u/EntertainmentTop3272

How to deal with a coworker who is sabotaging you passively ? AIW

Going to try to make this as short as possible. I joined a bank last year (back office not in branch) and showed up in a suit daily even tho there was no requirement to (it is an entry level analyst job).

People always noticed me because I seemed sharp both intellectually and appearance-wise. My manager liked me and I worked very hard to absolutely crush my daily targets. Two colleagues who have worked at this bank for close to 9 years (the guy is 32 and the woman is 29) were hired in this position 2 months before me.

They never wanted to include me if that makes sense. The guy was known as the "bully" in the group because he would openly (playfully) bully people on the team in team meetings and would set the "mood" but not everyone can do this, it wither lands or it doesn't.

He never bullied me openly but he and the woman (who are tight) never openly acknowledged my contributions. If I won employee of the month (they both already got it) he wouldn't say congrats, when I got 1st place for a case competition they both ignored it. When I got selected to do a 5 month internal contract they both didnt say goodbye or good luck when the entire shared group chat was only talking about it.

Fast forward a few months, the woman moves cities and so do I. We end up being on the same time and are considered the "experienced analysts". I show her around the office, help her get in the office for a good month (id show up early because her shifts were an hour earlier than mine and she had no way of getting in, I stood up for her when security was giving her a hard time, introduced her to people to have her settle in etc.

She discloses shes pregnant (she has a husband) and I texted her one evening around 10pm on a Sunday as I was preparing my lunch thinking about work "Sorry to text you late but try & see if you have some kind of neck rest you can use at the office tomorrow for your neck - might help mitigate the stress on your neck man". She cuts me off for 2 weeks (no hello, no bye, no eye contact, physically sitting elsewhere in the office).

She starts acting passive by ignoring my messages in the shared chat when we answer new hire questions, she doesn't collaborate, she starts speaking to new hires to the side rather than than openly when im present, when im there she doesn't say a word and if a new hire asks her something directly she asks them to write to her privately.

I messaged her after 2 weeks asking if she had 5 min and asked if I did something to her and she said I made her uncomfortable by texting her late at night and therefore created distance and said there should be some boundaries. I told her it wouldn't happen again and wished her a good day.

The behaviour still continues after this and even gets worse. She openly diminished my productivity numbers in front of the whole team and when I said that was quite petty and challenged her statement in passing she grey rocked me. This continued for about 4.5 months to the point where not only did my manager notice how im getting actively excluded, the coworkers start noticing it too.

She has completely stopped using the main chat unless she gets pinged by my manager more than once but when im sick and absent I log in the next day and see shes super active and joking with everyone but when I come back she stops using it.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 4 days ago

How to deal with a coworker who is sabotaging you passively ?

Going to try to make this as short as possible. I joined a bank last year (back office not in branch) and showed up in a suit daily even tho there was no requirement to (it is an entry level analyst job).

People always noticed me because I seemed sharp both intellectually and appearance-wise. My manager liked me and I worked very hard to absolutely crush my daily targets. Two colleagues who have worked at this bank for close to 9 years (the guy is 32 and the woman is 29) were hired in this position 2 months before me.

They never wanted to include me if that makes sense. The guy was known as the "bully" in the group because he would openly (playfully) bully people on the team in team meetings and would set the "mood" but not everyone can do this, it wither lands or it doesn't.

He never bullied me openly but he and the woman (who are tight) never openly acknowledged my contributions. If I won employee of the month (they both already got it) he wouldn't say congrats, when I got 1st place for a case competition they both ignored it. When I got selected to do a 5 month internal contract they both didnt say goodbye or good luck when the entire shared group chat was only talking about it.

Fast forward a few months, the woman moves cities and so do I. We end up being on the same time and are considered the "experienced analysts". I show her around the office, help her get in the office for a good month (id show up early because her shifts were an hour earlier than mine and she had no way of getting in, I stood up for her when security was giving her a hard time, introduced her to people to have her settle in etc.

She discloses shes pregnant (she has a husband) and I texted her one evening around 10pm on a Sunday as I was preparing my lunch thinking about work "Sorry to text you late but try & see if you have some kind of neck rest you can use at the office tomorrow for your neck - might help mitigate the stress on your neck man". She cuts me off for 2 weeks (no hello, no bye, no eye contact, physically sitting elsewhere in the office).

