Recreated the hangover effect without ethanol yesterday

See my comment on the post “opioid tone rebound causal”from a few days ago for the theory behind this

To be clear I’m a male in mid-20s and fit

Essentially I’m starting to suspect the hangover effect and fever effect is simply a temporary stop to SIBO interference with the vagus nerve.

Ethanol would be directly antibacterial and fever effect would be immunity waking up towards these gram-positive bacteria that it would typically ignore.

The window of sudden dip in the bacterial products tryptamine, 5HT, Gaba,… which are all dopamine antagonists, would lead the vagus nerve to wake up and vagal euphoria to be engaged

Linoleic acid is a potent anti gram positive agent (and way less toxic than alcohol ), also NaCl in the diet is another one.

Yesterday’s meals were high in omega 6 and salt, starches but zero sugar, and also supplemented with nicotinic acid which enhances bile flow and further inhibits SI bacteria. Intense body high the afternoon until I slept which was then effortless to do. I did notice this never happens if I had high sugar intake.

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u/Evening_Flower8 — 18 days ago
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Ray Peat on nickel (Ni) being toxic. Also it’s required by H Pylori which is a source of endotoxin (LPS).

u/Evening_Flower8 — 26 days ago

Do you get the “Fever effect” aka “paradoxical Euphoria when sick with a cold effect”?

the past weeks I made 2 posts one on the GABA idea the other on Salsonilol.

It hit me these don’t explain the Fever Effect at all.

This effect has been reported here many times, and in my experience the last time I had a cold with fever 3 years ago was a period where my Qi life force roared back on for an entire week. Much more intense than any hangover effect I had. and I quit alcohol so I don’t even get the HE.

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u/Evening_Flower8 — 1 month ago

Effect of salt on mood

I don’t know if this is fully confirmed but I did notice a pattern of high salt meals leading to a strong dip in mood. Like the last time I ate fast food I felt this sense of fatigue and sadness after, and when I add salt to home meals I get something similar though less intense.

For example yesterday i used “electrolytes” (1/4tsp salt) in my normal drink before working it out and not only did not energize me it made me super fatigued and moody for the rest of the evening

edit: there’s some data on this
Linking salt consumption to depression: triangulating evidence from Mendelian randomization and observational studies

https://news.aai.org/2025/03/24/high-salt-diet-linked-to-depression/

Also it seems to mess up my digestion too.

It’s not potassium as my K intake is like 3+ grams a day

u/Evening_Flower8 — 1 month ago

What the hell is wrong with my iPhone 13

13 Pro
The way it makes me look in front or even rear cam especially outdoors is horrifying. Skin tone, texture, distortion… like a literal monster or troll

Like if I really looked that horrific then people and kids in public would steer away from me which i confirmed does not happen.

I have heard of complaints on these newer iPhones does anyone have experience with this too.
I want to throw it away and get a midrange Samsung

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u/Evening_Flower8 — 1 month ago

Salsonilol

This guy figured it out 5 years ago

« non-enantiospecific Pictet-Spengler reaction of dopamine and acetaldehyde »

Although it might be much simpler and have nothing to do with gut bacteria, as the acteldehyde post drinking reacts with dopamine to make this bizzare dopamine and opioid activator that is also neurotoxic.

This is technically not a good thing despite being euphoric.

Maybe this is why I stopped having hangover effect or even craving alcohol (I fully quit) since I started Abram Hoffer style mega dosing of flush niacin 2 years ago (neutralizes aldehydes via ALDH)

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u/Evening_Flower8 — 1 month ago

forbidden pharmaceutical

I somehow stumbled on this years ago and think about it every once in a while.

There’s a research compound that induces potent and long-term enhancement of libido

« induces longlasting sexual excitation in male rats. »

« excessive sexual activity in cats⁸»

« they required fewer mounts and intromissions prior to ejaculation, and displayed shorter intromission and ejaculation latencies as well as shorter refractory periods and intervals between successive intromissions. »

« These observations established that "hypersexuality," increased aggression, and perceptual disorientation are sequelae of the chronic administration of the drug in cats. »

It’s a potent neuroprotective agent too:

« Pretreatment significantly attenuated breakdown of the BBB permeability, brain edema and the CBF disturbances. Damaged and distorted nerve cells were markedly less frequent in treated rats »

Its effects are independent of hormones:

« No effect on plasma luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), growth hormone (GH), thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), testosterone and other steroid hormones could be observed. These results are discussed in respect to the sexually stimulating effect »

It’s p-chlorophenylalanine (PCPA), a selective and irreversible inhibitor of tryptophan hydroxylase the rate-limiting enzyme in the biosynthesis of serotonin. It doesn’t seem to have been tested in humans yet. The studies are all from the 60s-70s interestingly right before SSRIs were introduced.

It’s just a slightly modified phenylalanine with a Cl. I’m not sure why they wouldn’t instead use a tryptophan derivative but it seems to work.

If low serotonin caused depression then why deleting it causes high libido which is supposedly lost in depression.

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u/Evening_Flower8 — 2 months ago
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They’re just starting to figure out serotonin. there was a search term trending on google “serotonin tinnitus” and “serotonin migraines” for a new study that showed what we already knew for like 50 years

Endotoxin is similar there’s an endless sea of data on it, like 30% of people have metabolic endotoxemia, it’s a known root cause of diabetes and obesity yet I never heard it mentioned other than by Peat and his people or this youtube cardiologist dr Jamnadas.

For LPS I’m doing very low fat, psyllium husk (I know he doesn’t like it but it bind toxins) oral hygiene by gargling dilute h2o2 (the “red complex” in mouth is potent endotoxin). lots of coffee.

Started a few months ago and It seems to be making an extreme impact. At first I got fevers from “die off”.

Rosacea is going away. my skin which has been a disaster since I took antibiotics is starting to look phenomenal, posture has changed and I walk super straight, I only feel depression/anxiety if I drunk alcohol or ate fat (translocators), dry eyes are going away and look more symmetrical, sense of smell came back, morning wood…

Most shockingly the way people act around me in public has changed. Cashiers aren’t rude anymore. I notice preening behaviour from women and men constantly.

I’m 23 177cm 70kg

Data:

Endotoxin-initiated inflammation reduces testosterone production in men of reproductive age

Effect of dietary fat intake on metabolic endotoxemia: Mechanisms and clinical insights

Quantity of alcohol drinking positively correlates with serum levels of endotoxin

A High-Fat Diet Is Associated With Endotoxemia That Originates From the Gut

☕️Chlorogenic Acid-Induced Gut Microbiota Improves Metabolic Endotoxemia

u/Evening_Flower8 — 2 months ago