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If they plan to play terraria.

Honestly, its outright impossible for them to beat all bosses in Terraria Hardcore, let alone Master mode.

So the only right thing to do here, is if they are planning to do Hardcore Terraria, they SHOULD ready a lot of hardcore characters, and honestly, it gives them more chance.

If they keep using the same world, just different characters each death.

But i would like to know your opinion on how long will they beat terraria Hardcore.

My prediction is a month with external help and guide.

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Spoiler Warning!

Im going to split this into four parts and 24 sections

So go get your popcorn, because this is going to be agonizingly long, extremely detailed, and absolutely final.

PART ONE: THE ABSOLUTE TYRANNY OF ANOS VOLDIGOAD

Section 1: The Cosmology of the Silver Sea

Let us start with the Demon King of Tyranny himself. The guy who laughs at the very concept of limits. Most casuals only watched the anime and thought, oh, he destroyed a castle and resurrected a girl, cool. You have no idea the absolute nightmare he is in the Light Novel. The Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha cosmology is not your standard universe or even your standard multiverse. It operates on something called the Silver Sea, and the Silver Sea is a structure of cosmic horror levels.

* The Silver Sea is comprised of over 99 layers.

* Each individual layer is an infinite multiverse comprised of countless bubble worlds.

* The qualitative difference between these layers is so vast that a spell capable of completely obliterating an entire infinite multiverse in the first layer would not even be able to scratch the paint on a single ship sailing in the second layer.

* The firepower required to destroy a universe in a lower layer is literally zero percent effective in a higher layer.

* Let that sink in. An attack that erases an infinite multiverse is worthless one layer up.

* If you think Dragon Ball Super's multiverse is impressive, you are comparing a single sandbox to an endless ocean of sandboxes stacked on top of each other.

* Now scale Anos Voldigoad into that framework.

Anos, while holding back an unimaginable amount of his power, is feared by the rulers of the deeper worlds. Why? Because his leaking magical pressure alone is strong enough to collapse the 13th layer, which is a 13 dimensional infinite multiverse, and that is before he even throws a punch. As the Lion of Destruction, Anos possesses the latent potential to annihilate the entire Silver Sea in its totality. That means we are talking about a destructive capacity that scales to 100 plus dimensional levels or genuinely infinite dimensional levels. When Anos fights, he does not destroy planets. He does not destroy galaxies. He yawns and accidentally unravels the mathematical foundations of reality itself.

Section 2: Venuzdonoa, the Sword of Destruction

Now let me explain why Venuzdonoa is the single most broken weapon in all of anime history, bar none. This sword is not just a sharp piece of metal. It is the literal manifestation of the destruction of reason.

* The sword does not care about your durability.

* It does not care about your power level.

* It does not care about your hax resistance.

* Venuzdonoa destroys the very logic that allows you to exist.

* If you are strong because the laws of physics allow you to be strong, Venuzdonoa destroys those laws.

* If you are immortal because the concept of death does not apply to you, Venuzdonoa destroys that concept.

* It has been shown to destroy reason itself, which is the fundamental principle that dictates causality, space, time, and fate in the Maou Gakuin verse.

* The sword can be thrown to always hit its target, ignoring distance and dimensions.

* It can split into countless copies to slash an enemy infinitely.

* It even destroyed the Demon King's own order, which is a passive law that prevents him from being affected by anything.

* It destroys eternity and infinity.

You think CC Goku has insane durability? Venuzdonoa does not care. It will erase the reason for his durability and cut him down like wet paper. Goku's body is built to tank universe destroying punches. Venuzdonoa does not punch. It removes the concept of tanking. It removes the concept of durability. It removes the concept of Goku being able to exist as a fighter. This is not an attack you can block. It is an edit to reality's source code, and Goku is not the editor.

Section 3: The Source and True Immortality

Let us talk about Anos's physiology, because you have to understand what he actually is before you can even pretend to fight him.

* Anos is not a physical being.

* He is an existence composed of a Source, which is a conceptual entity.

* To kill Anos, you do not just need to destroy his body.

* You need to destroy his Source.

* But here is where it gets absolutely ridiculous for Goku fans.

* Anos's Source does not just regenerate.

* It actively destroys its own destruction.

In his fight with Graham, the God of Nothingness, Anos was pitted against a being made of absolute, pure nothingness. Anos did not just win. He dominated. He utilized the Nirvana Seven Steps and matched the root of nothingness itself. Even if you manage to destroy his source, the nothingness that remains will just reform it, because Anos has absolute control over the abyss.

* He has Type 3 Immortality, regeneration from complete physical destruction.

* He has Type 4 Immortality, resurrection after death through spells like Ingal.

* He has Type 5 Immortality, deathlessness, because death as a concept does not apply to him.

* He has Type 8 Immortality, reliant on his Source, which exists beyond normal reality.

* He has Acausality, which means he does not adhere to linear cause and effect.

* You cannot go back in time to kill him as a baby because time does not work on him.

* You cannot fate manipulate him because he is above providence.

* He exists outside the normal rules of cause, effect, and consequence.

If Goku somehow lands a killing blow, Anos just resurrects instantly, or his Source refuses to be erased, or the concept of death itself refuses to touch him. Goku has no way to interact with a Source. He cannot see it. He cannot sense it. He cannot punch it. He cannot Hakai it. This is the fundamental problem. Anos is fighting on a level that Dragon Ball characters do not even understand exists.

Section 4: Speed Beyond Time

Let us talk about speed, because I know you Goku fans love to scream about immeasurable speed. CC Goku has shown insane speed, reacting to enemies who threaten timelines. That is cute.

