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By now everyone has seen this film twice or thrice in theatres, which I have done the same to. We all have our takes on where this films shines and where it has its lows. The film is spectacularly done, beautifully made but a new interesting topic which came to my mind is from storytelling and writing and screenplay perspective how does it stand to other films? What directions would you think he would take in the future?

From my perspective, The Odyssey might be few of his films which would not age much and just over time get better and better. Although it has its flaws and inconsistencies from the Homer's epic and sometimes in its own movie itself, I think that what Nolan's film does best is capture different atmospheres and have different artistic and visual styles even though none of his films are animated. Interstellar captures vastness and isolation of space, Odyssey captures the scary and dangerous ancient greek era with a hint of supernatural, Tenet is a time travelling "mess" so to say NOT IN A BAD WAY, Oppeheimer captures the depth of discussion and work involved in making a bomb and plays out as 90's theatre drama. Inception mixes grounded realistic fiction with fantasy and The dark night films capture crime thriller and detective story while capturing the comic elements in a realistic and grounded way like most of his films.
I think that Nolan's biggest strength is to make everything work in terms of our present and realistic context, keeping it grounded but leaving room for interpretation.

What are your thoughts? I am happy to hear em!

Hello I'm new to this sub and wanted to have good discussion about his latest entry The Odyssey, my favourite Nolan film will always be Interstellar and Inception Now since I have introduced myself and had a lot of time thinking about it I can finally say what the film does best and worst. Please be respectful, if I have made any mistakes I open to it and we can have a good discussion!

We are strictly talking as an independent film first I know its based on the text written by Homer of course but let us see what lies on the surface first and what it is on its own. It tells the story of Odysseus, his journey back to his family but he is not the only one on a journey, like I have said before, this is the journey about the characters as well. Telemachus's journey about finding his dad, Penelope's journey of perseverence and his crewman's journey too. I feel like its highly engaging enough that it kept me glued to my seat, had my attention. This was all thanks to mainly two things:- The acting and the pacing which was done through well of course. It took its time to explain and set things up.

One aspect I found lacking was the first 2 acts of the film, it plays into it slow, the pacing just takes its time and during that time it felt weak, I felt uninterested in most parts of it, here uninterested more so means that I felt that "drag" where u want to know how much time has passed which according to me is sorta on the negative side but luckily it was not that worse again thanks to the directing and the setpieces and the score, in last hour of the film is where it really shines. I don't think its a weak point because it has some payoff but at the same time it is because it needs to keep u entertained, after all cinema is for entertainment.

Another thing I heard about this film is being "high school project" of Nolan's films but after actually thoroughly reviewing it I didn't felt so at all, a lot of hard work has went into the film from being shot in 100% IMAX cameras (which was already considered to be impossible to do before) working around restrictions during shooting, creating true to life sets, music using authentic instruments to shooting on location the list goes on. I feel that its Nolan's most practical and authentic film yet but it automatically does not make it his best film of all time

There is a lot to be said when now we compare it to The Odyssey written by Homer, Some of the people have pointed out that it turned the concept of Zeus's law which the film is highly revolved around and made it a mess, Xenia as describes in the text is wayy fundamentally different which I agree but I found this one take interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/classics/s/DTBFkcVFBK
"But the Law of Zeus is ever-present, demanding that humans act civilly toward each other. This comes from Homer, but the purview of Zeus’ law is wider and more encompassing in Nolan’s. Failure to abide by it is the doom of Greek civilization" which explains that why Zeus's law plays a vital role, it just does not act as a narrative device or some rule but reflects the behaviors and motivation of the characters in the story, which I touched upon in my previous post. It also tells how Nolan's interpretation of the Odyssey does work well on. Starting from the fact that it draws parallel to our lives and most importantly it conveys the journey of self discovery very well. After all the story is about the journey of our own, how we in our own lives long to get back to the things or moments we love which is the central theme of the movie, not just another interpretation of the Homeric text.

Another negative I can find is that it uses too much modernization to people's liking like the obvious use of modern generation dialogue to the dress appearing out of place to the own time its set in and some interesting casting choices but its his interpretation of it, its a modern retelling for the audience, even though it got many things wrong we cannot deny the fact that it has sparked a huge influence on Greek history as a whole, to the point I'm writing this after doing my own research. Even the message it tried to convey might have not been clear or perfect, BUT it set successfully set out to do one task that is to spark interest in Greek culture.