She starts acting passive by ignoring my messages in the shared chat when we answer new hire questions, she doesn't collaborate, she starts speaking to new hires to the side rather than than openly when im present, when im there she doesn't say a word and if a new hire asks her something directly she asks them to write to her privately.

I messaged her after 2 weeks asking if she had 5 min and asked if I did something to her and she said I made her uncomfortable by texting her late at night and therefore created distance and said there should be some boundaries. I told her it wouldn't happen again and wished her a good day.

The behaviour still continues after this and even gets worse. She openly diminished my productivity numbers in front of the whole team and when I said that was quite petty and challenged her statement in passing she grey rocked me. This continued for about 4.5 months to the point where not only did my manager notice how im getting actively excluded, the coworkers start noticing it too.

She has completely stopped using the main chat unless she gets pinged by my manager more than once but when im sick and absent I log in the next day and see shes super active and joking with everyone but when I come back she stops using it.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 4 days ago

I quit my last job and they're gossiping about me

I had an overall good reputation I'd say at my most recent job. I ended up switching to a different city but working in the same department.

Another lady who I worked with in the previous city ended up transferring to my city and we worked under the same Team Manager. She didnt like how our new team manager would see us as "equals" and looked at us as the experienced ones to help the new hires. This lady immediately cut me off out of the blue (no eye contact, no hello, no bye just absolutely grey rock).

She started socially excluding me in front of others and even my manager started noticing. Then she started telling the new hires whenever they had a question they asked in the shared team chat, that they should "msg her on the side". She would do anything to avoid public engagement with me present.

I would ask her for feedback occasionally if im answering the new hires question correctly (in front of everyone) and she ignored me/ghosted. She then openly belittled my work in front of others and when I responded to her in private she ignored the message. This went on for a good 4.5 months for 5 days a week of consistent ignoring.

I ended up getting an offer at an even more prestigious institution and couldn't pass up on it (pays me 20k more also with amazing benefits). I accepted it and gave my 2 weeks.

I later come to find out from a friend that she has been strategically gossiping about me and misconstruing things to make me look "incompetent" and how back in the old city people would "ignore me" because I was "annoying" and how I would do xyz to people. She also told people im a "suck up" and just a bunch of other ridiculous stuff that she has never said to my face.

She hasn't stopped. Whenever my name comes up she has some kind of duty to spit on my name in a passive way. We have each other on linkedin and she never engages with my stuff but she just watches/observes.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 4 days ago

I had a good professional relationship with someone and they suddenly removed me on LinkedIn. Why ?

Basically title. Her and I got along well (shes 60 and I was 25 - im 28 now). I was put on a PIP and quit 1 week into it and got a new job within 4-5 weeks.

She messaged me on linkedin 4 months later saying "Hello [my name]! How are you? We all miss you at [company name] -- or at least I do. (I suppose I can only talk for myself, really). I was surprised when you left. I made a trip to [the city I was in] to meet everyone in March. I hope you are happy in your work.
-[her name]

I responded warmly "Hi [her name]! So great to hear from you — thanks for reaching out. I miss you too. I'm glad you got to visit! I’ve been doing well and staying busy with new things. Hope all is great on your end too 😊".

She then deletes me recently after I share I landed a job at the Bank of America. She stopped working at the company we both worked for just this month. But im surprised shes still connected with others at the work place but she just deleted me.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 5 days ago

I had a good professional relationship with someone and they suddenly removed me on LinkedIn. Why ?

Basically title. Her and I got along well (shes 60 and I was 25 - im 28 now). I was put on a PIP and quit 1 week into it and got a new job within 4-5 weeks.

She messaged me on linkedin 4 months later saying "Hello [my name]! How are you? We all miss you at [company name] -- or at least I do. (I suppose I can only talk for myself, really). I was surprised when you left. I made a trip to [the city I was in] to meet everyone in March. I hope you are happy in your work.
-[her name]

I responded warmly "Hi [her name]! So great to hear from you — thanks for reaching out. I miss you too. I'm glad you got to visit! I’ve been doing well and staying busy with new things. Hope all is great on your end too 😊".

