Jon home.

I'm going to say Jon is born around 280 AC. Now, they could have gotten married, but I want to keep the whole "Jon is a bastard" thing, so maybe Robert gets Ned drunk, one thing leads to another, and they leave whichever city they met Serra in. Months later, they find out she's pregnant, but when they return, she's already dead. So, there really wasn't a chance for them to get married.

The rest of the story in Westeros takes the same route it would normally: the Tourney at Harrenhal, Lyanna and Rhaegar running away, the beginning of the rebellion, and the end of the rebellion.

Now, my question is: would Catelyn treat Jon any worse or better?

Jon looks more like Ned than any of her children besides Arya, which is one of the things that annoys her. But with Valyrian features, that would obviously change.

Also, would the Iron Throne feel threatened by Jon? He would be a Blackfyre—or, more accurately, a descendant of the Blackfyres—and it's possible that, if Robert spent enough time with Serra, he would know about her family's lineage.

Would Robert hate a Blackfyre as much as he hates the Targaryens, or would he just say, "Hey, you have silver hair. I don't really care"?

What do you guys think would happen?

The reason I was saying that already is that if Ned knew Lyanna had run off with Rhaegar and that she was still alive, I can't 100% see him forcing her to marry Robert. I have read a theory that Ned forced Benjen to join the Night's Watch because Benjen knew Lyanna had run off with Rhaegar and didn't say anything, allowing the war to continue. So maybe Ned would force Lyanna to marry Robert. But I don't know, and I just wanted a clear way of doing this.

So, let's say Lyanna and Robert are married not long after the Tourney of Harrenhal. They have a child named Steffon. The rebellion still happens, but maybe a year later because Lyanna was willing to abandon her betrothal to Robert. It would be a lot harder for her to abandon her only child and husband, but I still think Rhaegar could eventually convince her.

The rebellion still happens more or less the same way, just later. Lyanna and Robert have four more children: a second son named Ormund and three daughters named Cassana, Lyarra, and Jocelyn. The youngest would be about six when Game of Thrones starts.

So how would this change things?

Jon Arryn would probably still be Hand of the King. But the Lannisters wouldn't be at court, and that would include Jaime. With a much stronger Stark influence in the capital, I think Jaime would be released from the Kingsguard. Maybe Ned talks to Lyanna about it, or perhaps Lyanna herself doesn't want her children being guarded by a man who broke his oath to his king.

There also wouldn't be much need for Steffon to marry Sansa, since the royal family would already be closely connected to the Starks. Instead, I think a likely option would be for him to be betrothed to Margaery Tyrell.

Jaime would probably be married and have daughters of his own by this point, so I could see Ormund being betrothed to one of them. Since Jon Arryn wanted Robert to marry Cersei, I still think he'd want the royal family to have some connection to the Lannisters, just to ensure that they wouldn't back anyone else if another war broke out.

Cassana could potentially be betrothed to Edmure Tully, while Lyarra could be betrothed to Robert Arryn. As for Jocelyn, I could see Jon Arryn trying to betroth her to Trystane or Quentyn Martell to improve relations between Dorne and the Iron Throne. Alternatively, she could be betrothed to one of the Redwyne twins.

But what do you think of these betrothals? Would they actually happen?

And what would Littlefinger's plans be for creating chaos in this version of the story? Would he still try to cause a war between the Starks and Lannisters, or would he have to come up with an entirely different plan.

After the Russian Revolution, King George V initially offered asylum to the Romanovs but later withdrew the offer, fearing that bringing them to Britain could threaten the stability of his own monarchy.

That got me wondering: what if history had been reversed? Imagine Britain experienced its own revolution during World War I, the royal family was overthrown, but the Romanovs remained in power.

Do you think Tsar Nicholas II would have offered King George V and the British royal family asylum? And even if his ministers advised against it, would Nicholas have gone through with it anyway, given that George was both his cousin and a fellow monarch.

