r/ControversialOpinions

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I built a debate app for civility. Users wanted to be toxic.

So I’m obsessed with debate, I’ll be honest, and I’ve noticed, as I’m sure we all have, that discourse in recent years has gotten really toxic.

It’s either a dogpile, throwing insults, being condescending, I don’t need to rehash what I imagine we all already know.

I built an app where people could swipe on topics, get matched with someone who disagrees, and get a score on their civility. The idea was that if you’re always an asshole, your shitty civility score would follow you and no one would want to talk to you.

I added a feature in passing called toxic mode that did not judge your civility. Spew your venom, no holds barred.

That was the idea.

Every time I got an install on the app, every single user immediately jumped into toxic mode. Out of 100+ downloads, not a single person wanted to have a civil discussion. They wanted the messy version. The heated version. The version that felt more like a chaotic internet argument than a polite debate club.

So I stopped fighting it and built a lightweight browser version where you can just pick a topic and jump in:

https://thinklavender.com/ragebait

The goal is still to get people talking to people they disagree with. Maybe the first step is not making everyone perfectly civil. Maybe it is just getting them in the same room.

And if that room has to be a little toxic to get people through the door, so be it.

Would love feedback on the idea and whether this feels like something people would actually try.

u/paijim — 2 hours ago

If atheists believe that they don't deserve to get religious labels attached to them because they never signed-up for that religion, then we non-liberals shouldn't be slapped with your labels since we never signed-up for them, either.

So when religious people say things like, "It's a sin in my religion to be gay/eat meat/masturbate/get tattoos, etc. You're being a sinner." etc., a common response from the people being attacked is, "I never signed-up for your religion. If it's a sin in islam to eat pork, then that's your choice but I'm not a muslim so that law doesn't apply to me. That sounds like a you problem."

So then if that's the logic then people who never signed-up for liberal beliefs should also be immune from your labels.

It's homophobic to dislike gays? It's islamophobic to dislike muslims? It's fatphobic to be hostile towards fat people? Well tough luck I never signed-up for liberal labels.

So it goes both ways.

If "I never signed-up for your belief system = Your labels don't apply to me", then...

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u/Blue__Northen_Star — 3 hours ago

Veganism is unnatural

Vegans talking about things being "unnatural" is crazy because their whole lifestyle is unnatural since humans literally evolved to hunt. The fact that they need supplements to stay healthy is more proof that this wouldn't work for most humans in nature.

Like y'all can argue all day about the morality of it, the environmental aspect, the health part, but y'all can't say it's natural because it's not. Saying a vegan human is natural is like saying a vegan dog is natural. Sure, it can happen, but those are the exceptions and most meat eating animals prefer meat.

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u/Global_Specialist726 — 3 hours ago

World cup players actually suck.

There are no good teams, or even players, in the world cup. The vast majority of games don't even have 5 goals between both teams. A handful of games there's only 1 goal scored in the whole game. There are zero games where there are double digit scoring between the two teams. These are supposed to be the best athletes/players in the world, yet no one is scoring. It just looks like a bunch of cross country runners flailing at a ball. Hopefully in the future we can get actual soccer players into the matches.

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u/feethotterthanbewbz — 2 hours ago

k!nk shaming is valid.

i’m specifically talking about things that are generally considered illegal/ a federal crime.
i’m not gonna yuck most of y’all’s yum, but there are certain things that are OFF LIMITS.

edit; i’m really only talking about kinks like grape play, age play, and anything that has something to do with animals. i’ve seen so many ppl think that’s okay and it’s notttt, it’s disgusting, nothing about any of that is okay.

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u/IdealFrosty4086 — 13 hours ago

What is the most interesting to watch football or soccer

Just to be clear American football but rugby also counts from me

I am somewhat biased but I have some good arguments

Soccer is a psychological thriller. Continuous pressure, hidden tension, momentum shifts that feel like mental traps. One mistake doesn’t just cost a point it rewrites the entire game and the game often feels like a chess match played under stress for 90 minutes. That one moment of pure perfection is everything

Football is a action movie and a strategic war game. Explosive moments, hard contact, but underneath it is a highly structured chessboard of plays, formations, and pre-planned scenarios. Every snap is a controlled experiment: formation, matchup, execution, adjustment. Every play feels like a new battle

What do you think… and prefer

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u/Beginning-Map-3264 — 7 hours ago

Why is this even a career !!

I feel like content creation is the easy way out. There's nothing wrong with taking the easy way out or using every advantage you have, but I just feel trend-based content creation is such a dumb thing to do.

Some people are studying 8 hours a day, clearing tough exams, and literally saving lives. Meanwhile, others are lip-syncing to trending songs, getting views, and earning lakhs. Are you kidding me?

