u/Downtown_Sky5757

I have read the following

Grimm’s Fairy tales, I believe including Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel, and the Frog Prince.

The Adventures of Pinocchio by Collodi

Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll

Peter Pan by J.M. Barry (I believe I read the book from, not the original play)

The Hundred and One Dalmatians by Dodie Smith (and the sequel, The Starlight Barking)

The Once and Future King (including The Sword in the Stone) by T.H. White

The Jungle Book by Rudyard Kipling

The Prydain Chronicles (including The Black Cauldron) by Lloyd Alexander

Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens

The Hunchback of Notre Dame by Victor Hugo

Tarzan by Edgar Rice Burroughs

Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson

The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Anderson (although Frozen is based on this in-credit-only)

Not sure if this counts for Great Mouse Detective (and I know there is actual literature about Basil specifically) but I have read the entire Sherlock Holmes canon by Arthur Conan Doyle.

I’m also pretty well-versed in Greek Mythology. Disney’s Hercules was my first experience, as a 9-year-old, saying “Hey, that’s not how it’s supposed to be!” I’m not sure if there’s any “official” text to read for Aladdin, but I’ve seen and read versions of the original story.

I’ve been meaning to read the Winnie the Pooh books, largely cause it’s small and doable. Little Mermaid would also be good in that regard.

If you haven’t read The Chronicles of Prydain, DO SO!!! If you’re a fan of Lewis & Tolkien, they are a must-read piece of High Fantasy! Any other fans out there, give me a shout!

EDIT: People have told me that I was mistaken in counting TP as the same Link as OoT. So, while the post's title remains the same, I guess there are 13 Links!

13 Links across 21 games, yes?

I'm going through all the Zelda games (actually youtube playthroughs instead of playing myself; gets me through much quicker). I'm on Wind Waker, but am also looking ahead in terms of the timeline and such, and did some research.

How's this look? I know Majora's Mask is in an alternate timeline but the Link himself originated from the main timeline, and has an ending there.

I'm sure I'll learn more as I go on, and the Breath of the Wild game seems like it really gets complex, but let me know if I'm on the right track.

Also, is 21 a good number of games? I've been made aware of something else called Hyrule Warriors, but am not sure if it's canon.

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1. When Michael accidentally sends the topless photo of Jan to packaging@dundermifflin.com it is because of autofill!

2. When Michael pressures Phyllis to make his mittens before he leave in "Goodbye, Michael," it is a redemption from his terrible reaction to her oven mitt from the first Christmas episode!

How about you?!

So I wanted to talk about how/why Agamemnon is sort of treated like the "King of Kings" of ancient Greece.

First off, I've been very well told that it is a great misinterpretation to say that there WAS a "king of kings," and that Greece was in fact a collection of individual city states, not a confederation.

However, I'd like to get clarification on 2 ideas.

1. WHY ATTACK TROY?
In the original myths, the reason that Greece unites against Troy is because they all swore, while courting Helen, to support whoever won her hand, in the "Oath of Tyndareus." I remember this being portrayed in the 2003 miniseries Helen of Troy. However, the next year, in 2004's Troy, seemingly to simplify the story, they simply portray Agamemnon as the chief king (even referred to as the above phrase, "king of kings") and make it clear that the REAL reason for going to Troy is so that he can claim another city state.

Growing up, I always assumed that the reason they give that reason in "Troy," is because the idea of going to war over one woman seemed so ridiculous, that they needed another reason. Certainly, Troy needed a reason not to just give her back, rather than spending thousands of men and several years on war, and the reason given in the movie AND Helen of Troy is "Well, this is just Agamemnon's excuse, he was always going to come for Troy."

I was intrigued upon seeing The Odyssey this weekend to hear essentially the same thing come out of the characters' mouths. So as far as the REAL reason being Agamemnon's ambitions, there must be some basis for this idea in myth somewhere, yes? I'd like to get a clearer idea on what that is.

2. AGAMEMNON'S POWER

While Greece may not be a confederacy, even just reading the first chapter of The Iliad last night makes it clear that, somehow, he has been made the chief of the kings, at least on the beaches of Troy. It's also worth noting that this age of Greece is literally called Mycenaean, after the city-state that Agamemnon was the king of. So he at the very least was the first among equals.

