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Fuckkkk I’m sooooo gassy rubs my belly and burps

Probably my most controversial post yet. Zero, Dimentio, Piccolo, and Kirby in particular are characters I will argue until I’m blue in the face are downplayed

Wanked:
Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Naruto Uzamaki (Naruto)
Zygarde (Pokémon)
Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Ganondorf (The Legend of Zelda)
Son Goku (Dragon Ball)
Wario (Super Mario)
Hiromi Higuruma (Jujutsu Kaisen)
Gilgamesh (Fate)
The Doctor (Doctor Who)
Hoshimi Miyabi (Zenless Zone Zero)
Jack Frost (Shin Megami Tensei)

Downplayed:
Piccolo (Dragon Ball)
Yukari Yakumo (Touhou)
Dimentio (Super Mario)
Maka Albarn (Soul Eater)
Zero (Mega Man)
Anby Demara (Zenless Zone Zero)
Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece)
Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Jotaro Kujo (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)
Yugi Muto (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Kirby (Kirby)
Wonder Woman (DC comics)

My favorite Dragon ball and Kirby character I fucking love these guys

Bigger post about the MU coming soon.

Anyways Piccolo has a lot of good win cons especially zoning out MK with better speed and range but I think MK takes it overall especially with his hax and AP.

That being said Kirby downplay is somehow becoming even bigger than Kirby glaze lately, wdym people are calling fights like Kirby vs Buu and Vegeta vs Dedede low diffs are we fucking fr 😭 deadass Sonic 06 levels of revisionism I cannot STAND some of yall it’s exhausting😭 but I’ll save the complaining for my next takes post ig

Also sorryyyyy the 6D Zero thread is taking longer than expected but Makoto vs Sigma chart is coming soon tho! Yall think I should do a 6D Kirby thread next? Idk I’m just rambling atp nobody even replies to the things I say here lmao

New Kira win con😮😮😮

This is a joke and don’t think this could actually be pulled off in the fight, I only want to make that clear here so that you know I was serious about Zero beating Metal Sonic in the other post like this 🤫

I feel most people agree Dragon Ball and Kirby are verses with similar power levels. RTDL and BoG are when both series get into the multiversal ranges

So with that said, CROWNED Magolor in RTDL is easily the strongest character in the game, I feel at this point in both series Base Kirby is comparable to God Goku in BoG. The thing is however it took Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Bandanna Dee to take down this form of Magolor and not just Kirby himself so I HIGHLY doubt BoG Goku would be able to do it by himself

Now both Goku and Kirby get continually stronger and stronger so the next contender would be RF Goku which I think could maybe do it extreme diff in Blue. The problem is CROWNED Magolor soul also exists and is even stronger, and while Goku has gotten MUCH stronger since BoG, I don’t think the jump is big enough just yet for CROWNED Magolor soul.

That leads to U6 arc Goku, with SSBKK I’m positive he can surpass CROWNED Magolor Soul and win the fight, after all it should be noted that Magolor’s base form already surpassed this form in his epilogue so it’s not out of Goku’s reach at all. Goku at this point is also VERY much in the 5D range (surpassing Hit’s timeskip) like Kirby’s “Another Dimension” very concretely is 5D (which had some of it’s universes destroyed with the destruction of the Master Crown as seen in the cutscene’s sequence of events) having multiple statements being beyond and transcending time and space.

So I think U6 arc Goku would be needed since he should keep up with 5D scaling that Magolor has in this form as well as being overall much faster.

I’d like to hear your thoughts tho, I think Resurrection F Goku is also definitely a contender so if you think that Goku could, lmk. but anything Pre-Battle of Gods Goku would be kinda unacceptable I feel.

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The fact Metal still has no way to resist “fuck you die” computer viruses is really funny to me

Someone brought one of these up in a conversation and it made me think about giving my takes on these kinda of matchups that are really only popular because there was a big Twitter discussion about them.

Jotaro vs Yuta
Donkey Kong vs Knuckles
Gojo vs Thragg
Mario and Luigi vs Sephiroth
Broly vs Bridget
Miyabi vs Sukuna

Just wanna say Bowser vs Eggman is probably the closest matchup we’ve gotten and I DO very much think Eggman has his own win cons even if I do agree with Bowser winning, but people who act like it’s a stomp for either side are lowk insufferable✌️😭

The amount of people I’ve seen genuinely talking down to Mario fans like they’re subhuman over this fight is insane too that’s all I gotta say

Ok so…

Kirby vs Buu: definitely more debatable since the Moro arc but I been seeing people say Buu low or mid diffs now?… what the fuck bruh no? Like if you think Buu wins okay ig that’s cool but anything below high diff? Fuckkkk no! Even if you don’t buy 6D Void then both Kirby and Buu are still both 5D? Shit’s close but Kirby’s got better hax so I think they win and slightly outstat even not factoring in 6D Void (since I’m aware it’s controversial)

Kirby vs Mario: Everyone who knows me on this sub knows these are the 2 characters I glaze even more than Zero so it’s no surprise I had a hard time coming up with a winner but ultimately since I have their hax be about even, the insane cosmological scaling buff the Pure Hearts give probably gives Mario the edge because of his stats

Kirby vs Yuyuko: Yeah duo we made up and all that bullshit, they’re both pink and gluttonous and also I wanted to do a touhou matchup most of all, I don’t really got much to say since she outstats and outhaxes pretty bad

Kirby vs Rogue: Lowk industry plant MU but yeah Rogue doesn’t really scale to Marvel’s heralds or absolute heaviest hitters unless she already has their power absorbed so she really does lose here

Kirby vs Soukaku: “The Smurfs are a famous group of small, blue, fictional characters who live in mushroom houses in the forest. They were created in 1958 by the Belgian artist Peyo.”

