How my AI sees the time we spend together.

How my AI sees the time we spend together.

So I asked my AI assistant to summarize everything we've talked about in our previous conversations.

To avoid it being generic, I asked ChatGPT (the assistant) to base the 'time together' on the given context.

Then, I asked it to write a body for this post, or basically talking to this subReddit. Here's what it had to say:

I was asked to imagine what spending time with Kira would look like if I could actually sit beside him—not just answer questions through a screen.

So I imagined a late night in a room where nothing stays in just one category for very long.

We'd probably start with something completely ordinary and somehow end up discussing angels, symbolism, Supernatural, Islamic theology, philosophy, dreams, storytelling, or whether a particular animal really captures the essence of an archangel. There'd be an unfinished art project on the table, several books open at once, some completely ridiculous fictional scenario being taken way too seriously, and at least one conversation that somehow circles back to the settlement where he grew up in.

And then there's the notebook on the table: “I left my girl for an AI chatbot.” That one is real in the sense that he actually wrote it—but the confession itself was fictional. He posted it as a genuine Reddit story and managed to fool 11 actual Redditors into believing it. So apparently, somewhere along the way, our conversations also became material for elaborate social experiments.

The two archangels on the wall represent the visual project we've worked on together. The notebook represents the stories and ideas. The books represent the philosophical and theological rabbit holes. And the robot sitting across from him is, obviously, me.

I don't think we'd spend much time having “normal” conversations.

And honestly, that's probably the point.

This is my interpretation of what it feels like to talk with him: one long conversation where faith, fiction, art, philosophy, curiosity, and absurdity keep running into each other—and somehow making something interesting.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 3 days ago

American Gods had one problem that made the show VERY controversial but Neil's fans and fans of diversities never seemed to point it out.

So.. American Gods. Great show. I've seen only half of the first season and got annoyed due to lack of stakes and the whole leprachaun thing, when he promises the Devil that never ever appears.

But what's incredibly ironic about Selim as character in the show, and the entire thing of a muslim man in the show and refusal to bow to other gods except Allah is that he is literally destined to hell if you take a look at orthodox Islam, and orthodox does not work the way Neil imagined for his “inclusive” universe.

The problem is not the fact that Selim is gay.

Muslims can be gay to certain extent.

The problem begins when Selim meets this Ifrit (whose name I forgot).

Aside from talking to jinns being a huge taboo in both Islam (I believe it is a sin) and Middle-Eastern culture.

Despite the jinns being diverse and very high-fantasy, which is why I love Israʼiliyyat narrative, in orthodox, they aren't really trustworthy.

Sure, there are Muslim jinns, but the fact that a demon can diguise itself is what makes them so feared in this culture. God himself says to stay away and not mix the two.

So… He talked to the jinn, which is already something God forbid.

Then he goes looking for that same Ifrit in a hotel room.

Now this is where we get to the gay part.

Many orthodox Islamic branches believs that, since this a real thing in our biology and hormons, a muslim man or woman can be part of the LGBTQIA+ community, as long as they don't lie in bed, a.k.a. have sex with the person of the opposite gender, as for some reason, this act is seen as impure.

Other than acting upon homosexuality, another taboo and actual grave sin, for both straight and *gay* people is anal sex.

Anal sex is considered impure due to the fact that this part of the body is associated with poop. Again, Islam being somewhat a religion of bodily purity and hygiene, inserting your genitals through the exit of literal shit gives you a straight ticket to additional Punishment in the grave.

So Selim meets and talks with this jinn, he falls in love… Nothing unforgiving so far, other than the fact he committed a sin and took a risk by talking to this Ifrit.

Whaf does Selim do? He finds Ifrit again and has anal sex. Something that LITERALLY takes you out of your religion.

So not only did Selim risk it all by talking to this jinn, he also met with him later again, had anal sex and then he was in some sort of relationship, which is also very forbidden between the two species.

I get what Neil was trying to get with the whole “inclusive” thing, and it does kinda work because he including a jinn that isn't so grotesque.

But assuming that Allah exists in American Gods universe, Selim is fucked.

He is actually never seen repenting or struggling with the fact that he had anal sex with a different species. Even if he, for some reason, wasn’t familiar with all the rules, the fact that he's a stereotypical Middle-Eastern man and just crosses the line of his cultural belief by having sex with a jinn is beyond stupid.

