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Mujin is relative to Prime Gap

In this post I will be going over why the narrative gives us enough reason to treat Mujin as relative to Prime Gapryong, rather than assuming the statement only applies to some weaker, earlier version of Gapryong.

In Cheongliang, the farmers are said to have rumors that Mujin Jin is on par with Gapryong Kim.

The important part is the reputation behind this statement and how it persists over time.

Think of Gapryong's progression as:

Point A → Point B → Point C

At Point A, Mujin and Gapryong have never fought, yet their reputations are already strong enough that rumors establish them as being on par:

In Cheongliang, the farmers are said to have rumors that Mujin Jin is on par with Gapryong Kim.

The important part is the reputation behind this statement and how it persists over time.

Think of Gapryong's progression as:

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At Point A, Mujin and Gapryong have never fought, yet their reputations are already strong enough that rumors establish them as being on par:

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Then Gapryong continues to grow.

And this isn't just some minor increase that we can ignore. His reputation grows alongside him.

Almost everyone in the verse knows about Gapryong's rise. He grows stronger, drives off the Yamazaki Syndicate, awakens his Path, develops his Masteries, and continues building his reputation as one of the strongest fighters of his generation.

ventually, he reaches the level where he can defeat Shingen.

So you essentially have:

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And this is where I think the argument becomes important.

Why would the rumor continue to exist?

If someone wants to argue that the farmers' statement only refers to Point A Gapryong, then they need to explain why that comparison remains relevant after Gapryong's subsequent growth.

Everyone knows Gapryong became stronger.

Everyone knows about his rise.

Everyone knows about his accomplishments.

His reputation wasn't stagnant. It was continuously increasing alongside his strength.

So if the original comparison was simply:

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then Gapryong eventually moves far beyond Point A.

At that point, the original comparison should become outdated.

Yet the story still preserves Mujin's reputation as being on par with Gapryong.

That's the important part.

You can't just freeze Mujin at Point A while allowing Gapryong's reputation to progress all the way to Point C and then continue using the same statement as if nothing happened.

The reputation itself has to account for Gapryong's progression.

And remember: Mujin and Gapryong never fought.

There is no fight at Point A that establishes their equality.

There is no fight at Point C that establishes their equality.

The entire comparison is based on their reputations.

So:

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Gapryong's reputation then rises:

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But when we reach Point C:

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That means Mujin's reputation must have progressed alongside Gapryong's reputation for the comparison to remain meaningful.

Otherwise, you're essentially arguing that the story is saying:

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while secretly meaning:

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And there's no explicit indication that this is what the statement means.

unless someone can establish that the farmers' rumor specifically freezes the comparison to a pre-Path/pre-Mastery Gapryong, I don't see a reason to arbitrarily cap Mujin there.

So

The whole point is that the reputation survived Gapryong's progression.

And if the reputation survived the progression, then Mujin's portrayal has to be evaluated at the endpoint of that progression—not arbitrarily at the beginning.

u/Gunism22 — 4 days ago

Why are people acting like Mujin can't grow stronger?

Everyone calling Mujin a rumor man and now saying "he's gonna be no path gapryong level" Why? We know his narrative since cheongliang and he was used in the same panel along Gap and Shingen when Jinyoung was fighting for his life

So why is everyone acting like Mujin can't grow stronger like Gap? Why can't Mujin get his own path and be on the same level and Prime Gap and Prime Shingen?

The Mujjin hate on this sub needs to stop

u/Gunism22 — 7 days ago

Ryu slams Kenzo (BADLY)

I'm here to stop the overrate and show you all on how Jaun Ryu slams Kenzo BADLY, also putting an end to this gen 0 wank and please read my post before chimping in the replies

As young ryu had paecheon go all out and give his all this would mean him 10 years later with 2 masteries would far cliff that version and would scale to paecheon bare minimum

As Kenzo knows base shingens abilities and prowess we have no reason to believe shintaro would have no clue about how strong shingen is and he states that base paecheon is relative to shingen

so this means Jaun Ryu is stronger than base shingen

kenzo just states that base shingen and gap are relative

And as Kenzo was horrifically beat by Gap we can conclude that

Jaun Ryu is stronger than Kenzo

u/Gunism22 — 15 days ago

Mod Abuse

Made a post and a mod added the shitpost flair when it's not, the mod who marked this as a shitpost drop your discord and we can debate choyun vs shingen

u/Gunism22 — 20 days ago

Does Yuseong and Jake have higher AP than Young Gap?

yuseong broke Guns bones who has the greatest yamazaki blood(stated by charles) and Paecheon DBT is relative to Shingens black bones who is far above genzo. Yet gap couldn't hurt genzo

u/Gunism22 — 27 days ago

Say it aint so? Am I dreaming? Baekho is officially the biggest Fraud OAT, No way bro died to a 13 year old James Lee as a grown ass man 🤣 🤣 🤣

u/Gunism22 — 27 days ago

DB Downplayers in one Image

Made a post on powerscalingr/ wanting to have a cordial discussion but just as I expected nobody can convice these downplayers that goku scales higher than their presupposed idea. This guy said Sonic beats Goku I ask him to debate and he just dismissed my argument? Saying I'm simply wrong no matter what, without even hearing me out.

Most of these reddits who downplay goku are exactly like this guy so to everyone who defends Goku on these scaling reddits just don't engage. They are very dishonest and will not engage in a good faith debate so save your valuable time

I love going back to this quote:

Dragon Ball downplayers can't read. This isn't an insult, it's a tragic fact. No matter how clearly the truth is laid before them, their minds are simply unequipped to grasp it. It's not malice. It's cognitive inferiority, proven and observable by science itself. You don't blame an ant for being forced into hive-mind work, it's fate.

More truer words have never been spoken

u/Gunism22 — 28 days ago

The Goku downplay has gone too far

Since there is an immense amount of Dragon Ball downplay on this sub, and the majority of people here believe Goku loses to these characters, I have decided to offer anyone the opportunity to debate me on any of these three topics.

Topic 1: Goku vs Alien X

Topic 2: Goku vs Madoka

Topic 3: Goku vs Sonic

Rules: Standard 3 fallacy limit

VSBW Standard battle assumptions, VSBW Tiering system, VSBW Information pages

I will be taking Goku's side in all of these debates. The debate will take place on my Discord server via VC or Text to VC bot if you don't use VC

discord.gg/beargrillz7

My cord username: beargrillz7

Don't reply to this post arguing for your character as I will simply ignore you

Join the server, and we can set up a time that works for both of us and have a formal debate

u/Gunism22 — 1 month ago