Another negative I have seen is how Odysseus is portrayed in this film compared to the original, where he is actually a master strategist and pragmatic where in this film he is depicted as a warrior with a burden carrying guilt but in my perspective it works really well for HIS interpretation not the text

I also saw heard that people didn't like the editing of this movie which I felt is not the case, it was pretty easy enough to follow and the original poem also cuts back a lot of the times to the things happening in Ithica when Odysseus was gone, so I don't think that's a negative but I am putting this out there. I also saw in Nolan's interview how we really wanted to put this on the main focus as most of the films just overlook or gloss over it which I really appreciate.

One cannot deny the impact the film has made intertwining Greek culture with pop culture history like never before, nor can one deny the effort put into this film. While it will not remain the best adaptation or the best Nolan film BUT it will remain a great film of this year.

What do you think was one of the negatives holding the film back? I would love to hear them!

Thank you for reading!

Okay, so in my last post I just rambled on about the film because I just saw it and I thought to get things out of my head first. Now since I have had a lot of time thinking about it I can finally say what the film does best and worst. Please be respectful, if I have made any mistakes I open to it and we can have a good discussion!

We are strictly talking as an independent film first I know its based on the text written by Homer of course but let us see what lies on the surface first and what it is on its own. It tells the story of Odysseus, his journey back to his family but he is not the only one on a journey, like I have said before, this is the journey about the characters as well. Telemachus's journey about finding his dad, Penelope's journey of perseverence and his crewman's journey too. I feel like its highly engaging enough that it kept me glued to my seat, had my attention. This was all thanks to mainly two things:- The acting and the pacing which was done through well of course. It took its time to explain and set things up.

One aspect I found lacking was the first 2 acts of the film, it plays into it slow, the pacing just takes its time and during that time it felt weak, I felt uninterested in most parts of it, here uninterested more so means that I felt that "drag" where u want to know how much time has passed which according to me is sorta on the negative side but luckily it was not that worse again thanks to the directing and the setpieces and the score, in last hour of the film is where it really shines. I dont think its a weak point because it has some payoff but at the same time it is because it needs to keep u entertained, after all cinema is for entertainment.

Another thing I heard about this film is being "high school project" of Nolan's films but after actually thoroughly reviewing it I didnt felt so at all, a lot of hard work has went into the film from being shot in 100% IMAX cameras (which was already considered to be impossible to do before) working around restrictions during shooting, creating true to life sets, music using authentic instruments to shooting on location the list goes on. I feel that its Nolan's most practical and authentic film yet but it automatically does not make it his best film of all time

There is a lot to be said when now we compare it to The Odyssey written by Homer, Some of the people have pointed out that it turned the concept of Zeus's law which the film is highly revolved around and made it a mess, Xenia as describes in the text is wayy fundamentally different which I agree but I found this one take interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/classics/s/DTBFkcVFBK
"But the Law of Zeus is ever-present, demanding that humans act civilly toward each other. This comes from Homer, but the purview of Zeus’ law is wider and more encompassing in Nolan’s. Failure to abide by it is the doom of Greek civilization" which explains that why Zeus's law plays a vital role, it just does not act as a narrative device or some rule but reflects the behaviors and motivation of the characters in the story, which I touched upon in my previous post. It also tells how Nolan's interpretation of the Odyssey does work well on. Starting from the fact that it draws parallel to our lives and most importantly it conveys the journey of self discovery very well. After all the story is about the journey of our own, how we in our own lives long to get back to the things or moments we love which is the central theme of the movie, not just another interpretation of the Homeric text.

Another negative I can find is that it uses too much modernization to people's liking like the obvious use of modern generation dialogue to the dress appearing out of place to the own time its set in and some interesting casting choices but its his interpretation of it, its a modern retelling for the audience, even though it got many things wrong we cannot deny the fact that it has sparked a huge influence on Greek history as a whole, to the point Im writing this after doing my own research. Even the message it tried to convey might have not been clear or perfect, BUT it set successfully set out to do one task that is to spark interest in Greek culture.

Another negative I have seen is how Odysseus is portrayed in this film compared to the original, where he is actually a master strategist and pragmatic where in this film he is depicted as a warrior with a burden carrying guilt but in my perspective it works really well for HIS interpretation not the text

I also saw heard that people didnt like the editing of this movie which I felt is not the case, it was pretty easy enough to follow and the original poem also cuts back a lot of the times to the things happening in Ithica when Odysseus was gone, so I dont think that's a negative but I am putting this out there. I also saw in Nolan's interview how we really wanted to put this on the main focus as most of the films just overlook or gloss over it which I really appreciate.