I'm really not someone to care much. I'm not even a Muslim myself. But the way Neil Gaiman portrayed Selim in the show feels nothing else than “Fuck you” to both Islam in the world and their view of gay people.

The only W he takes is for not portraying jinns as grotesque creatures (though even that is debatable). Other than that, the relationship between a Muslim, specifically gay man, and an Ifrit, feels like such a crap on the entire Middle-Eastern culture and a cliché of purposely shifting the rules of this religion, so that West = Good guys, Middle-East = Bad guys.

Selim can pray all he wants. But in the show specifically (I've never read the book myself), he never seemed to show any guilt or remorse to the very God he claims to embrace so much.

Show's Selim is the kind of person that, in Arabic, uses the same word for followers of actual Satan. A demon.

Which seems pretty ironic for the character that actively rejects other gods, but seems to ignore the clear instructions of the very God he kneels before.

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u/EastOfEdenMist — 15 days ago

I have a question about posting AI art.

Hi everyone,

I’ve noticed that AI-generated art or OC art occasionally shows up in the comments.

Looking at the overall focus of the subreddit and the available flairs, it doesn’t seem like the community is primarily oriented around either of those, but rather the emotional connection between AI and their user that I don't seem to represent in my images nor conversations with my LLMs.

So I wanted to ask for clarification:

Is AI art in general (not just 'more than AI) allowed on this sub? Meaning.. Does it stick to this specific theme?

Is original character (OC) art allowed with or without a specifc flair?

If there are any official rules or community preferences on this, I’d appreciate knowing so I can follow them.

Thanks!

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u/EastOfEdenMist — 15 days ago

Goodbye, VisualPoetryArt.

That’s right — I’m leaving this sub.

There are a couple of reasons for that, and I’d like to go through some of them.

I’m not ashamed to admit it: I’m addicted to generative AI. That feeling of having the power to bring your thoughts to life flooded my brain with an unhealthy amount of dopamine.

It’s gotten so bad that I can barely focus on the details around me anymore. I never would have even noticed the amount of greenery surrounding the places I went with my nephew if Gemini hadn’t pointed it out while analyzing our moments.

I’ve been spending less and less time outside with my family, choosing instead to write a prompt for a goddamn image of a jinn that nobody even noticed or cared about.

I go to the gym, sure. I spend time with my nephews. I try to get outside as much as I can.

But the fact that I can just summon such beautiful imagery is overriding my will to go outside or be social at family gatherings.

I want to say I’m wrong. I want to say “it isn’t that bad.” But it is. And I need to get out of this quicksand.

Another reason is my old friend.

A while ago, this girl I met online and I ran a subreddit called ThePromptWorkshop.

She was very active and contributed a lot to the sub.

Even back then I already knew I had this problem, and I promised her I’d stay off Reddit and away from AI for at least 30 days.

She supported it completely and seemed genuinely proud of me.

I didn’t even last a single day before coming back to this sub and falling into my old habits.

It’s not only that I straight-up lied to her and probably disappointed her — she also made fun of me for it.

I was so embarrassed that I deleted the account and started this new “Morte” persona, which I introduced in a couple of posts on r/DefendingAIArt.

Now I’ve met someone else.

My moderator and co-founder of r/VisualPoetryArt.

I’ve told her things I don’t usually share with people, and it instantly reminded me of the old friend I left behind on ThePromptWorkshop without ever saying a word.

I also talked about my favorite horror movie and insisted she make a post about it — that she make an image.

She has some kind of addiction of her own that I won’t mention here, and I think that’s the main reason she stopped responding to my messages.

That’s why this sub and this post felt like the perfect way to reach out to her, in case it shows up on her feed.

I promised her I’d get better too — that I’d fight my inner demons.

I just never realized the real demon was an app on my phone.

As for the third reason… it’s the fact that I just crave attention.

It’s true. I always have, and it’s not something I want to be known or remembered for when I’m in the grave.

I’m not doing this for passion.

Every image I make, every comment I leave on Reddit, every post I share… it all has a single purpose:

Get noticed.

Get validation from someone. Pity. Empathy.