If you're creating content, at least do something motivating or educational,gym, studies, politics, literally anything that adds value. But making lip-syncing and dancing on trends your full-time job? I just don't get it.like ur biggest assets is that u can badly lip syncing to a 30sec audio ! Like seriously!

I feel these creators are overhyped and shouldn't be earning more than people like doctors, nurses, or pilots, who carry real responsibility and contribute far more to society.

So yeah, I said what I said.

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u/justsurviving747 — 4 hours ago

Why are most people so damn perverted

I swear it's everywhere. I am a dude and honestly I think that most people are addicted to porn, mainly soft porn. It's so corny it ain't even funny. Most stuff is sexualized, a lot of artists make money through making porn/lewd content.

I genuineoy think that almost half of stuff on social medias is lewd. What bothers me more are people pretending shut then, like that character DOES NOT look like that, or muscular dudes flexing or women in bikini turned 180 degrees from where they take the photo. The "I am not interested" function barely works.

It's so damn annoying. Every single media is affected by gooners and they are unending. Also irl the average guy I know is easily a porn addict, those that are not are exceptions.

Since AI most mobile games have become soft porn oriented as well. If you open instagram you straight up get whiplash for how perverted are people, and often it's disgusting how people use it to farm engagement, "Hell yeah let's do soft porn on platforms that people 12 years old+ are using" straight up fucking predatory. Kids are getting into porn always younger, I wonder why.

Also the whole "Being naked is natural" but have to spam it on social media really makes me question how some people can sleep at night. I am not a prude, but honestly we are far too deep to the other side, it's crazy.

The fact that boomers are also straight up predators often does not help.

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u/Moloc_Asterion — 8 hours ago

People might be less aggressive and less obsessed with nudity if society normalized it more

I mean, clothes are important, but putting so much effort into making separate changing rooms and washrooms just to gatekeep each other’s nude bodies feels a little too much. Obviously privacy is important, and everyone has complete rights over their own body, but we are taught to hide our bodies, and that is also why we give so much importance to hiding them.

I don’t think people would instantly become horny just because they see someone nude. Clothes don’t really hide the fact that everyone has a body underneath. It’s not like we don’t know what exists under someone else’s clothes.

Wearing clothes for fashion, protection, comfort, or many other reasons makes sense. But a society where being nude publicly when needed is not treated as a big deal, where men and women can pass by in practical spaces without making everything sexual, or where someone can change a clothes publicly and expose their body for a few moments without everyone overreacting, would probably be a better society to live in.

Homosexual people see the bodies of the gender they are attracted to every day. They don’t suddenly lose control. Doctors see our private parts, and even airport or jail security situations involve people seeing bodies in a professional context. So why do we treat basic human nudity as such a huge deal?

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u/BearingCostOfPassion — 10 hours ago

Humans are objectively ugly

Humans are honestly very ugly. I am not only talking about “ugly people”, I am talking about humans as a whole. Nobody is truly good looking nor beautiful. We as a species have disgusting bodies with disgusting faces. Some can be “sexually stimulating” but that’s it. It dosen’t make them beautiful. In fact I still find people I am turned on by to be ugly. Humans are so ugly to the point where I honestly want to cry. Babies are gross, children are not cute in anyway at all like I seriously don’t see how anyone could think otherwise. Almost all animals are disgusting as well. SOME animals tho like (insects, spiders, certain invertebrates) can be quite fascinating to look at. They are definitely not beautiful but being cool is at least something. Humans and most animals however make me wanna scream. I can’t understand the idea of finding a human beautiful. Why are humans so goddamn ugly like I generally don’t understand. Do people actually look at beauty magazine and think “I want to look like that” whole heartedly? I have googled countless times asking “Why are humans so ugly” and all that comes up is “why are some people so ugly?” Like they’re trying to imply that there are actually beautiful hairless ape things? I could go on and on but you get the point

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u/ProfessorLogic7 — 4 hours ago

The world ain't black and white, so celebrating/cancelling people is unfair.

There are no good or bad people. Every person has some good impact and some bad impact on this world. Depending on (a) society's current views and (b) what we already know about a person, the public opinion of a person can change very quickly, which is silly.

A doctor can help people pro bono in the morning and beat their kids in the evening. A mugger may take something away from someone but they may also help a stray animal in need. A celebrity may give dozens of scholarships to children in need but may also sexually assault dozens of people.

Yes, people should pay for crimes. But perhaps cancelling a person's entire life work is unfair.

Maybe the only way to address this would be to not celebrate/vilify named people, but just actions.

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u/ramessesgg — 10 hours ago

If you’re bisexual you can be in a straight relationship.