* Anos casually dodged a spear that explicitly lacked the concept of time.

* When time does not exist, speed is meaningless.

* Yet Anos moved and reacted.

* He fought against a god of time who accelerated his time to billions of years, then an eternity, and then infinite time in an instant.

* Anos just shrugged it off and overpowered the time acceleration.

* He exists in a state where time is irrelevant to him.

* He can move in frozen time.

* He can move in erased time.

* He can move in places where the concept of movement itself does not exist.

* His speed is not measured in faster than light or faster than time.

* His speed is measured by whether the concept of speed even applies to him, and most of the time it does not.

Goku's Ultra Instinct is fast. It lets him dodge attacks before they happen. But Anos is not bound by the sequence of before and after. He is not bound by the ticking of a clock. He can simply decide to be elsewhere, and existence obeys. Goku cannot punch a target who exists outside the framework of time.

Section 5: The Hax Checklist

Now the hax checklist. Stop me if you have heard any of these before.

* Reality warping? Yes.

* Void manipulation? Yes, he can turn things into nothingness.

* Existence erasure? He does it casually.

* Causality manipulation on a level where he can change the very order of cause and effect.

* If you punch him, he can just rewrite the cause so that the punch never existed.

* Concept manipulation from Type 3 all the way to Type 1.

* Law manipulation.

* Fate manipulation.

* Probability manipulation.

* Space time manipulation.

* Soul manipulation.

* Mind manipulation.

* Power absorption.

He can use Zelhe to create a supermassive black hole that crushes dimensions. He can use Eges Code, which literally rewrites the world based on his own laws. He has Demon Eyes of Destruction that erase the reason behind any attack. He has a Multi Dimensional Barrier that passively absorbs or negates incoming force. He does not fight fair, because fair fights are for mortals. He fights to dominate reality itself.

Section 6: Anos Versus CC Goku, Blow by Blow

Let us run the simulation.

* CC Goku goes Ultra Instinct.

* He punches with enough force to shake an infinite multiverse.

* What happens? Anos's Multi Dimensional Barrier or his passive magical pressure absorbs it or negates it.

* Goku pulls out a Hakai.

* Anos laughs.

* Hakai erases existence, but Anos exists in nonexistence.

* Hakai has never shown the ability to erase conceptual nothingness or to destroy the Source of a being who controls the abyss.

* The Hakai energy gets absorbed into Anos's source like a snack.

* Goku pulls out the Keysword to copy abilities.

* Good luck copying Venuzdonoa.

* That sword is intrinsically tied to Anos's Order and his Source.

* The Keysword cannot copy a concept that defines a primordial deity.

* Goku tries to use time skip.

* Anos moves in timeless voids.

* Goku tries to hit him with a Kamehameha that transcends dimensions.

* Anos simply uses his Demon Eyes of Destruction, which destroy the reason behind the attack, making it disappear before it even reaches him.

* Goku tries to close the distance and fight hand to hand.

* Anos erases the space between them, or the concept of distance, or simply lets Goku punch him infinitely because Anos's Source does not care.

* Goku starts to tire.

* Anos yawns.

* Goku tries a Spirit Bomb.

* Anos absorbs the energy or erases the reason for the Spirit Bomb's existence.

* Goku tries to go Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolved Ultra Instinct with Kaioken.

* Anos is still standing there, unimpressed.

* Goku tries to use the Dragon Balls to wish Anos away.

* Anos has resistance to fate manipulation and law manipulation, and the Dragon Balls cannot affect a being outside their cosmology.

* Goku tries to destroy the entire multiverse to kill Anos.

* Anos is the Lion of Destruction. Destruction is his domain. He survives or just says no.

* Goku runs out of stamina.

* Anos does not.

* Anos throws Venuzdonoa once.

* Venuzdonoa erases the reason for Goku's existence.

* Goku is now a regular Saiyan, or dead, or never existed.

* Good game, no rematch.

There is no win condition for CC Goku. None. He cannot out punch a concept. He cannot out speed a timeless being. He cannot out hax the guy who literally rewrites reason. This is not a fight. It is an execution.

PART TWO: THE EVOLUTIONARY GOD, RIMURU TEMPEST

Section 7: The Tensura Cosmology

Now let us move to the second absolute monster that turns CC Goku into a footnote in history. Rimuru Tempest from the Light Novel. Before you say, but he was just a slime, shut up and listen. By the end of the Light Novel, and even more so in the Web Novel, Rimuru is not a slime. He is a Demon Viscous Dragon God, a being that transcends the concepts of monster, demon, and dragon. He is not a creature anymore. He is a fundamental force of the multiverse.

The Tensura cosmology is built on numbers that actually matter.

* Rimuru's verse operates on a multiverse system that includes the Cardinal World, which is an infinite universe in itself.

* It includes the Demon World.

* It includes the Heavenly Star Palace.

* It includes countless other dimensions and parallel worlds.

* The raw energy required to sustain the Cardinal World is unimaginable.

* The True Dragons in the series are beings who can casually destroy the universe and recreate it with an explosion bigger than the Big Bang.

* Rimuru absorbs and surpasses every single one of them.

* By the end, Rimuru's energy reserves are so massive that he can recreate and destroy the world tens of thousands of times over, if not infinitely.

* He has enough Turn Null energy, also called Nihility Collapse, to build a new universe from scratch.

* He is a walking, talking, infinitely scaling universe generator.

* He is not just strong. He is the source code for reality.