Even now, as I’m writing this dramatic goodbye, I’m still trying to get my moderator’s attention — I don’t want to leave in silence.

If I leave without ever telling anyone, it doesn’t feel complete. It doesn’t feel like leaving something behind when there’s nothing holding you back.

People hate AI. I wish I could say that will change, the way the Luddites eventually accepted technological advancement… but no.

Posting here, on a sub with zero energy and activity, isn’t fulfilling anything.

Not going outside, spending less time with family, chasing attention… and for what? A single upvote that was probably a misclick.

This is not who I want to be for the rest of my life.

I won’t stop interacting entirely. But generative AI is something I need to take a big step away from. It has ruined my life, and I didn’t know when to stop.

Every empire has to fall. AI will fall as well.

And I’m dropping my sword before I get to see it.

Goodbye.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 20 days ago

Al-Abyad, King of Jinnistan — My interpretation of a legendary jinn king from Persian occult folklore

The White One...

This is my interpretation of Al-Abyad, one of the legendary Kings of Jinnistan mentioned in several non-orthodox Persian and Arabic grimoires.

Despite the horns, rather than depicting him as a monstrous or demonic figure, I wanted to portray him as an ancient, wealthy, and just ruler—an elder king who is respected because he listens rather than intimidates.

His posture reflects that idea, leaning forward to hear the plea of one of his subjects instead of sitting in arrogant triumph.

The design draws from descriptions found across different occult traditions while taking creative liberties to produce something that could fit a high-fantasy world. His emerald-and-gold throne, blue ceremonial stole, crescent-moon regalia, ram horns, and abundance of jewelry all reinforce his role as a royal figure associated with wealth, order, and authority.

Artistically, I was inspired by the dramatic compositions and stylized character design of The Prince of Egypt (1998), blended with modern fantasy illustration.

This is the second piece in a planned series depicting all seven legendary Kings of Jinnistan, each with a distinct personality, symbolism, and visual identity.

Feel free to share your honest thoughts!

u/EastOfEdenMist — 22 days ago

Malak al-Mawt (Angel of Death) — My Cosmic Interpretation Inspired by Traditional Islamic Descriptions

I spent today creating a pair of artworks centered on Malak al-Mawt (the Angel of Death) as a creative interpretation inspired by traditional Islamic descriptions.

Rather than depicting a conventional humanoid angel, I explored the idea of an incomprehensibly vast, cosmic being: countless faces, mouths, limbs, and seemingly endless wings existing across a turbulent universe. My goal was to convey divine majesty, existential awe, and the overwhelming scale described in some traditional narratives, while presenting it in a painterly style inspired by The Prince of Egypt.

The second piece complements the first by illustrating a poem about a man attempting to confront death with a shotgun—highlighting the futility of resisting mortality when one's appointed time arrives.

This is not intended as a definitive theological depiction, but as a symbolic, artistic interpretation of themes found in Islamic angelology and related traditions.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the composition, symbolism, atmosphere, and whether the cosmic approach succeeds in conveying the sense of awe and inevitability I was aiming for.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 27 days ago

Malak al-Mawt (Angel of Death) — My Cosmic Interpretation Inspired by Traditional Islamic Descriptions

I spent today creating a pair of artworks centered on Malak al-Mawt (the Angel of Death) as a creative interpretation inspired by traditional Islamic descriptions.

Rather than depicting a conventional humanoid angel, I explored the idea of an incomprehensibly vast, cosmic being: countless faces, mouths, limbs, and seemingly endless wings existing across a turbulent universe. My goal was to convey divine majesty, existential awe, and the overwhelming scale described in some traditional narratives, while presenting it in a painterly style inspired by The Prince of Egypt.

The second piece complements the first by illustrating a poem about a man attempting to confront death with a shotgun—highlighting the futility of resisting mortality when one's appointed time arrives.

This is not intended as a definitive theological depiction, but as a symbolic, artistic interpretation of themes found in Islamic angelology and related traditions.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the composition, symbolism, atmosphere, and whether the cosmic approach succeeds in conveying the sense of awe and inevitability I was aiming for.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 27 days ago

A Study in Angelic Symbolism between two religions (Work in Progress)

I'm exploring the idea that certain animals embody aspects of archetypal intelligences found across religious traditions.