So, I was watching a video a few days ago about the life and reign of Robert Baratheon, and it went over the women he realistically could have married after the Rebellion. According to the video, there were really only two viable options: Cersei Lannister and Ashara Dayne. But since Ashara supposedly killed herself, Robert ended up marrying Cersei.

That got me thinking, though. Even if Ashara had lived, do you really think that marriage would have happened?

First, the wedding itself would have been incredibly awkward. Robert knew that Ned had feelings for Ashara, and there would already rumors that she was Jon Snow's mother. On top of that, Robert allowed Tywin Lannister to get away with the murders of Elia Martell and her children—Elia, who was Ashara's close friend. That's not exactly the best foundation for a happy marriage.

So, even if the wedding had gone ahead, I think it would have been a very complicated relationship. Maybe there would have been some affection—Ashara was famously beautiful, after all—but I doubt it would have been an ideal match.

That said, I also don't think it would have been nearly as disastrous as Robert's marriage to Cersei. Robert certainly didn't help matters by never letting go of Lyanna's memory, but Cersei was hardly an innocent victim either. Their marriage was toxic from both sides.

Robert didn't became a drunk because he loved drinking. I don't think that's the whole story. Robert enjoyed wine, sure, but by the time of A Game of Thrones, it also seems like alcohol had become an escape from a miserable marriage and a life that had turned out nothing like the one he had imagined.

I imagine that, in the beginning, Cersei would have almost no relationship with him. Not simply because he's Robert's son, but because, in the books, she doesn't seem to have much of a relationship with Tommen or Myrcella, at least prior to Tommen's ascent to the throne, mostly because they aren't politically valuable at that point.

Seeing that one of Robert's sons looks like him and would probably act like him, I think the boy—I'm going to call him Ormund, after Robert's grandfather—wouldn't put up with any of Joffrey's crap. He might even punch Joffrey if he tried to bully his siblings or any other child, for that matter.

Robert wouldn't want him to end up like Joffrey, so I think he would send him away from King's Landing. The most likely destination is Winterfell, though I could see him being fostered elsewhere as well.

Regardless, Ormund I Baratheon becomes king. I'd say he'd be about twelve years old when this happens.

At first, I don't think Cersei would spend much time with him because she'd be focused on Tyrion's trial. But after Tywin's death, when she becomes the dominant power in King's Landing, would they have much of a relationship?

It would definitely be difficult. I also don't think Ormund would be a puppet like Tommen. If he were fostered at Winterfell, I could see him trying to follow Ned Stark's example—that a lord must know the men who serve him. So maybe he tries to build closer ties with the Tyrells, and I imagine Cersei would hate that.

But what do you think would happen? Would Cersei actually try to form a genuine relationship with him, or would she simply try to control him?

Jaehaerys I is my favorite Targaryen king. While I love both him and his reign, I recognize that not everyone feels the same way. Some people might find his reign a little boring because, for the most part, he focused on rebuilding the realm rather than fighting major wars. That may not be as exciting to some viewers as battles like the one above the Gods Eye. Do you think we'll ever get a TV show about his reign? And if so, would you want one.

Now, I originally intended for this post to be: What if the dragons didn't go extinct until after the First Blackfyre Rebellion? But as I was writing it, I realized a few things.

First, if the dragons were still around, Daeron the Young Dragon probably wouldn't have died in Dorne.

So I decided to do this instead.

I actually think Daeron could have won in Dorne. I know some people don't believe that, but he managed to conquer Dorne—albeit briefly—without dragons. So I think that with dragons, he could have held it. Though I do believe it would have required a double marriage alliance with House Martell.

Daeron would have continued the royal line, meaning there would be no Baelor the Blessed and no Aegon the Unworthy. Viserys would have remained Hand of the King.

But the really big question is: what are the maesters going to do? The dragons are breeding again and making a comeback. Are they going to try to engineer another Dance?