She then deletes me recently after I share I landed a job at the Bank of America. She stopped working at the company we both worked for just this month. But im surprised shes still connected with others at the work place but she just deleted me.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 5 days ago

Put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 5 days ago

Put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 5 days ago

Put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 5 days ago

Put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 6 days ago

Put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 6 days ago

Put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 6 days ago
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[CAN] put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 6 days ago

WSID put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 6 days ago

Put on a PIP without HR involved ? Manager is a narcissist ?

I just landed a new job and will be starting next week. however, before my current job, I work at an insurance company for about 1yr and a few months and was placed on a PIP.

Don't want to make this long but there was a personality mismatch and the people on the team didnt "like" me without actually saying it. They consistently excluded me for a good 12 months, never coming up to me to say hi (I always came up to them and ask them how theyre doing), brought them all coffee and doughnuts, was extroverted, asked if I could join them and they said ok in the most "no" way and when I come sit with them they actively ignore me, when I come around everyone stops talking etc. They even started telling management how I wouldn't respond to messages even tho I told people I was going on lunch and was approached by management about this.

Finally my manager (who decently saw I wasn't being included but did nothing about it) put me on a pip and he said he just wanted to send me a paper copy of it via email and for me to accept and when I asked does this mean im fired he said just follow what has been outlined in the email and that "unfortunate conclusion" will hopefully not come to be as he wants me to "succeed".

He also said how at the end of the 4 week pip if the conditions weren't met, he'd go meet with HR and HR would give me an "official" pip with specific dates and tasks to be complete by xyz. So I dont get why he tried to act like he was HR in hindsight.

The trainers in my department also didnt like me because I asked a lot of questions about work tasks and they formally complained to my manager about it saying my "tone" in emails was rude and condescending. When I asked if they could give an example of where I sounded rude or condescending so I could improve my communication with them moving forward, I never got an answer instead I got gossip (they started talking about me to my current trainer at the time about me without my knowledge until I caught my manager saying how another trainer messaged my trainer about me asking how I was doing and how they are "sisters" as in close friends.

I ended up quitting 1 week into the pip on a Monday morning after asking if I could have a new trainer and my boss wanted more "justification". He said he felt blindsided by my decision and wanted me to go home and "rethink" the decision and let him know the next day (I think he needed time to go to hR and request an employee quitting). He called me and started the "I care about you and want u to be better and I think u need to improve" speech and doubled down on the "going home to rethink it". I just quit6 and dropped off all my equipment there.

He started texting me again asking for a letter of resignation and how thats all he needs from me. I told him I never said I was going to send one and how I felt bad how things turned out between him and I and all that. He said he would take an email I sent him on a Sunday evening about me wanting to go somewhere where I am "appreciated" and send it to hR.

Its been a good 1.5 years since then and we have each other on linkedin still and I have grown lot since leaving. Got hired by a bank 1 month after quitting, worked hard (won employee of the month which means I was exceeding objectives and work, won case competitions, networked, volunteered, got selected for a contract role within the bank for 5 months then returned to original role). Then is shared how I would be joining the Bank of America next week as an analyst and my post blew up with views (old colleagues started coming to my profile and just observing without engaging and started unliking my old posts from 8-10 months ago).

My manager has also been watching my profile but he has engaged with any of my wins since I left although I see him engage with other colleagues who have quit under his leadership.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 6 days ago

Am I overthinking this LinkedIn interaction from old coworkers?

A while ago I worked at a company where I honestly never felt like I fit in socially with the team. I tried to be friendly and positive, but the environment felt very closed off (cliquey) and eventually I ended up on a PIP and resigned shortly after before it ended.

Since then, I moved on professionally and worked at a major bank, and recently I announced a new analyst role at the Bank of America on LinkedIn.

After posting it, I noticed several former coworkers/managers from that old company viewing my profile but not engaging with the post (they stopped engaging completely once I left but they continued engaging with other employees who had left). One interaction in particular confused me: a woman who worked in my department (but not directly with me) viewed my profile after my post, then removed a like from an older post (like 8-9 months ago) I made when I joined my job after that one.