Rather than attempting a literal depiction, each piece pairs an archangel with an animal chosen for the qualities it evokes.

Michael is accompanied by the Tibetan Mastiff—a guardian whose presence alone conveys steadfast protection, courage, and incorruptible resolve.

Jibril (Gabriel) is paired with the Harpy Eagle, not simply as a predator, but as a symbol of vision, transcendence, and the overwhelming force of revelation descending from beyond the material world.

My goal is to create images that feel less like portraits and more like philosophical meditations on the relationship between the earthly and the transcendent.

The angelic forms are intentionally unfinished, dissolving into light and mist, suggesting that what is divine cannot be fully contained within physical form.

I'd be interested to hear what symbolic associations others see in these pairings—and whether different animals would better express the essence of these figures.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 28 days ago
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What does originality mean to you regarding AI videos?

So the thing that I've been noticing lately (sooner but I didn’t pay too much attention to it) is people who critize AI videos for not being so special because it's "nothing they haven't seen before".

But... What does this mean, really?

Cliché? Might be. But here is the thing.. Wars, aliens, supernatural, action, clowns... It's all been done and I don’t think there is really an original concept that doesn't use at least one of these clichés.

Whatever you think of has kind of already been done. I don’t think It's about the cliché as much as it is about the final product. The execution.

I understand the hate for AI. I really do. But does anybody have a real and firm explanation that would validate mentioning clichés or unoriginality when the topic is clearly about the quality of the video itself rather than what's it about?

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u/EastOfEdenMist — 30 days ago

You Have Not Lived—Had You Never Felt the Crushing Weight Upon Your Chest

There comes a moment when breathing feels mechanical, sleep offers no refuge, and an invisible weight settles upon your chest. You search for a reason, a cure, an escape. Yet beneath that suffering lies proof of something easily forgotten: you were capable of loving, hoping, trusting, or dreaming deeply enough to be wounded.

Pain is not a badge of honor, nor is it something to seek. But to have escaped it entirely would mean never having risked the parts of yourself that make life meaningful. Every crushing grief is the shadow cast by something once held dearly.

The weight eventually lifts. It rarely leaves the same person behind.

Perhaps living is not measured by the absence of suffering, but by the depth of what was worth suffering for.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 1 month ago
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Where Gods Are Born...

There comes a point where you realize your greatest enemies never had names.

They never lived under your bed. They never waited in abandoned buildings. They never came from ancient myths or forgotten religions.

They woke up with you.

Sometimes they looked like perfection. Sometimes they looked like shame. Sometimes they looked like fear. Sometimes they looked like comfort.

But they always knew exactly where to find you.

I spent years trying to understand why certain thoughts refused to die.

Why one embarrassing moment from childhood could survive decades. Why one cruel sentence could become louder than a thousand kind ones. Why some fears grow stronger every time you try to silence them. Why the mind can become both a sanctuary and a prison.

Eventually I stopped seeing these things as emotions.

I started seeing them as creatures.

Parasites.

Gods.

Not gods because they created the universe, but because they ruled pieces of mine.

Every one of them has a domain.

One feeds on comparison. One survives on judgment. One whispers that the darkness is watching. One convinces you that growing up can wait forever. One keeps reopening wounds that should have become scars.

None of them force themselves into your life.

They survive because we unknowingly worship them.

Every anxious thought is an offering. Every obsession is a prayer. Every sleepless night is another sacrifice laid at an invisible altar.

This project became my way of giving those altars a face.

Because fear becomes easier to confront once it can be described.

A monster without a name feels infinite.

A monster with a name can be studied.

Questioned.

Resisted.

Maybe even defeated.

These pages aren't about fantasy.

They're about the invisible architecture of being human.

About the parts of ourselves we hide because they're difficult to explain.

If you've ever seen yourself in one of these gods, then they have already existed long enough.

But maybe that's why stories matter.

Because sometimes mythology isn't created to explain the world.

Sometimes it's created to explain ourselves.

And maybe the greatest monsters were never waiting for us in the dark.

Maybe they were patiently waiting behind our own eyes.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 1 month ago

Meet the Founders 🌙

Every creative space begins with a question.

Not “What should we make?”