What are your thoughts?

This is something I've wanted to ask for a while, but I've never found the right place because any discussion involving Aegon usually gets shut down immediately.

I think that if Aegon had offered the Blacklords peace, as his council suggested, he could have remained on the Iron Throne. Yes, Cregan Stark still would have wanted to start his campaign, but if the riverlords had bent the knee—and the Vale had as well—I'm not sure Cregan would have gone through with it.

The Hightower army could have been called upon without dragging the Tyrells into the conflict. The Tyrells were holding Lord Hightower's younger brother and had already made it clear that if he didn't end his campaign, his brother would be harmed. On top of that, the Baratheon army wouldn't have been defeated.

Also, despite what the TV show suggests, I think Aegon kept his manhood. He was betrothed to Cassandra Baratheon, and I don't think that engagement would have happened if he had been incapable of fathering children.

Personally, I think he would have had around five children. Going off Aegon III's family, I'd imagine two sons and three daughters. The eldest son would be named Aegon, after his father. The second son would be Jaehaerys, followed by three daughters: Alysanne, Alyssa, and Alicent.

With all of the king's wounds, though, how long do you think he realistically could have lived? Would his eldest son have been only a young child when Aegon died, or is it possible he could have survived for another few decades?

And finally, how do you think King Aegon would have handled the Greyjoys, the Arryn succession crisis, and the return of the young Viserys Targaryen after he emerged from hiding.

Aenys I – He wasn't evil, but he was incredibly ineffective. His weak rule allowed the Faith Militant to seize control of King's Landing and nearly wipe out House Targaryen.

Maegor I – Without question one of the cruelest kings. He murdered some of his wives, killed his nephews, and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of smallfolk. While his brutal suppression of the Faith ultimately helped secure Targaryen rule for Jaehaerys, it came at an enormous human cost.

Viserys I – His indecisiveness paved the way for the Dance of the Dragons. If he truly wanted Rhaenyra to succeed him, he should never have remarried and produced more heirs. Alternatively, he could have publicly required the Greens to swear fealty to Rhaenyra, or he could have named Aegon his heir and had Rhaenyra publicly acknowledge him. There were countless opportunities to prevent the civil war, but he took none of them.

Aegon IV "the Unworthy" – His treatment of his sister-wife was appalling. Even after being warned that another pregnancy would likely kill her, he still forced the issue. His worst decision, however, was legitimizing all of his bastards on his deathbed, setting the stage for the Blackfyre Rebellions.

Aerys II "the Mad King" – Like Aegon the Unworthy, he was a terrible husband and brother. He abused his wife, Queen Rhaella, and infamously burned Rickard Stark and Brandon Stark alive. He also unjustly demanded the heads of Eddard Stark and Robert Baratheon, sparking Robert's Rebellion. There are also allegations that he may have sexually assaulted Joanna Lannister, though this remains unconfirmed in the lore.

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In the Inheritance Cycle, the elves, Eragon, and Saphira are quick to correct anyone who thinks dragons are mindless beasts. However, that is not the case in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire. While I don't think the dragons there are mindless beasts, the way the Valyrians speak to them can make it seem as though they are. Personally, I don't think Eragon would approve of the way the Valyrians issue commands to their dragons.

In The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, Snow simply asks to be sent to District 12. In the movie, however, he has to bribe someone to make that happen.

In this scenario, I'm going to say that Snow doesn't have enough money and isn't able to get assigned to District 12. Instead, he and Sejanus are sent to another district—maybe District 8, since that's where he was originally assigned in the movie.

Sejanus would still probably do something that gets him killed, although I don't know whether Snow would have access to a jabberjay there. Rue says they have jabberjays in District 11, and since the birds escaped into the wild, it's possible other districts have them too. I just don't know.

So, is Lucy Gray safe from Snow?

At this point, he could still become president. After all, Gaul was only really interested in him after he got his friend killed. An argument could be made that, without that, he would just remain a Peacekeeper.