If you’re a man who dates a man, you’re in a gay relationship.
If you’re a woman that dates women, you’re in a lesbian relationship.

If you’re a bisexual woman who is dating a man, you’re in a straight relationship, same goes for a bi man with a woman, straight relationship.

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u/Massive_Tomato_1713 — 15 hours ago

Allowing cats onto kitchen counters isn’t gross

You can just … clean the counter before you cook? I feel like people that say that it’s nasty are just telling on themselves more than anything.

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u/Asleep_Tip9279 — 14 hours ago

A cashless society is destined to starve people or force them to live in farming areas to survive.

This was my first experience in a cashless store with no cashiers. I have seen them on TV and online in high tech cities. I live in the mountains at 7500 feet.

So we flew to Seattle for a World Cup game and then went to the ferry terminal to get to the beach.

In the terminal we needed some food for our elderly Dad and 8 year old kid.

So they have one kiosk that just had bagels and coffee. Everything else was sold out by 13:00. Too lazy to make more sandwiches. We want protein....

Over in the corner is this cashless market. You have to swipe $15 on your card to enter the baricades and then you grab what you want and walk out. Well there wasn't much selection in there either..... Just junk food..... only a security guard. Cameras on the ceiling track what you grab.

I had a flash in my mind that people are going to have to start loading their backpacks with emergency food just to navigate around in food deserts.

At least my local airport offers debit swipe cards in a vending machine.

Chase bank already bans crypto. What happens if they debank others or start controlling your food-carbon rations?

In Communist China and Stalin/Russia they would hide dead bodies in the household to keep getting food rations.

This cashless society can devolve and unravel so quickly. Imagine all the food is sold out by 13:00. It happened to us!!!

u/HalfwaydonewithEarth — 11 hours ago

pronouns = gender

pronouns = gender and anyone who is imposed to that probably identifies as a cat.

If you use she u are a woman
he is a man
they is non binary meaning ‘no gender, neither male/female’.

How are you using he/they. How are you a man but not. Or how are you using she/he. Are you both male and female?

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u/Massive_Tomato_1713 — 14 hours ago

ICE is good for America hear me out

Old news, but I know what’s happening in Minneapolis. People are dying. Renee, Alex Pretti all these “citizens.” Off topic from what I’m about to say, but they died because they provoked the officers. There’s videos online of Renee running a car into an ICE officer and Alex had a history of confronting/provoking ICE, you mess with the bull you get the horns, I do think ICE took it too far, they shouldn’t have been shot to death they should have at least faced legal action instead. People are saying it’s inhumane to deport people that come to our country seeking a “better future” and there are good immigrants that do that. Then there’s bad immigrants that come to vandalize, destroy and smuggle drugs. The safest thing to do is to just deport them all.

Think about Johnny Somali. Even though he went to South Korea legally, he was an asshole and he should’ve been deported. I also believe that if you commit a crime in a foreign country you should get deported to your country and legal action should happen there. Oh no! You chewed gum in Singapore! Get deported, looks like there’s no laws for gum in the US, you’re fine. And let’s say if you’re caught being a pedophile in Germany and you get 40 years in prison there, it’s better to get deported from Germany and have the USA determine your fate as if you were a pedo in the USA which would probably be a death sentence.

Also 3rd hot take. No one deserves the death sentence, people can change

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u/Feeling_Pangolin_527 — 11 hours ago

You gotta be a total wierdo to enjoy that Jackass.

*I didn't grow up on Jackass, so I wasn't prepared for what I was going to watch*

Needless to say, I walked out the theater 2 minutes within that garbage. These dudes are fucking f**s

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u/Lost_Title_7528 — 13 hours ago

I don't like it when a character's race is changed to push DEI, or some other agenda and just ended up being a prime example of tokenism.

I really don't like it when characters are changed for absolutely no reason other than being a clear excuse of tokenism.

There are MANY bad examples of raced changed characters that are deemed by many as bad representations of the original characters. For starters, we have The Little Mermaid movie in 2023, which RIGHT FROM THE GET GO had been under controversy for portraying Ariel, a character who's widely considered white be portrayed by Halle Lynn Bailey. There's also the 2025 Snow White movie, where, again, face similar inital criticism for potraying Snow White, who's been described to have skin as white as the snow be portrayed by Rachel Anne Zegler. Also, we can't forget the upcoming potrayal of Severus Snape in HBO's upcoming Harry Potter television series who, while, haven't even been released yet, already face MASSIVE criticism for casting Paapa Kwaakye Essiedu as the head of the Slytherin House. And of course, many more I couldn't mention.