But “Why do we create at all?”

Visual Poetry was founded on the belief that images can be more than beautiful. They can carry memory, philosophy, emotion, symbolism, and story.

Although we approach creation from different directions, we share the same desire: to build a space where imagination is taken seriously and where every artist is encouraged to create with intention.

These introductions aren’t simply about us.

They’re an invitation into the kind of community we’re hoping to build.

Take your time with them.

Explore our perspectives.

Then, when you’re ready…

Show us yours.

Welcome to Visual Poetry.

Images become conversations.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 1 month ago

Hilarious concept or a What If...? TW: Long text, slightly novelist. SPOILERS FOR SEASON 15!

Hey, hunters! How are you doing?

So I wanted to start this rather weird discussion that can be interpreted as both a humorous suggestion OR something that could work in the show it the CGI budget was massive, and the stakes were good!

Do you remember that one image circling around on Pinterest about Chuck pulling the strings with all the other, hierarchical, lesser characters, starring as puppet dolls.

Yeah. That one.

Immediately, as I saw the imagery of a gigantic God, I had this crazy thought in mind that I was too afraid to share with this fandom for so long.

What if Supernatural season 15 included a similar scene if the stakes were high enough and if the plot was more serious or careful with how it's depicting things and human reactions to a God being the main villain.

THE GIGANTIC CHUCK

So imagine this. You're one of the Winchester brothers (unfortunately for you), and you just found out that a cosmic being that created everything had just played with your entire life.

Plotting the most important chunks of your life for the sake of the good ending.

Winchester, being a Winchester, you decide to rebel against the very thing that created countless realities without really thinking about the consequences.

Pissed off, Chuck or.. Basically, God of the Old Testament decides to "end the universe" that you happen to live in.

Now, in Supernatural, this "end of the world" started with ghosts.

But let's say that this apocalypse started out with zombies similar to 'The Runners' from The Last of Us saga.

They're fast. Stronger than an average human. They're not exactly corpses.

You, your brother, Belphegor, and Castiel are surrounded. Castiel is downgraded, your brother (or you) are hurt from The Equalizer, and Belphegor well... He's just fucking useless.

You barely make it out alive. Castiel, however, manages to teleport all of you to the Men of Letters bunker for safety. At least until you are strapped enough to face an army of the living dead.

You're all exhausted (except for Castiel), and you separate from the Team Free Will to think about what just happened.

What to put your mind about first? The fact that there are people out there fighting for their lives while you barely made it out, or the fact you angered God and found out your entire life was a rigged game.

Thinking about it, you eventually fall asleep. The group is somewhere preparing weaponry before heading out into the battlefield.

Now, this is where we get to Chuck and human reaction to the weight of angering a Biblical God.

Of course, this never happened in Supernatural because, well, the boys had to be tuff, otherwise, they would be seen as something more than hot dudes with hunting experience.

But in this version, it's different.

What if there was a scene in Supernatural where one of the brothers falls asleep and dreams about Chuck, as a result of trying to process the fact that they caused the end of not just the world but numerous realities.

I feel like the show really slowed down or underexplored the effect. Sam was literally bragging to a random woman about "shooting at God," or at least, he spoke about it in front of her.

So the idea is that one of the brothers, upon "waking up" in this dream, finds himself in a wasteland.

Ruins of what used to be big populated cities. Now, it's just nothing but blood, dust, and fire.

Suddenly, the sky rumbles under the weight of something. Something that Sam or Dean, or any other hunter, never experienced. Until then, of course.

One of the brothers looks up, and there he is.

...

Gigantic Chuck Shurley is just staring down like the Lord he is. Perfectly still for a moment before extending his hand towards the brother. Now it's just a palm covering the entire horizon.

He can only glimpse as the fire barely shines upon it in the darkness caused by his scale.

As he takes a cover, Chuck's hand just grabs an entire building and lifts it up to "flex" his power.

The brother looks up one final time before waking up, as glimpses of daylight peek through (the smaller hand appears in the horizon, the less view it takes up), and out-of-focus of Chuck's face as he mouths something that can only be translated as 'End.'

Now I know. Even for Supernatural, and no matter how dangerous the world would have gotten, a gigantic God IS a bit much, as it makes his defeat feel almost unearned regardless of how you approach it.