Another coworker liked a post of my female coworker that he doesn't even know (theyre not connected and have no relation whatsoever) yet he just watches my stuff and doesn't hit like.

I know this sounds small, but it genuinely made me wonder if people from that old workplace still view me negatively, feel awkward about me, or if I’m just massively overanalyzing normal LinkedIn behavior.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 6 days ago

WSID about this LinkedIn interaction from old coworkers?

A while ago I worked at a company where I honestly never felt like I fit in socially with the team. I tried to be friendly and positive, but the environment felt very closed off (cliquey) and eventually I ended up on a PIP and resigned shortly after before it ended.

Since then, I moved on professionally and worked at a major bank, and recently I announced a new analyst role at the Bank of America on LinkedIn.

After posting it, I noticed several former coworkers/managers from that old company viewing my profile but not engaging with the post (they stopped engaging completely once I left but they continued engaging with other employees who had left). One interaction in particular confused me: a woman who worked in my department (but not directly with me) viewed my profile after my post, then removed a like from an older post (like 8-9 months ago) I made when I joined my job after that one.

I know this sounds small, but it genuinely made me wonder if people from that old workplace still view me negatively, feel awkward about me, or if I’m just massively overanalyzing normal LinkedIn behavior.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 7 days ago

Am I overthinking this LinkedIn interaction from old coworkers?

A while ago I worked at a company where I honestly never felt like I fit in socially with the team. I tried to be friendly and positive, but the environment felt very closed off (cliquey) and eventually I ended up on a PIP and resigned shortly after before it ended.

Since then, I moved on professionally and worked at a major bank, and recently I announced a new analyst role at the Bank of America on LinkedIn.

After posting it, I noticed several former coworkers/managers from that old company viewing my profile but not engaging with the post (they stopped engaging completely once I left but they continued engaging with other employees who had left). One interaction in particular confused me: a woman who worked in my department (but not directly with me) viewed my profile after my post, then removed a like from an older post (like 8-9 months ago) I made when I joined my job after that one.

I know this sounds small, but it genuinely made me wonder if people from that old workplace still view me negatively, feel awkward about me, or if I’m just massively overanalyzing normal LinkedIn behavior.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 7 days ago

Am I overthinking this LinkedIn interaction from old coworkers?

A while ago I worked at a company where I honestly never felt like I fit in socially with the team. I tried to be friendly and positive, but the environment felt very closed off (cliquey) and eventually I ended up on a PIP and resigned shortly after before it ended.

Since then, I moved on professionally and worked at a major bank, and recently I announced a new analyst role at the Bank of America on LinkedIn.

After posting it, I noticed several former coworkers/managers from that old company viewing my profile but not engaging with the post (they stopped engaging completely once I left but they continued engaging with other employees who had left). One interaction in particular confused me: a woman who worked in my department (but not directly with me) viewed my profile after my post, then removed a like from an older post (like 8-9 months ago) I made when I joined my job after that one.

I know this sounds small, but it genuinely made me wonder if people from that old workplace still view me negatively, feel awkward about me, or if I’m just massively overanalyzing normal LinkedIn behavior.

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 7 days ago
▲ 0 r/AskHR

I just received a conditional offer last Thursday and signed all the papers and provided all the necessary information.

The job is saying I need both a security clearance and a secret security clearance. I have given them everything and filled out everything, im just wondering how long do these kinds of things take ?

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 19 days ago

I speak French relatively well so I wasnt too worried about my language assessment test. When I hop onto the call, she tells me shes of Algerian descent but from France. I was like ok.

She records the interaction and it was easy at the beginning, then she started getting political. Asking me questions about artificial intelligence, digital security and what measures we need to take to keep our information safe etc. This interview has nothing to do with these things, it's for a role at a central bank.

She just kept on pressing and making the convo more complicated. The meeting was suppose to be 15-20 min MAX, she made it 30 minutes long. What the hell is her problem ?

She was like "ive never worked as an analyst before but the skills you seem to have seems to be general that applies to almost everything etc. She has only worked in the "language world of translation".

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u/EntertainmentTop3272 — 21 days ago