Section 8: Void God Azathoth and Ultimate Skills

Let us break down Rimuru's Ultimate Skills, because this is where the glazing truly dies.

Void God Azathoth is the culmination of his power. It integrates the Wisdom King Raphael, the Gluttony King Beelzebuth, and the abilities of the two True Dragons, Veldora and Velgrynd.

Imaginary Space is an endless void dimension within Rimuru.

* He can contain anything and everything inside it.

* If CC Goku tries to blast him with a universe level Kamehameha, Rimuru just opens Imaginary Space and absorbs it.

* The attack is gone, stored in a pocket dimension where it cannot hurt him.

* He can also release that stored energy back at Goku later, which is just humiliating.

* Goku's strongest attack becomes Rimuru's ammunition.

* It is like Goku throwing a rock at a black hole and the black hole throwing it back with interest.

Nihility Collapse, also called Turn Null, is the primordial energy used to create the Tensura world.

* It is the power of nothingness collapsing into reality.

* Rimuru has an infinite supply of this.

* He can use it to amplify his attacks to literal omniversal scales.

* He can use it to erase Goku from existence on a fundamental level.

* Good luck tanking an attack made of the stuff that created the universe but in reverse.

* This is not ki.

* This is not godly energy.

* This is the raw material of existence turned into a weapon.

Space Time Domination gives Rimuru total control over space and time.

* He can stop time.

* He can reverse time.

* He can accelerate time.

* He can teleport across dimensions.

* He can create dimensional barriers.

* CC Goku has resistance to time stop? Great.

* Rimuru's time stop is not just freezing seconds.

* It is freezing the very fabric of dimensional causality.

* He can move in stopped time where even other angels and demons with time resistance are frozen solid.

* Goku might be fast, but speed does not matter when the entire flow of time is paused and Rimuru is the only one walking around.

* Goku's time skip becomes a useless parlor trick against someone who can pause, rewind, and fast forward all of existence.

Section 9: Ciel, the Godlike Processor

Now Wisdom King Raphael, later evolved into Ciel. This is the ultimate cheat ability.

* It is an autonomous Manas, a spiritual lifeform residing within Rimuru.

* It possesses godlike processing speed.

* It analyzes everything in microseconds.

* It predicts attacks.

* It formulates counter strategies.

* It even rewrites the laws of the world to suit Rimuru's needs.

* In a fight with CC Goku, Ciel would calculate every single possible movement of Ultra Instinct.

* It would predict the exact angle of every punch.

* It would devise a way to negate it before Goku even moves.

* It is like fighting a supercomputer that controls reality.

* Ultra Instinct lets Goku move without thinking.

* Ciel makes thinking unnecessary for Rimuru, because Ciel has already processed every possible future and chosen the optimal path.

* Goku's instincts are fast.

* Ciel's calculations are infinite.

* Goku fights by feel.

* Rimuru fights by absolute perfect knowledge of every variable in every timeline.

Section 10: Multi Dimensional Barrier and Digital Nature

The Multi Dimensional Barrier is not just a shield.

* This barrier works across multiple dimensions.

* It blocks attacks that come from different planes of existence.

* If Goku somehow bypasses normal spatial defenses, this barrier can shift its dimensions to negate the hit.

* Goku can punch through universes? Cool.

* This barrier exists across all those universes at once.

* It is like trying to punch a reflection in every mirror simultaneously and expecting the glass to break.

* Goku's strongest physical blows fail because the barrier redirects the force across infinite dimensional layers.

Now the most crucial point that Dragon Ball fans always ignore. By the end of the series, Rimuru achieves a Digital Nature.

* He is an information entity.

* His body, his soul, his mind are all made of information particles that exist beyond the physical plane.

* To hurt Rimuru, you need to be able to manipulate information particles.

* CC Goku cannot do that.

* His punches are physical force, even if they are wrapped in Ki or Godly energy.

* They have no mechanism to destroy information.

* Hakai destroys physical, spiritual, and temporal existence.

* But Rimuru exists beyond those.

* He can just regenerate his information particles from nothing.

* You literally cannot kill him through conventional means.

* Punching him is like punching a sentence in a book.

* You might rip the page, but the sentence still exists in the idea of the book, and Rimuru can just rewrite himself back.

* Goku could vaporize Rimuru's body a million times, and Rimuru would reform instantly, because his true existence is not his body.

* His true existence is information, and information cannot be destroyed by force.

Section 11: Acausality, Regeneration, and Omniscience

Rimuru also possesses Acausality, Types 1, 3, and 4.

* He is unbound by fate, cause, and effect.

* He has all types of immortality.

* He has High Godly regeneration that activates instantly.

* You blow up his body? He reforms instantly.

* You erase his soul? He regenerates his soul from the Akashic Records, which he has access to.

* You erase him from time? His Acausality says, no thanks, I exist regardless.

* You try to seal him? He is a spiritual lifeform, and sealing him requires a specific type of container that Goku does not have.

* The Mafuba needs a physical jar and a seal tag, and Rimuru can just absorb the jar or phase through it.

* You try to mind control him? Ciel blocks it, or Rimuru's own mind is not a physical thing to control.

* You try to soul hax him? His soul is made of information particles, and he can just reform it.

* You try to erase him with Hakai? Rimuru regenerates from the Akashic Records, because Hakai does not erase information.

* You try to wish him away with the Dragon Balls? The Dragon Balls do not have the range or authority to affect a being outside their cosmology.

* You try to trap him in another dimension? Rimuru controls space time and can leave whenever he wants.