One cannot deny the impact the film has made intertwining Greek culture with pop culture history like never before, nor can one deny the effort put into this film. While it will not remain the best adaptation or the best Nolan film BUT it will remain a great film of this year.

What do you think was one of the negatives holding the film back? I would love to hear them!

Thank you for reading!

Okay, so in my last post I just rambled on about the film because I just saw it and I thought to get things out of my head first. Now since I have had a lot of time thinking about it I can finally say what the film does best and worst. Please be respectful, if I have made any mistakes I open to it and we can have a good discussion!

We are strictly talking as an independent film first I know its based on the text written by Homer of course but let us see what lies on the surface first and what it is on its own. It tells the story of Odysseus, his journey back to his family but he is not the only one on a journey, like I have said before, this is the journey about the characters as well. Telemachus's journey about finding his dad, Penelope's journey of perseverence and his crewman's journey too. I feel like its highly engaging enough that it kept me glued to my seat, had my attention.

One aspect I found lacking was the first 2 acts of the film, it plays into it slow, the pacing just takes its time and during that time it felt weak, I felt unintrested in most parts of it but in last hour of the film is where it really shines. I dont think its a weak point because it has some payoff but at the same time it is because it needs to keep u entertained, after all cinema is for entertainment.

Another thing I heard about this film is being "high school project" of Nolan's films but after actually thoroughly reviewing it I didnt felt so at all, a lot of hard work has went into the film from being shot in 100% IMAX cameras (which was already considered to be impossible to do before" working around restrictions during shooting, creating true to life sets, music using authentic instruments to shooting on location the list goes on. I feel that its Nolan's most practical and authentic film yet but it automatically does not make it his best film of all time

There is a lot to be said when now we compare it to The Odyssey written by Homer, Some of the people have pointed out that it turned the concept of Zeus's law which the film is highly revolved around and made it a mess, Xenia as describes in the text is wayy fundamentally different which I agree but I found this one interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/classics/s/DTBFkcVFBK
which explains better how Nolan's interpretation of the Odyssey does work well on. Starting from the fact that it draws parrallel to our lives and most importantly it conveys the journey of self discovery very well. After all the story is about the journey of our own, how we in our own lives long to get back to the things or moments we love which is the centeral theme of the movie, not just another interpretation of the homeric text.

Another negative I can find is that it uses too much modernization to people's liking like the obvious use of modern generation dialogue to the dress appearing out of place to the own time its set in and some interesting casting choices but its his interpretation of it, its a modern retelling for the audience, even though it got many things wrong we cannot deny the fact that it has sparked a huge influence on Greek history as a whole, to the point Im writing this after doing my own research. Even the message it tried to convey might have not been clear or perfect, BUT it set successfully set out to do one task that is to spark interest in Greek culture.

Another negative I have seen is how Odysseus is portrayed in this film compared to the original, where he is actually a master strategist and pragmatic where in this film he is depicted as a warrior with a burden carrying guilt but in my perspective it works really well for HIS interpretation not the text

One cannot deny the impact the film has made intertwining Greek culture with pop culture history like never before, nor can one deny the effort put into this film. While it will not remain the best adaptation or the best Nolan film BUT it will remain a great film of this year.

Thank you for reading!

First of all its been a long time since I have read the original odyssey like years (I was in 2nd grade back then) so I have forgotten most of it but not all and from my memories I can gather so far, its dang good adaptation. Firstly, the spectacle man, like even though 99% ppl already glossed about this I just want to highlight how "no cgi" aspects and on location shooting HAVE MASSIVELY impacted the visual of this movie. It looks gorgeous and it makes a simple story on surface level a huge spectacle. James cameron's avatar also has that but the difference is how irl locations and basically minimal cgi made the world feel so alive, like legit it felt grand, the journey felt huge. So kudos to that. Now secondly I want to delve into the story telling aspect of this film and it was done great and by great I dont mean "soo great that it was philosophical or just sitting in the chair thinking about it great" its just great, better than average as always because of Nolan, the characters are introduced not through exposition, but we learn later on also the dialogue, its safe to say it was way better than I had in my expectations, based on trailer it was very easy to assume and get iffy about the dialogue part like the use of "daddy

"mommy" but THANK GOD to Nolan he didnt keep it to casual. It was formal enough to feel fitting to the characters and at the same time the modern audiences could understand, I had no problem in seeing old+modern english and Im pretty sure Nolan fans wouldnt have too but he took his route and I respect it but I wish they could have used "old+modern" mix of english because "Running back to his mommy" dialogue had me lol