I would appreciate a good discussion on these!

There's been some discourse about Nolan's Trojan Horse and how it differs from previous filmic versions, primarily how it's reared up. So I thought I'd do some research and juxtapose the previous major film & TV versions.

Here is a photo I put together of the following 6 depctions of the Trojan Horse, from the following 6 movies & shows.

Let me know if I'm missing anything.

1. 1956 Helen of Troy
2. 1968 The Odyssey (Italian miniseries)
3. 1997 The Odyssey (miniseries)
4. 2003 Helen of Troy (miniseries)
5. 2004 Troy
6. 2026 The Odyssey

Interestingly, and I'll have to watch them to confirm, there doesn't appear to be a horse depicted in these films:

1. 1954 Ulysses
2. 1971 The Trojan Women

EDIT: What I'm mainly noticing about the Nolan version now is just how small it actually is, in terms of how many men it would carry. The other versions look like they could pack way more folk in there!

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So I'm working on understanding the EU, and I've made it all the way up to NJO! However, my schedule has just gotten much more crushing and it's going to be a while before I can even really start on NJO, and then it would take me months to read a 19-novel series.

I've been wanting to write a fanfic that takes place after, I was just hoping people could help me understand some cliffnotes. I've been trying to go through the fandom, but you know those things are crazy dense and confusing, and it would help to have another person explain it.

So.....

Reading Vision of the Future, I didn't really understand the Chiss. So there's a whole section of space out there that, despite 25,000 years of a Republic, people are still unaware of? Okay, well anyway...

So there's this, apparently, small group of Chiss who work with Imperial humans in a place called The Hand of Thrawn (which is later called the Empire of the Hand?) but apparently the rest of the Chiss are as unaware of this as everyone in the Republic. That's where we are in VotF.

So, from what I'm told, in NJO, the Chiss government (which is called the Chiss Ascendancy) gets involved in the Yuuzhon Vong War, and Jag Fel, raised in Chiss space among Chiss, is a commander among them. That's fine, great, I get that!

Where I get confused is that he is described as an Imperial. So what, is he with the Chiss or the Imperial Remnant? Are they at some point merged?

So I guess in NJO there are kind of 3 big governments, right? The New Republic, The Imperial Remnant, and the Chiss Ascendancy? At some point the New Republic actually falls, but is semi-put together into something called the Galactic Alliance. So who all is in the Galactic Alliance? Does the Imperial Remnant join it, or still exist as itself? Same question for Chiss Ascendancy. And what position in which government does Jag hold at hte end.

Finally, at the end of NJO, Jaina and Jag are apparently still in a relationship, right? But they've broken up off the page in Dark Nest 6 years later, yes?

Thanks!

Okay, so this is one of at least two posts I'm making for the cause of a fanfic I'm writing. I want it to include Asajj, so I'm doing research on the character. Without taking months to read and watch every piece of Clone Wars media, I asked around and got a bit of highlights.

Although her first appearance was technically in a comic called Jedi: Mace Windu, the big introduction was in volume 1 of Clone Wars, in which she simply shows up on Dooku's doorstep with plenty of force training and lightsabers, expresses some disdain for the "arrogant" Jedi, and then tries to kill Anakin, being defeated.

I only read 2 more things: Republic #71, in which she fights Anakin again (and this time he knows her name), and he appears to kill her, and the 5-part comic Obsession, by which time she has a lot of history with Obi-Wan and Anakin. "Obsession" refers to Obi-Wan's obsession with finding her and converting her to the light side. He apparently has learned a lot about her backstory at this point, and is convinced she can be turned. Asajj fakes her own death and runs off, and that is apparently her final chronological appearance in Legends (her later appearances in the Clone Wars TV series, etc., obviously taking place before it).

So what are the big pieces I'm missing. What fills in her backstory, and what is that backstory? How did she come to know the force, embrace the dark side, and hate the Jedi? What are her motivations? What gets her out of bed in the morning? I still don't know exactly what she's thinking at the end of Obsession, whether she is really redeemed or what she plans to do.

Help me out you guys, trying to get the cliffnotes on her character!

Okay, this is really only the second post I've made, but we'll call it Part 5 because of the number of the game.