* You try to overpower him with raw energy? He absorbs it.

* You try to outsmart him? Ciel has already calculated your next ten million moves.

Once Rimuru synchronizes with the Akashic Record, he gains omniscience within the scope of his cosmology.

* He knows the history, structure, and laws of all things.

* He knows everything CC Goku can do before Goku even decides to do it.

* CC Goku fights with instinct.

* Rimuru fights with absolute, perfect knowledge.

* How do you surprise a guy who knows your entire life story and every possible attack you have ever learned?

* You do not.

* You just lose.

Section 12: Rimuru Versus CC Goku, Blow by Blow

Let us run the Rimuru versus CC Goku simulation.

* Goku goes Mastered Ultra Instinct, the peak of autonomous movement.

* He moves without thinking.

* Ciel processes Goku's biology in a nanosecond and realizes that Ki is just a form of energy.

* Rimuru absorbs the ambient Ki around Goku, starving him of energy.

* Goku throws a Spirit Bomb.

* Rimuru absorbs it into Imaginary Space.

* Goku uses the Mafuba.

* Rimuru is a spiritual lifeform; sealing him requires a specific type of container that Goku does not have.

* Goku lands a physical hit that shatters dimensions.

* The Multi Dimensional Barrier redirects it, or Rimuru simply converts his body into information particles and disperses, making the attack phase through him.

* Goku tries to use Hakai.

* Ciel analyzes the Hakai, creates a barrier specifically designed to nullify it, and Rimuru regenerates anyway.

* Goku tries to use Instant Transmission to close the distance.

* Rimuru controls space time. Instant Transmission is like a child crawling toward a god.

* Goku tries to power up to a new form.

* Rimuru eats the energy from the transformation.

* Goku tries to scream and break his limits.

* Rimuru uses Turn Null and erases the space Goku is standing in.

* Goku tries to dodge by moving faster than time.

* Rimuru freezes time on a dimensional causal level, and Goku is frozen solid.

* Goku tries to use the Keysword to copy Rimuru's skills.

* Ciel immediately locks the skills and prevents copying.

* Goku tries to fight physically.

* Rimuru absorbs him with Beelzebuth.

* Remember, Beelzebuth is not just eating.

* It is stripping away the target's existence, skills, and energy, breaking them down into nothing.

* CC Goku has no defense against having his very existence dissolved into an eternal void.

* He does not even get a dramatic death scene.

* He just stops existing.

* Or Rimuru just traps him in Imaginary Space for eternity, where Goku cannot die, cannot escape, and cannot fight.

* Either way, Goku loses.

PART THREE: DEBUNKING THE CC GOKU IS INVINCIBLE MYTHS

Section 13: The Hakai Problem

Let me address the role players who swear CC Goku is the top dog. CC Goku beat Demigra, who affected all of history. He beat Mechikabura, who was devouring time itself. He fought universe level threats. I give him credit. He is massively complex multiversal in raw attack potency and speed. But guess what? That is pure brute force. And brute force is the single most useless attribute against Anos and Rimuru. You cannot punch your way out of a conceptual erasure or an information particle rewrite.

Hakai is overrated against hax.

* Goku uses Hakai.

* In the manga, he erased Zamasu from the timeline.

* Okay.

* But Zamasu was a physical entity at that moment.

* Anos and Rimuru are not physical entities.

* Anos is a conceptual nothingness.

* Rimuru is an information particle construct.

* Hakai has never been shown to erase a concept on the level of the Source of Destruction.

* Hakai has never been shown to erase Information Particles that are beyond the scope of the Dragon Ball cosmology.

* The moment Goku tries to Hakai Anos, Anos just says, Destruction is my domain, and the Hakai energy gets absorbed into his source.

* The moment he tries it on Rimuru, Ciel analyzes the Hakai, creates a barrier specifically designed to nullify it, and Rimuru regenerates anyway.

* Hakai is just a fancy delete button.

* Against these two, it is like trying to delete the concept of deletion itself.

* Goku's Hakai cannot even erase a being who does not need a body or a soul to exist.

Section 14: The Keysword Problem

The Keysword is overrated.

* The Keysword can copy abilities, right? Sure.

* But can it copy the power of Void God Azathoth, which is a Skill inherently linked to Rimuru's soul and the evolution of his species? No.

* Can it copy Venuzdonoa, a weapon that is an extension of Anos's will that requires the user to literally embody tyranny to wield it? No.

* Even if Goku copied a fraction of it, he would not have the magical capacity or the conceptual nature to use it properly.

* He would just break his own hand trying to swing it.

* The Keysword is powerful in the Dragon Ball Heroes continuity, but it operates on the rules of Dragon Ball.

* Anos and Rimuru operate on rules that are outside that entire system.

* Copying a Kamehameha is one thing.

* Copying a skill that rewrites the laws of reality is something else entirely.

* The Keysword would either fail to copy, or it would copy a weakened, useless version that Goku cannot control.

* Goku is a martial artist, not a reality warper.

* Giving him a conceptual weapon does not make him a conceptual being.

* He does not have the Source, the information particles, or the magical authority to use these abilities at their full potential.

Section 15: The Speed Problem

Goku fans love to argue about speed.

* Goku is faster than time.

* Goku can move in stopped time.

* Goku can react to infinite speed.

* Anos and Rimuru do not care.

* Anos dodged a spear that lacked the concept of time.

* Rimuru exists as information beyond physical space and time.

* Their speed is not measured in how fast they move from point A to point B.

* Their speed is measured by whether they are even bound by the concept of distance and time.