Story on the surface level is simple to say the least. A father/ king of Ithica joins Aganmenon to the war of troy and after the war is done. They get lost on their way. Its a story about human grit, devotion to what YOU believe, staying strong in the face of danger which is explained through Odysseus defying the gods. Sounds simple right? well obviously theres more, and book explored that more than the movie obviously but given its runtime, its safe to say it has enough time to go deep as well. It was more than just the journey to return home, it was the journey about self discovery all this time ( I caught that in first 30 mins btw or maybe in an hr idk) The trojan war wasnt just some war to win, you know, where they just capture the place and plunder because war..., get resources impose regime and get control grow empire all that kind of stuff but instead it delve deeper into the aspects of whats right and wrong from pov of odysseus, one main rule/law is brought up time and time in this movie again and again which clearly plays a vital point in the movie

The Zeus's law, as the movie states treat others as they would treat you, they might be gods in disguise, which plays very good role and they handled this ideology really well. Another great character or should I say characters were his sidemen. They managed to feel like people Odysseus cares for and not some random side characters or liabilities he has to carry, they feel like one characters and different characters at the same time, especially his hench man or right hand man I should say (I forgot the name lol) they all make mistakes, all are arrogant yet in Circe scene thats where they all shined as I quote Odysseus "Did they hurt you?" felt soo good. Like they were literally downright brutally hungry yet they came in peace, they entered respectfully I may add, consoled her that they were just lost travellers just wanting food, respectfully put their armour outside and most importantly THEY DID NOT TOUCH ANYTHING IN THE GODDAMN KITCHEN which 99% of ppl would have done. They also tried to keep their promise of not killing the cattle and waiting/surviving till the wind stopped but they tried their best but hunger got the best of them and they died and damn it left an impact on me ngl, it was story about their journey too, the journey they couldnt complete. Now thats positive part of the characters out of the way lets talk about negatives one of them being Clytemnestra she wasnt bad but with little screentime she had she didnt leave that much of a impact, she had like 2mins of screentime? could have given her more

Robert Pattison's acting as Antonious in this, IS ACTUALLY SOO DAMN GOOD, I loved his acting here, he was a jerk which pissed me off, made want to get to the screen and strangle him there AND I LIKE IT is line delivery of "Can we get the plate-licker outta here" soooo dang good. rest all shined too, tom holland did fantastic as Telemachus, he really evolved as an actor honestly and its his best performance yet, even better than spider man. Anne Hathway always has a way of shining in Nolan's films and I can absolutely say she was also dang good, her acting masterclass and there are many more but this review would be too long so I cant type all of it unfortunately.

The self discovery part is shown to be the central key of the plot throughout the story, Odysseus loses his way and eventually his memories too but its that journey which makes the story soo engaging, the love relationship was also good and Matt Damon shone as odysseus, played really really well. Telemachus had his own journey of discovery of who is father is, which he mostly known him through songs and he travels to find his whereabouts, odysseus crew have an story role of showing grit, will and loyalty. Argus had his journey tested through time waiting for his master and he fortunately does meet (that tail wag killed me, like COME ON NOLAN WHYYY HE WAS THE GOODEST CUTEST BOY EVER).

Ludwig ascended me to heaven with the score, even the standard theatre experience felt I was in IMAX, it made the journey have weight to it, a story inside a story. The music literally conveyed a different perspective AND IM NOT JOKING the high score of the main theme and and theme which plays at troy, we see story through our eyes differently but if we interpret it to sound it conveys different feelings. The war at start sounded victorious but empty but the flashback in the last act made Odysseus feel conflicted and the part where we learn about him through tales and songs.. Travis cooked, Im sorry I judged u lol.

Ultimately my final verdict is 8.5/10 or maybe a 9 and its imo 4th best or 3rd best Nolan film, first one being inception and second one being the prestige Im conflicted about Oppenheimer and this though but I will definitely put it higher.