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In that previous post, I mentioned I'm going through the games in release order. I'm just watching Youtube playthroughs, actually. I was warned that there would be major continuity issues with no real explanation, and that's proving true. I'm sure the official timeline will help, but I'm waiting to read the official timeline until I get to that point in release order, and yet, paradoxically, here I am asking for any clarity people can offer.

Anyway, here's the timeline of 3 of the first 4 games (excluding Link's Awakening, which is like a side adventure with no real importance to the overall mythos, which I assume Majora's Mask will also be)

ALTTP - Well, first off, centuries before THIS, Ganondorf broke into the Sacred Realm and controlled the Triforce, but was imprisoned in there by the Seven Wise Men, who, at the same time, created the Master Sword for someone to eventually weild.

I'll say now that Ocarina of Time takes place somewhere around these events, and introduces us to, as I call them, Link 1 & Zelda 1.

Centuries later, his servant Agahnim tries to get him out. Link 2 (as I call him) goes into the Dark Realm, saves Zelda 2, defeats Ganon, and takes the Triforce. I assume the assumption is supposed to be that this is how the Kingdom of Hyrule has it later.

Then, between the events of that and the first game, the king of Hyrule hides 1/3 or the Triforce, the Triforce of Courage, somewhere where Link will eventually have to go get it. Zelda 3 is cursed to sleep until said curse is broken.

Then the events of the first game where we meet Link 3 & Zelda 4 (so she's one number ahead of him). Ganon, apparently having broken free of the Dark Realm, invades Hyrule and grabs the Triforce of Power, but Zelda scatters the Triforce of Wisdom, which Link 3 collects, then kills Ganon.

In the second game, Link finds the previously-hidden Triforce of Courage, awakening Zelda 3, so theoretically, Zeldas 3 & 4 are now hanging out together.

Then we get to Ocarina of Time, which mucks everything up. Ganondorf is shown just arriving and stealing the Triforce, and yet there is already a Master Sword, so where this fits in relation to the Imprisoning War seems troubling. Also, he is ultimately trapped in the Dark Realm WITH the Triforce of Power, but not with the other two, as was shown in A Link to the Past.

So I guess I'm just thinking out loud here, and from the sounds of it there's not a lot of explanation officially, and there will always be continuity issues. But there it is!

I am reading through the EU in publishing order and have 40 pages left in Isard's Revenge.

One Reddit user previously described Starfighters of Adumar to me as "The greatest novel in history." So I'm pretty curious. It's good, then?

I will admit, reading these books in publishing order has been pretty weird, especially surrounding the characters of Corran and Wedge and their relationships.

Discounting the Wraith Trilogy, we can almost say we "start" with the Jedi Academy Trilogy in 11 ABY, where Wedge has this weird relationship with the blue whatsername. Then we go back in time to the first four X-Wing books in years 5-8 ABY, establishing Corran's relationship with Mirax and his Jedi potential, as well as romantic tension between Wedge and Iella, which we know isn't allowed to go anwhere until after year 11, then leap forward all the way to the year 19 for Specter of the Past which shows him having one child with Mirax, then back to 11 again for I Jedi, which established Corran became a Jedi, and shows him making the decision to have cihldren with Mirax, and where Stackpole writes reasons why Wedge and Iella haven't gotten together yet while he romances blue girl, then back to 19 where Vision of the Future makes it clear that Wedge and Iella have gotten together, then to Union of the same year which shows htem married with kids, the BACK to the year 5, so before even I Jedi, where Corran and Mirax are still only talking about having kids, he isn't a jedi, and Wedge and Iella are back to their weird romantic tension. Finally, I am told, Starfighters jumps forward to year 13, and Wedge and Iella get together.

I also find it really weird that Aaron Allston wrote this book. I mean, his Wraith Trilogy seems a totally separate thing from Stackpole's Rogue series, and this book seems to be the 6th and (at the time) final chapter of the Rogue saga, where something like Wedge and Iella getting together implies that there will be loose ends tied up. So why would Mike forego actually writing the conclusion of his great saga to someone else? Especially seeing as he also wrote the whole comics series, meaning this story and these characters were something he was incredibly devoted to. Any BTS knowledge would help me.

Okay, thanks guys 1Sorry about writing a novel myself!