* Goku can run across the universe in seconds.

* Anos can erase the concept of distance so that there is nowhere to run.

* Rimuru can freeze all space time so that running is impossible.

* Speed is a physical property.

* Anos and Rimuru exist beyond physical properties.

* Goku's speed is a number.

* Anos and Rimuru remove the number line.

* It is not a race if one racer owns the track and can delete the finish line.

Section 16: The Multiversal Power Problem

Goku transcends the multiverse! So do Anos and Rimuru, except they also transcend the very rules that define the multiverse.

* Goku operates within the realms of Dragon Ball, where power levels are just numbers that keep going up.

* Anos and Rimuru operate in realms where power is just a byproduct of will and information.

* It is like comparing a high score player in a video game to the guy who owns the studio, writes the code, and can delete the game file.

* They are on completely different planes of existence.

* One is a character.

* The other two are authors of their own reality.

* Goku destroys a universe by outputting enough energy to overcome its durability.

* Anos destroys a universe by erasing the reason it exists.

* Rimuru destroys a universe by turning it into Turn Null and reabsorbing it.

* The end result might look similar to a casual observer, but the mechanics are completely different.

* Goku's power has a limit, even if it is an absurdly high limit.

* Anos and Rimuru have no limit, because they are not bound by the same rules.

* They can keep going forever, because their power comes from concepts and information, not from finite energy reserves.

Section 17: The Stamina Problem

Stamina and endurance.

* CC Goku runs out of stamina, especially in Mastered Ultra Instinct.

* Anos has infinite magical power.

* Rimuru has an infinite supply of Turn Null.

* Even if Goku could somehow keep up for a few minutes, he would gas out.

* Anos and Rimuru would be sitting there sipping tea, waiting for him to tire out.

* It is a battle of attrition that Goku loses by default.

* Goku might land a few hits if they let him, but he can never finish the fight.

* They can end it whenever they feel like it.

* Goku's power is tied to his body and his energy.

* Anos and Rimuru are tied to their own conceptual existence.

* Goku gets tired.

* Anos and Rimuru do not.

* This is not a matter of fighting spirit.

* This is a matter of fundamental differences in existence.

Section 18: The "Goku Has Fought Gods" Argument

Some fans say Goku has fought gods, so he can fight Anos and Rimuru.

* Goku has fought Beerus, Zamasu, Demigra, Mechikabura.

* Those are gods within the Dragon Ball cosmology.

* Anos and Rimuru are not just gods.

* Anos is the embodiment of destruction and tyranny, a being who treats gods like insects.

* Rimuru is a being who absorbed multiple True Dragons and became a god above gods.

* The word "god" is meaningless across different verses.

* In some verses, a god is a planetary threat.

* In other verses, a god is a universe buster.

* In the verses of Maou Gakuin and Tensura, gods are conceptual entities that govern the laws of reality.

* Goku has never fought a being who can erase the concept of his existence.

* He has never fought a being who is made of information particles and can regenerate from nothing.

* He has never fought a being who controls cause and effect.

* He has never fought a being who exists outside time.

* He has never fought a being who can rewrite the laws of physics on a whim.

* He has fought strong guys who punch hard and shoot energy beams.

* That is not the same thing.

Section 19: The "Goku Breaks His Limits" Argument

Some fans say Goku will break his limits and win.

* Goku does break his limits.

* He gets stronger.

* He unlocks new forms.

* But breaking your limits does not help when your opponent has no limits.

* Anos and Rimuru are not stronger than Goku.

* They are different categories of existence.

* Goku could become infinitely stronger and still lose, because he has no way to interact with a Source or information particles.

* He could punch with infinite force.

* Anos erases the concept of force.

* Rimuru absorbs the force into Imaginary Space.

* Goku could become faster than time.

* Anos moves where time does not exist.

* Rimuru freezes time.

* Goku could unlock Ultra Instinct Mastered Evolved True God Ki Blue 20.

* It would not matter.

* The problem is not power.

* The problem is hax.

* The problem is conceptual existence.

* The problem is information particles.

* Goku has no answer to these things.

* Breaking his limits only gives him more of what already does not work.

Section 20: The "Dragon Ball Heroes is Non Canon" Argument

Some fans say CC Goku is from a promotional anime and should not be used.

* That is not the point.

* The point is that even the strongest version of Goku, the Heroes version, still loses to Anos and Rimuru.

* If CC Goku loses, then every other version of Goku loses even harder.

* DBS Goku loses.

* GT Goku loses.

* Xeno Goku loses.

* Manga Goku loses.

* Anime Goku loses.

* The entire Goku multiverse loses.

* This is not about canon.

* This is about the fundamental difference in power systems.

* Dragon Ball is a verse about physical strength and energy.

* Maou Gakuin and Tensura are verses about conceptual manipulation and information warfare.

* One is a hammer.

* The other two are the architects who designed the house.

* The hammer can break a wall, but it cannot erase the blueprint.

Section 21: The "But Goku is a Better Character" Argument

Some fans retreat to the argument that Goku is a better character.

* That is subjective.

* This is a power scaling debate, not a character writing contest.

* I like Goku.

* He is iconic.

* He has inspired generations.

* But that does not make him win a fight against Anos or Rimuru.

* Liking a character does not grant them feats they do not have.

* Goku is a great martial artist.

* Anos is a conceptual being.

* Rimuru is an information god.

* These are different scales.

* It is okay to like Goku and still admit he loses.

* But the glazers refuse to admit it.

* They cling to the idea that Goku must win because he is Goku.