First of all its been a long time since I have read the original odyssey like years (I was in 2nd grade back then) so I have forgotten most of it but not all and from my memories I can gather so far, its dang good adaptation. Firstly, the spectacle man, like even though 99% ppl already glossed about this I just want to highlight how "no cgi" aspects and on location shooting HAVE MASSIVELY impacted the visual of this movie. It looks gorgeous and it makes a simple story on surface level a huge spectacle. James cameron's avatar also has that but the difference is how irl locations and basically minimal cgi made the world feel so alive, like legit it felt grand, the journey felt huge. So kudos to that. Now secondly I want to delve into the story telling aspect of this film and it was done great and by great I dont mean "soo great that it was philosophical or just sitting in the chair thinking about it great" its just great, better than average as always because of Nolan, the characters are introduced not through exposition, but we learn later on also the dialogue, its safe to say it was way better than I had in my expectations, based on trailer it was very easy to assume and get iffy about the dialogue part like the use of "daddy

"mommy" but THANK GOD to nolan he didnt keep it to casual. It was formal enough to feel fitting to the characters and at the same time the modern audiences could understand, I had no problem in seeing old+modern english and Im pretty sure Nolan fans wouldnt have too but he took his route and I respect it but I wish they could have used "old+modern" mix of english because "Running back to his mommy" dialogue had me lol

Story on the surface level is simple to say the least. A father/ king of Ithica joins Agamenon to the war of troy and after the war is done. They get lost on their way. Its a story about human grit, devotion to what YOU believe, staying strong in the face of danger which is explained through Odysseus defying the gods. Sounds simple right? well obviously theres more, and book explored that more than the movie obviously but given its runtime, its safe to say it has enough time to go deep as well. It was more than just the journey to return home, it was the journey about self discovery all this time ( I caught that in first 30 mins btw or maybe in an hr idk) The trojan war wasnt just some war to win, you know, where they just capture the place and plunder because war..., get resources impose regime and get control grow empire all that kind of stuff but instead it delve deeper into the aspects of whats right and wrong from pov of odysseus, one main rule/law is brought up time and time in this movie again and again which clearly plays a vital point in the movie

The Zeus's law, as the movie states treat others as they would treat you, they might be gods in disguise, which plays very good role and they handled this ideology really well. Another great character or should I say characters were his sidemen. They managed to feel like people Odysseus cares for and not some random side characters or liabilities he has to carry, they feel like one characters and different characters at the same time, especially his hench man or right hand man I should say (I forgot the name lol) they all make mistakes, all are arrogant yet in Circe scene thats where they all shined as I quote Odysseus "Did they hurt you?" felt soo good. Like they were literally downright brutally hungry yet they came in peace, they entered respectfully I may add, consoled her that they were just lost travellers just wanting food, respectfully put their armour outside and most importantly THEY DID NOT TOUCH ANYTHING IN THE GODDAMN KITCHEN which 99% of ppl would have done. They also tried to keep their promise of not killing the cattle and waiting/surviving till the wind stopped but they tried their best but hunger got the best of them and they died and damn it left an impact on me ngl, it was story about their journey too, the journey they couldnt complete. Now thats positive part of the characters out of the way lets talk about negatives one of them being Clytemnestra she wasnt bad but with little screentime she had she didnt leave that much of a impact, she had like 2mins of screentime? could have given her more

Robert Pattison's acting as Antonious in this, IS ACTUALLY SOO DAMN GOOD, I loved his acting here, he was a jerk which pissed me off, made want to get to the screen and strangle him there AND I LIKE IT is line delivery of "Can we get the plate-licker outta here" soooo dang good. rest all shined too, tom holland did fantastic as Telemachus, he really evolved as an actor honestly and its his best performance yet, even better than spider man. Anne Hathway always has a way of shining in Nolan's films and I can absolutely say she was also dang good, her acting masterclass and there are many more but this review would be too long so I cant type all of it unfortunately.

The self discovery part is shown to be the central key of the plot throughout the story, Odysseus loses his way and eventually his memories too but its that journey which makes the story soo enaging, the love relationship was also good and Matt Damon shone as odysseus, played really really well. Telemachus had his own journey of discovery of who is father is, which he mostly known him through songs and he travels to find his whereabouts, odysseus crew have an story role of showing grit, will and loyalty. Argus had his journey tested through time waiting for his master and he fortunately does meet (that tail wag killed me, like COME ON NOLAN WHYYY HE WAS THE GOODEST CUTEST BOY EVER).

Ludwig ascended me to heaven with the score, even the standard theatre experience felt I was in IMAX, it made the journey have weight to it, a story inside a story. The music literally conveyed a different perspective AND IM NOT JOKING the high score of the main theme and and theme which plays at troy, we see story through our eyes differently but if we interpret it to sound it conveys different feelings. The war at start sounded victorious but empty but the flashback in the last act made Odysseus feel conflicted and the part where we learn about him through tales and songs.. Travis cooked, Im sorry I judged u lol.

Ultimately my final verdict is 8.5/10 or maybe a 9 and its imo 4th best or 3rd best nolan film, first one being inception and second one being the prestige Im conflicted about Oppenheimer and this though but I will definitely put it higher.

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