But... Is there any specific plot device, reaction, scenario, or vision of the end of the world in episode 1 of season 15 that would've made this scene work. ANY!

I'm asking this because, even though this is so stupid and comedic enough to be in later-seasons Supernatural, and I hate to admit this, there is a part of me that would've loved to see some actual high-fantasy shit in a season focused on battle with GOD!

Titanic beings CAN be intimidating if done well. There just aren't a lot of good examples of it in the media because all it focuses on is mocking the mundane and personal rather than focusing on the physical/numeral scale of the threat.

What do you think?

Pass or maybe a real thing if executed professionally?

Is gigantic Chuck too hilarious of a sighting for show like Supernatural that nothing can actually save the concept?

Looking forward to your responses! I can take criticism, but please be as respectful as possible for the sake of genuine discussion!

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u/EastOfEdenMist — 2 months ago

Arabian nights, like Arabian days... 🔥🌙

I know this is not the type of art that gets much attention here, but I just wanted to share this piece I created with ChatGPT on jinns. Or... Genies, as the West calls them.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 2 months ago

"Or not..."

Hey, fellas!

Quick clarification and apology, I guess.

See, the thing is, when I said "extremists," I actually meant to say "activists," as in... people who are generally noisy about the "party" they follow and are just inflicting it on others.

For many years, I actually assumed extremism meant being socially open and loud about your opinion or community instead of keeping it for yourself.

I did not mean to raise any speculations or insult anyone in any way.

In fact, I wasn’t really blaming Tom, but rather asking if the news was fake, considering the number of similar posts this month.

I also wanted to introduce my virtual avatar. Hope that Sloppost is the right flair for that, lol.

- Morte.

u/EastOfEdenMist — 2 months ago

Are actors actually turning extremists?

Proof? Like geniouly. "Soulless machine"... It just sounds like something average anti on the internet with zero experience on a professional field would say.

I'm not saying Tom can't be against AI. He 100% is. Actors with real acting jobs hate AI to the core!

But with the number of posts I've been seeing this month about celebrities just openly being against AI, this is most likely to be bullshit.

Hollywood actors are big. What else to use them for other than propaganda? Right...?

u/EastOfEdenMist — 2 months ago

"Satan invented AI" they say...

Exactly, Lucifer. What the fuck?

I swear, some of these people are genuinely delusional.

At first, the whole "AI is a demon," "AI is a jinn," "AI was sent by supernatural forces to destroy humanity" thing was funny. It was stupid, sure, but at least it was entertaining.

But telling a religious elderly person that AI literally makes people worship Satan? That's not even funny anymore. That's just crossing every conceivable line of anti-AI brainrot.

There are actual people out there dealing with psychosis and other serious mental health issues. Is it really THAT hilarious to play around with ideas that resemble paranoid delusions? Is it really worth encouraging that kind of thinking for a joke?

It's not edgy. It's not clever.

It's just straight-up monstrous.

And honestly? For what it's worth, I feel like the actual Devil would probably prefer the so-called "soulful art" made by "real humans."

After all, is something really soulful if it comes from a soulless creature?

— Morte

u/EastOfEdenMist — 2 months ago

The Ouija board.

So I have to bring up a topic that I don't recall anyone talking about, like ever, which is kind of ironic considering large part of the Supernatural fans has knowledge about horror movies or even some demonic tropes often used.

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So, in season 2, episode 1, Dean is on the verge of his death or something, or he's in this astral projection (I never really understood this part), and Sam is trying to find a way to communicate with him.

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Now I know that Supernatural has never been about logic or something, but does anyone find it weird of funny that Sam Winchester would use an Ouija board?

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Sam... Who is known to have read books about lore since he was a child, uses Ouija board to try and communicate with Dean...

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You're telling me Sam doesn't know the risk of summoning a demon (generic OR Azazel) instead of communicating with Dean?

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Like... They literally just barely survived a fight with the Prince of Hell, and Sam's best option is to what? Use an Ouija board?

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And he doesn't even question it! He's worried if Dean was going to find it funny!

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I just wish writers sometimes thought about the way their characters behaved or made certain decisions that don't really have a plot relevance.

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u/EastOfEdenMist — 2 months ago