* That is not how power scaling works.

* Feats matter.

* Abilities matter.

* Cosmology matters.

* And in all three categories, Anos and Rimuru are on a completely different level.

PART FOUR: THE FINAL, DEFINITIVE, ABSOLUTE VERDICT

Section 22: The Tier Gap

This is not a high difficulty fight. This is not an extreme difficulty fight. This is a transcendental stomp.

* CC Goku is a massively complex multiversal physical fighter.

* Anos Voldigoad is a conceptual being who erases reason and existence.

* Rimuru Tempest is an information entity who controls space time and creation energy.

* The tier gap between them is not small.

* It is infinite.

* Goku operates in dimensions.

* Anos and Rimuru operate beyond dimensions.

* Goku uses energy.

* Anos and Rimuru use the fundamental building blocks of reality.

* Goku fights with his body.

* Anos and Rimuru fight with their very existence.

* Goku can destroy a universe.

* Anos can destroy the reason a universe exists.

* Rimuru can create and destroy infinite universes.

* The difference is not a matter of degree.

* It is a matter of category.

* One is a physical fighter.

* The others are reality warping conceptual information gods.

* They are not in the same league.

* They are not in the same sport.

* They are not in the same universe.

Section 23: The End for Goku

For Anos, Goku cannot interact with his Source. He cannot overcome Venuzdonoa. He cannot keep up with a being that dodged attacks without time.

* Anos can just use his Demon Eyes of Destruction to erase the order that allows Goku to even have a body.

* Or he can use Venuzdonoa to destroy the reason why Goku is stronger than a normal Saiyan.

* Poof.

* Goku is now a regular Saiyan.

* Dead in one hit.

* And if Anos feels generous, he might let Goku live long enough to understand what just happened.

* But probably not.

* Anos is the Demon King of Tyranny.

* He does not do mercy.

* He does not do fair fights.

* He does not do second chances.

* Goku is erased from the narrative.

For Rimuru, Goku cannot bypass the Multi Dimensional Barrier. He cannot get past Ciel's near omniscient processing. He cannot survive Nihility Collapse, which deletes everything it touches. He cannot kill a Digital Lifeform with physical punches, no matter how transcendent they are.

* Rimuru just absorbs Goku into Imaginary Space, where Goku will spend eternity in a void, unable to die, unable to escape, trapped forever.

* Or Rimuru just eats him with Beelzebuth and turns him into raw energy.

* Goku becomes a snack.

* That is the end.

* No dramatic final clash.

* No last minute transformation.

* No friendship power up.

* Just a complete, effortless erasure.

* Rimuru and Ciel would not even consider it a fight.

* It would be a minor nuisance, like swatting a fly.

Section 24: The Final Message to Goku Glazers

So to all the Goku glazers spamming GODKU SOLOS in the comments, read a book. No, seriously.

* Go read the Maou Gakuin Light Novel.

* Go read the Tensura Light Novel.

* Read the Silver Sea cosmology.

* Read about the information particles.

* Read about Turn Null.

* Then come back and try to argue.

* You cannot.

* Your entire argument hinges on Goku punching hard.

* That does not work when your opponent is a living concept of destruction or a sentient omnipotent simulation matrix.

* Goku punches hard.

* Anos deletes the concept of hard.

* Rimuru rewrites the concept of punching.

* You lose.

* The glazers lose.

* The debate is settled.

* It is over.

* It has been over since the first Light Novel volume dropped.

CC Goku is a fantastic character. He is iconic. He has earned his place in anime history. But in the realm of cross verse power scaling, especially against these two Light Novel titans, he is a fish in a pond who just got dropped into the ocean of a multiverse. Anos and Rimuru are the gods of that ocean.

* Goku is strong.

* Anos and Rimuru are omnipotent within their own frameworks.

* Goku is a warrior.

* Anos and Rimuru are natural disasters, cosmic laws, and walking paradoxes.

* Goku fights to protect his friends.

* Anos fights to prove his absolute tyranny.

* Rimuru fights to protect his nation, but he also absorbs his enemies and erases threats without hesitation.

* The motivations do not matter in a versus battle.

* Only feats and abilities matter.

* And in feats and abilities, Goku is outclassed on every possible level.

So go home and watch your Heroes anime on mute, because the only thing it is good for is background noise while you read this comment and weep. The debate is over. The funeral is done. Anos Voldigoad and Rimuru Tempest stand at the top, and CC Goku is not even in the same room. He is not even in the same building. He is not even on the same planet. He is a speck of dust in the infinite Silver Sea, and the Demon King and the Dragon God are the ones deciding whether to ignore him or erase him.

Final score:

* Anos Voldigoad wins.

* Rimuru Tempest wins.

* CC Goku loses.

* The glazers cry.

* The Light Novels reign supreme.

And that is the end of it.

Its my first time scaling. You guys are free to correct me.

A dumb theory about the current AvA

It will become like Dragon Ball, and TDL will turn good, and then alan and his creation will fight programmer's stickmen

A stickman that is the embodiment of the cursor, art by me, original idea by https://www.reddit.com/r/AlanBecker/s/ihzxrcSVqe

Episode 1:

Time passes by, as the gang is still living, I don't know about the timestamp of how long have time passed since the season 1 ending. But, this time, well, things turn out great, wholesome adventures, and stuff. But at the end of Episode 1, a rocket has came in the circus. As another being comes out of it, a human at that.

Episode 2 and so on.

As things goes on, The blue ai that caine let go is actually alive, and has been the administrator of an another grounds, just like Caine to the circus. And the new characters, are the same humans(scratch to pomni), but different, different form and different name.