That said, there are some great examples of the best race changed character is Nick Fury. He was originally white in the Marvel Comic, but Samuel L. Jackson did such a good job acting that it gave the character a new image in everyone's mind. It also helps that Nick Fury's race swap was done after Marvel's Ultimate Comics line in the early 2000s became so popular where there, Nick Fury WAS portrayed as a black man and continued to be potrayed as black in the Marvel universe ever since. Nowadays, if you tell newer Marvel fans who only know the character from the MCU movies, I can almost guarantee that they'll be shocked when you say that Nick Fury was originally white.

There's also what I'd consider a good a good race changed characters, too, like Domino in Deadpool 2. Originally, Domino has always been portrayed as white, and I mean that literally, her skin is literally white with only a considerable size black spot on her left eye area. But in Deadpool 2, when Zazie Olivia Beetz played the role, her acting was quite good, and I'd say most people would say she's an okay or good good job portraying Domino in Deadpool 2.

In my opinion, those two characters are two out of maybe only a few characters whose race got changed and are handled in a good way. Not just some obvious DEI plant that ended up becoming a prime example of tokenism.

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u/HughJass6721 — 17 hours ago

Everyone who is LGBTQ...might not be legitimately LGBTQ

The LGBTQ exists comfortably in the same area as religion does where...you can't disprove it but you can't necessarily prove it either because at the end of the day it's an entirely subjective feeling. The person says they are attracted to this or that...what can you do but either take them at their word or not.

But this is NOT to categorically say that all LGBTQ people are delusional and not genuine. This is to ask for a moment of honest reflection because I know the community is very defensive and generally don't tolerate much criticism of their beliefs.

Okay... When I was young there was this show on HBO called "Oz." It was about prisoners in a prison. Pretty big show at the time. Point is, of course, there was a lot of scenes of sexual violence in it. There are the infamous scenarios where straight people...not LGBTQ people...would be "turned out" by sexual assault in prison. They would become gay. Not only that. They would fully become gay. Walk, talk, dress...everything. I found this really interesting because this was around the time I think I remembered watching the movie "Momento" and the core issue is "identity" and how it can be affected by the situation around us. Because in the "Oz" scenario it's not just the victims but the abusers who are not actually gay, but because of their situation end up engaging in LGBTQ activities... To the point where prisons offer sex changes.

Let that sink in. In a place where sex should be absolutely prohibited... prisons are offering sex changes. Why?

In general we would say the adults who find themselves in prison are much more sound in their identity and personal convictions. Less likely to be influenced by peer pressure and societal flux. And even they can be changed. So what about children?

When we're talking offering sex changes to a child...and allowing a child to make these kinds of decisions for themselves when I, personally, would never allow my child to get a piercing or a tattoo, let alone a sex change...you really have to stop and ask yourself what is going on?

And a child is literally bombarded with the propaganda and suggestions of his peers and the greater society at large. And children are well known to be in a state of emotional and ideological flux where they are generally not aware or sure of their true personality or nature. They are in that phase where they are still very much orienting themselves to...themselves...let alone the environment around them. So while the LGBTQ community, because of self-interest, would try to say that whatever a person decides to do sexually is absolutely authentic and we must respect it all...this is insane. A baby might stick their hands in a electrical socket out of curiosity. A child will sniff bags of glue because his friends are doing it. Children are extremely impressionable and can be extremely irrational. And being coaxed into sexually perverse acts is not the least of the things a child might be faced with. Or any other person for that matter. How many women get "tricked" into the sex trade by people who appeared to be well-meaning or sincere? Now they live out a life because they've been doing it so long it's habit.

Overall, my general point is to not to say there are no sincerely and gay people in existence. It's to say that determining this is murkier than ever because children are not only exposed to the LGBTQ ideology...they are targeted by it. It's an actual agenda. Again, I know there are some people who are naturally gay...I guess...but that still doesn't mean the LGBTQ is not a weaponized agenda. It's the same with immigration. Immigration is a natural thing people do, but that doesn't mean immigration can't be a weaponized agenda.

The thing is that I have noticed in their desperation for validation and legitimacy the LGBTQ people and their supporters...and enforcers...will bat down any criticism or speculation as bigotry while offering quite shady "science" or defenses of their proclivity that really boil down to the same thing religious people use.

My truth is truth.

And I think in the case of both religion and LGBTQ issues...as well as many other areas...a more principled and sincere investigation of the issue is warranted. Because it one thing is clear to me all societies are being pumped with a steaming stream of sewage they're being told is truth. And if we notice our society crumbling...we have to be as ready to challenge the lies and inhumanities we are biased towards as much as we are willing to challenge someone else's.

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u/cynica1mandate — 23 hours ago