However, there's a line in the book where Gaul says something along the lines of, "After all the hard work I've invested in you this summer, I'm not just going to let you become a Peacekeeper." So maybe he stays a Peacekeeper for a little while longer and has to prove himself before continuing his rise.

My main question is this: would Lucy Gray have survived if Snow had never gone to District 12? What are your thoughts.

The key here is Sansa and the poison she's carrying in her hairnet. She's told by Ser Dontos that it will bring her justice and vengeance for her father, but he tells her this while he's drunk, and it doesn't really make much sense to her. So, in this scenario, she simply doesn't bring it because, quite frankly, it wouldn't be hard for her to believe that he's crazy.

As a result, there's no poison, the plan is off, and, unfortunately for Margaery, Joffrey lives long enough to consummate the marriage.

I still think Joffrey would die—just at a different event. In the show, Cersei manages to convince Tywin not to marry her off, but that's not what happens in the books. Whether she's married to Willas Tyrell or someone else, Cersei is eventually going to have a wedding, and I think that's when Joffrey will die.

By that point, however, Margaery will be pregnant.

What would this change? Would we simply see a repeat of what we already know? Tyrion has a sham trial, Sansa escapes to the Vale, Oberyn dies, and Tyrion flees to Essos after killing Tywin.

I'm also going to assume the child is a boy because, historically, women haven't been allowed to rule Westeros. I think he would be named Robert to continue the belief—and the lie—that Joffrey was actually Robert's son.

But what do you think would happen.

For me it's after a 108 year they still haven't found Gand Duke Michael's body.

In 2057, assuming Natalie Dormer is still alive, she would be 75 years old—the same age Diana Rigg was when she first played Olenna Tyrell. Do you think Natalie Dormer would have the range and talent to play the Queen of Thorns? If so, who do you think would be the better actress in the role: Diana Rigg or Natalie Dormer.

I've always found it a bit strange that, even though Otto and Alicent spent Aegon's entire childhood telling him he would be king, they never actually taught him how to be a king. they just wanted a puppet.

But let's say they actually trained him from birth to be a capable ruler. I think Aegon would be a very different person. He's not suddenly going to love the smallfolk, but I don't see him becoming nearly as much of a drunkard. Sure, he'd probably still enjoy wine, but not to the same extent.

Also, the TV show has him do things to women that I personally don't believe he ever did in the books, and that wouldn't happen in this scenario either. Otto and Alicent showing that they actually have faith in him as a future king would, I think, encourage him to be better. He'd be far more focused on his studies and sword training, and I think he'd also have a much better relationship with his siblings.

When Viserys asks—or rather, shouts—were he heard the rumors about the Strong boys, Aegon would answer much more confidently, saying that it's obvious they're bastards.

One interesting moment I think would happen is that Aegon would have a seat on the Small Council. He would even be the one sitting the Iron Throne during the Driftmark succession petition. I would've loved to see Rhaenyra's face when she walked in and saw her brother sitting on the Iron Throne.

Aegon also would have begun wielding Blackfyre much earlier.

How do you think a prepared Aegon would have performed during the Dance Would he still have gone to Rook's Rest? What are your thoughts

This is a theoretical question, since we don't know whether Cersei is actually the Mad King's daughter. There are some similarities between the two of them: they both begin believing there are enemies hiding in the walls, they both have an interest in wildfire, and they both dream of building a white marble city. Of course, we don't know if any of this is true, but for the sake of this scenario, let's assume it is.

Around the time of Jon Arryn's death, a letter surfaces confirming that Cersei is Aerys II's daughter. In this scenario, her appearance is also slightly different, with hair that's much paler—almost silvery blonde.

Since Cersei is lawfully married to Robert, would the revelation affect the legitimacy of their children Or would Cersei being a bastard change things Normally, kings and nobles are expected to marry someone of legitimate noble birth. What do you think.