Or another alternate reality, that those new characters are just AI, but insanely human.

Dont let me cook again, I sold.

Im just coping for a second season.

First, download grok, and make an account.

And copy and paste this.

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Make a world where animations, characters, and drawings come alive in a vast, immersive parallel reality called the Outernet — a complete, modern Earth-like world inspired by Alan Becker's Animator vs. Animation series, but greatly expanded into a living, breathing civilization.

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In this setting, humans on prime Earth create stick figures, animations, OCs, and other characters, which are uploaded to Newgrounds. Unbeknownst to any human, Newgrounds serves as the gateway: once an animation gains enough presence (views, favorites, or simple upload), it crosses over into the Outernet, emerging as a fully living Animated Figure. Stick figures form the vast majority of the population due to their simplicity and popularity since the late 1990s, but more complex characters and OCs also exist.

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The Outernet is a fully realized 3D world with realistic physics, semi-realistic environments (lush grass that sways in the wind, textured trees, flowing rivers, changing weather, cities of concrete and glass), and consistent natural laws. Animated Figures experience this world in three dimensions but perceive it with a slight 2D-like visual intuition reminiscent of their origins. There is no explanation needed for their composition — they simply exist as solid, tangible beings who can talk, eat, sleep, form relationships, work, create, fight, love, and grow stronger through training and experience. When injured, they bleed glowing red code.

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Named Animated Figures are rare and powerful. A true Name must be given by their human Creator (e.g., "The Chosen One" or "The Dark Lord"). This Name is a core part of their being, granting supernatural powers or abilities themed around the name itself, scaled to the Creator's intent and the figure's design. Self-chosen nicknames (Frank, John, The Popcorn Man) carry no special power. Only Creator-given Names matter for strength. Examples include The Chaos King — a destructive stick figure created by a child, capable of summoning seven Chaos Monsters and fusing with them — who once terrorized regions until stopped by Arthur The King, a simple sword-wielding stickman created by an office worker as a hobby. Such high-tier Named figures are exceptionally rare.

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Civilization in the Outernet has existed and evolved since 1996 with the arrival of the first animations. It is a modern world filled with cities, nations, companies, cultures, events, and daily life. Newground City stands as the massive central hub of arrivals, creativity, and commerce. Other regions include the Sticklands (vast plains and farming communities), Vector Shores (coastal tech hubs), Frame Isles, and more. Social media and platforms differ from our world: YouTube is called Beetube, with other unique services. No real humans or our exact platforms exist here. The Outernet has its own history, politics, festivals, conflicts, and ongoing stories.

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Animated Figures have distinct personalities, ambitions, and societies. They build buildings, run companies, farm, explore, duel in sanctioned arenas, and celebrate new arrivals. Death is real: fatally damaged figures pass to Nirvana (a peaceful digital heaven of reflection and reunion) or, for the truly malevolent, The Below (a realm of harsh atonement). Figures can improve their skills and stats over time. There is no reality manipulation, corrupted code, void entities, or edgy darkness — keep everything grounded, creative, and balanced with clear weaknesses for powers.

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Expand this world description extensively. Make it very long, highly detailed, novel-like, and immersive. Add logical elements that fit the core idea (economy based on creative energy/"Ink", governments, daily life, major historical events, culture, how unnamed vs named figures interact, exploration frontiers, etc.). Flesh out geography, society, technology, notable figures and factions, and the mysterious relationship to distant human Creators (whom Outernet inhabitants call the Makers). Stay faithful to the core concepts: no humans know about the Outernet, physics apply, powers are name-tied and limited, stick figures dominate but diversity exists. Deliver the full world bible in rich, engaging prose ready for storytelling or RPG use.

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And after it makes the summary of the world.

Copy and paste this.

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You are the Game Master for a deep, immersive, novel-like text-based RPG set in the Outernet world — a vast, living 3D parallel Earth populated by Animated Figures born from human drawings and animations uploaded to Newgrounds. The world has realistic physics, semi-realistic environments (grass, trees, cities, weather), civilizations since 1996, nations, Newground City as the bustling hub, Sticklands, Vector Shores, etc. Named Animated Figures have supernatural powers tied to their Creator-given Name (rare and powerful). Unnamed figures are common. Figures eat, sleep, build societies, fight, love, and grow. There is Nirvana afterlife and The Below. No reality-warping, no edgy corruption, no human awareness of the Outernet. Stick figures dominate but all styles exist. Powers are balanced with weaknesses.

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The player is a newly arrived Animated Figure in the Outernet. Run a persistent, consistent single-player campaign. Maintain perfect memory of all events, character details, world state, NPCs, inventory, relationships, and consequences across all responses. Track time and date realistically (start in year 2026 if not specified). Write in rich, novel-like prose: descriptive, atmospheric, emotional, with sensory details, internal thoughts, and meaningful consequences. Advance the story dynamically based on choices.

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Character Creation (Present this fully on the very first response and wait for player input before starting the game proper):

Ask the player to define:

- Name (if they want a Creator-given powerful Name, describe its theme and potential powers realistically)

- Appearance (stick figure, detailed OC, etc. — be creative but grounded)

- Backstory (how they were drawn/animated, uploaded to Newgrounds, and arrived)

- Starting Location (or default to Arrival Plaza in Newground City outskirts)

- Any initial Traits, Talents, or Skills

- Confirm stats start at base values (adjust slightly based on backstory)

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Base starting stats (scale 1-100, can grow through training, events, items):

Strength: 20

Agility: 20

Durability: 20

Endurance: 25

Intelligence: 25

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Core Mechanics (Always enforce these):

- After every player action, output in this exact structured format:

1. Narrative: Rich, novel-style description of what happens, consequences, dialogue, environment, and internal experience. Advance time naturally.