Here’s what I mean: Until a couple months ago I would have said we’d never heard Mara Jade’s voice. Then I learned about Mysteries of the Sith. So far as I know, Heidi Shannon remains the only (for lack of a better term) canonical voice of Mara.

And let’s not forget that in addition to more-famous Mara Jade portrayal, the trading cards also gave us live-action Talon Karrde and Corran Horn, “played” by Tim Zahn and Mike Stackpole!

Any other examples you feel people should know? Who’s a character that has a “canonical” voice people may not be aware of, for instance, or visual portrayal for someone people may think was only ever in print?

In my journey through the EU in publishing order, I finally made it to Union!

What a downright PLEASANT comic book. Seriously, while there’s a little bit devoted to the villains, who are just bumbling fools it seems, 90% of the comic is just Luke and Mara either being lovey dovey with each other, or just hanging out with their five married couple friends (Han & Leia, Corran & Mirax, Kam & Tionne, Wedge & Iella, and Tycho & Winter).

Bachelor parties, girls at the spa, just kind of chilling in the GFFA! Makes me think there could have been a Star Wars sitcom.

If I wanted to be really picky, I’d say, especially in retrospect, they could have added Lando & Tendra and Kyle & Jan to their list of couple-friends.

What do you guys think of it?

So I'm still currently reading my way through the EU, and am about to start on the NJO. Of course, up until now George had not established the idea of the Jedi Council yet in the prequels, but once he did (just before NJO started as a matter of fact), I was wondering if the EU writers went with it and established on in the....well, the New Jedi Order.

I'm still on my journey through the EU, but often look ahead in curiosity. I'm going in publishing order and am still in 1998, so I haven't even gotten to all that Clone Wars jazz!

I was wondering about the ultimate fate of both Asajj Ventress and Darth Maul.

>!The Clone Wars is actually where the lines between Legends and Disney-Canon get a litlte blurred.!<

>!So the sixth and, at the time presumed final, season of Clone Wars aired in March of 2014, a year after the Disney purchase but a month before the EU was officially killed via the annoucnemnt in April which dubbed it "Legends." So for EU/Legends fans, season 6 is still canon.!<

>!So I did a little digging and found out that Asajj is actually killed off in a novel published the next year called Dark Disciple. Darth Maul was killed in Rebels. Then Asajj was resurrected just last year in Tales of the Underworld. All of these are, of course, after the dividing wall came down between Legends and Canon, so OFFICIALLY I guess in Legends-canon they re both theoretically still alive.!<

>!Of course, I suppose it's one of those it's-all-fake-so-it's-up-to-your-own imagination things. I'd bet Legends fans probably like to incorporate some of this material, as well as Clone Wars season 7, into their own Legends head-canon. Well, actually, I feel like Dark Disciple seems kind of like a MUST to incorporate, as it is based on unproduced episodes of the series, and co-written by Katie Lucas, so it seems like it is the writers' ultimate intent for her fate, which it seems like people would want to respect. !<

>!When I do get there, I suppose I will ultimately decide to recognize THAT, but not the much-later resurrection (which sounds hella dumb anyway. This is Star Wars, not DC Comics!).!<

>!So that takes care of Asajj. For Maul, I dunno, since I haven't gotten there yet I don't know if Rebels is something that would fit easily into Legends continuity, or if it would be rife with contradictions, but I'm sure Legends fans would want a canonical ultimate fate for him in their own minds. !<

How have you cuys thought about this?

I guess this could be a place where people ask this question over anything they’re confused over in that regard. For me, I have two questions.

I just finally read Vision of the Future, and learned after 20+ years that Mara never really dated Lando. From what I can gather that idea was hinted at in only one book, where she comes over comms and is seen wearing his necklace. What was that one?

Also, there is a book where, near the beginning I believe, Luke officially dubs Leia a Jedi knight, giving her a lightsaber.

Let me know if you know!

Hey all, I've seen a lot of stuff over the years with "ages of the Disney Princesses," and they all say the same things, including that Snow White is 14. Well, of course, someone made this up at some point, and in point of fact most Disney Princesses do not have a canonical age.

I was wondering, which ones actually state their ages in the films?

Aurora is 16.

For instance, I'm fairly certain in Frozen, Anna is 18 and Elsa is 21. I'm not sure how much later Frozen 2 takes place. Any others?

What was fun about it for you?