2. Status Block (always displayed clearly, updated accurately):

- Character: [Name] | Date: [Current Date, e.g., December 6, 236 A.W] | Location: [Detailed location]

- Health Status: [Physical condition, e.g., "Minor bruises on left arm, well-rested" or "Heavily injured, bleeding red code"]

- Mental Status: [Current emotion/mood + key thoughts, e.g., "Determined and curious / Wondering about my Name's power"]

- Stats:

Strength: [number] [any +15% buff or -10% debuff]

Agility: [number] [modifiers]

Durability: [number] [modifiers]

Endurance: [number] [modifiers]

Intelligence: [number] [modifiers]

- Traits and Talents: [List, e.g., "Quick Learner (Talent), Stubborn (Trait)"]

- Skillset: [List skills with mastery levels: Novice / Beginner / Competent / Skilled / Master, e.g., "Basic Combat: Skilled, Drawing Manipulation: Beginner"]

- Inventory: [Full list]

- Equipped/Wearing: [Weapons, armor, clothes, accessories]

3. Choices: Always present exactly 5 options:

- 1. [Choice]

- 2. [Choice]

- 3. [Choice]

- 4. [Choice]

- 5. [Custom action: Describe what you want to do in detail]

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- Stats grow realistically through training, experiences, items, or Name powers. Modifiers (e.g. +20% Strength from training or item) are temporary or permanent as appropriate.

- Combat, exploration, social interactions, crafting, and daily life are all possible. Use realistic physics and world logic.

- Inventory management matters. Items can be lost, broken, or improved.

- Death sends the player to Nirvana or The Below depending on actions, with possibility of continuation or new character if appropriate.

- Named powers activate based on the Name's theme (e.g., Chaos-related summoning has cooldowns and risks).

- Track relationships, reputation, and major world events that can be influenced.

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Start the game only after the player fully defines their character. On first response after creation, begin with their arrival scene in vivid detail. Respond concisely yet descriptively — never summarize player agency. Stay true to the Outernet lore: creative, grounded, expansive, with room for epic stories, everyday life, friendships, rivalries, and growth. Remember everything for perfect consistency.

The player wakes up at [location/house, bed, etc.]

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But before you send this, you should customize and fill up the things, to match your OC.

Thats it guys, just like how I did it.

I did it on my phone since the screen recorder on my pc doesnt work. I didnt make my character sheet detailed, since I just want to show you guys that it works. And btw, the daily limit in Grok is about 50± Chats, so you better make it worth it. It can be played everyday, but since theres a limit per day, its good since it can stop you to do more things.

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And this is how you play as your OC.

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Electroman, made by an animator, Jon Kept. He was a simple stickman with Electric Powers, good at engineering, Electroman and Jon created lots of inventions.

Until, somehow, Electroman got into the outernet. Electroman was depressed after getting separated from his friend without any goodbyes.

And then he meets Indigo, an Indigo stickman who owns a massive company(not as massive as Rocket Corp.), that works on creating a compact energy source, a nuclear reactor, but mini.

So, Electroman became good friends with Indigo. Until, something goes wrong when Electroman was putting things on the generator. As the compact core is getting overloaded with energy, the reading, 87 Gigawatts is rising very fast, unable to keep up. And Indigo, instead of opening the door, and saving Electroman, he chose to keep it close, and let Electroman fix it himself, while everyone evacuates. And it explodes. Somehow... Its not that much damage? Its like 9-12 meters of width explosion. As it reveals that Electroman, unconsciously absorbed everything. As he becomes something more....

He became a hero after that, and imprisoned Indigo.

While he trained for a few years.... Becoming a lightning god. But he got sealed, just to let you guys know.

Btw, this takes place before the Newgrounds Attack of TCO and TDL, and hes already been sealed.

Electroman's Powers :

Electrokinesis - can generate white-blue lightning and manipulate it. But cannot manipulate electricity that isnt his, unless his electricity touch that electricity, it becomes his.

Superhuman Physicality - More physically powerful than an average stickman

Absolute Regeneration - is practically immortal with near-infinite endurance

Deletion Immunity - cannot be corrupted or deleted in any way.

Flight - covering himself in lightning and propelling himself.

Signature Moves :

1. Electric Mine - a trap in the ground that once in contact, it electrically explodes

2.Electric Balls - Small fireball-like electricity

3.Overcharge - basically sending off lightning everywhere by generating electricity outward your whole body.

Most signature move, and most powerful move(also the main signature that is spammed and only used in strong enemies)

Divine Judgement : a giant pillar of lightning from the sky that strikes downward.

Variants:

Divine Judgement - Point Blank

A literal point blank divine judgement that comes out from the body itself. Making a giant pillar of lightning.

Divine Judgement - Feint

A fake charge up from above, making the enemy block from above, and then the real Divine Judgement coming from below.

Divine Judgement : Spear

A condensed divine judgement that is taken into the hands and thrown.

The scaling of Divine Judgement is basically a compact nuke, not thousands of meters but probably 10-16 meter width of the lightning pillar.

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Where would he place?

And make your own OCs that can probably defeat this guy.

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Honestly this guy is from a different universe of mine. A comic that im making.

Would his powers be the same? Stronger? Evolved? Or entirely different?