Kirby vs Galactus: come on man…

Kirby (Kirby)
Majin Buu (Dragon Ball)
Mario (Super Mario)
Yuyuko Saigyouji (Touhou)
Rogue (Marvel comics)
Galactus (Marvel comics)
Soukaku (Zenless Zone Zero)

Saw this MU had to fight against that composite transformers downplay, sorry girl ✌️😭

First one- yeah there’s just no getting past Return to Zero, if you don’t have a reality altering ability that transcends Diavolo’s timeskip which can already be above time and fate then you’re kinda fucked. Thought that was common knowledge but I been seeing people pullout random hax their character has and acting like it’s enough to bypass RTZ without knowing what it actually does

Also Lumine is better than Aetherrrrr #tbh

Second one- Haha guys remember the Bowser vs Spawn chart SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTP SHUT UP!!!! GRAGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! also sorry King Bowsgoat but you stood no chance here unfortunately 😢. I don’t think the Dream Stone would even work on Ghost Rider

Giorno Giovanna (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)
Traveler (Genshin Impact)
Ghost Rider (Marvel Comics)
Bowser (Super Mario)

While Vergil is extremely powerful, Luigi’s cosmology scales much higher, and while Luigi is unable to utilize the pure hearts as far as we know from what we’ve seen, scaling to Mario’s use of the cutout ability should put him at 6D when empowered, therefor Luigi in his dreamy state or with a power star could reach this level of his cosmology, (even without scaling to the cutout, Luigi can scale to Bowser who could tank a black hole capable of destroying the dream depot which would at least be 5D, got an upcoming post abt that btw) in addition, Luigi boasted reaction speed 1e+18 times faster than light from scaling to Mario. This is all without mentioning Luigi’s insane hax that were just too much for Vergil.

Next up: SASUKE UCHIHA VS MARIK ISHTAR

Luigi (Super Mario)
Vergil (Devil May Cry)
Marik Ishtar (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Sasuke Uchiha (Naruto)

Mario vs Sonic (and Kirby) will always be close, I’m so tired of people acting like Sonic stomps. There are Sonic downplayers too ofc but I don’t see them as much, either way they are both dumb, the cosmology arguments for both operate in the same logic, people acting like it’s not close is just bias😭

W if you think either wins extreme diff tho

Made ts to act like I’m not mad bc lowkey it’s getting to point I almost wanna quit powerscaling as a hobby ✌️😭

I really get demotivated to continue interacting with the community when I see people downplay Mario and Kirby, Sonic does not “STOMP” them, he may BEAT them, but it’s ABSOLUTELY not a stomp in any regard, not for any of the three characters. I want to make this post to get this off my chest.

Bottom line, I think people need to acknowledge Mario, Kirby, and Sonic are ALWAYS going to be extremely relative in scaling, each scales just as high as the others when given equal leeway. People underestimate how close this is from what I’ve seen

It’s fine if you think one is stronger than the other, that’s awesome! But we shouldn’t act like it isn’t close, it’s extreme diff for whoever wins.

These characters are threats that have been taken down by these 3 and all of them have posed threats to the multiverse of their worlds. all have credible arguments for scaling to the highest tiers of their respective verses. (Wether it be Dreamy Bowser, Dimentio, Solaris, Time Eater, Magolor, Void Termina)

The Dream Depot, Cutout World, Overthere and Underwhere, Maginary World, White Space, Another Dimension, Void, ALL THREE series have arguments for higher dimensional scaling (up to possibly 6D) when you give them equal leeway with your generosity in what you consider a higher dimension since many have the same statements. Now this of course only applies if you buy higher dimensional scaling for them in the first place, but if you believe one, their arguments are almost identical so believing in one should apply to the other 2

As for anti-feats… Like most long-running game franchises, all three series have anti-feats and inconsistencies. Mario and Sonic’s seem to be the most focused on. But this is why powerscaling these kinds of characters usually emphasizes consistent high-end portrayals over isolated gameplay moments, since power and writing power systems is usually not the focus at all for these series.

Whether you think Mario wins, Sonic wins, or Kirby wins, that’s completely fair. My issue is when people act like one completely overwhelms the other two. At their highest reasonable interpretations, all three are incredibly close, and any matchup between them should be an extreme-difficulty fight. There is no “stomp”, “low diff”, or “mid diff” for these 3 together.

Mario (Super Mario)
Kirby (Kirby)
Sonic (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Void Termina (Kirby)
Magolor (Kirby)
Time Eater (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Solaris (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Dimentio (Super Mario)
Bowser (Super Mario)

Round 1: Jobin Higashikata (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)
Round 2: White Kyurem (Pokémon)
Round 3: Yamamoto (Bleach)
Round 4: Blaze (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Round 5: Shinra (Fire Force)
Final Round: Dreamy Bowser (Mario and Luigi)

Where does Hit stop in your opinion, or does he clear?

While Firefly is definitely stronger than any classic series Wily robot on her own with multiversal to even 5D arguments, however she is unable to keep up with Wily’s sheer numbers; all of which upscale from Astro Man’s universe creation, in addition to their higher speeds and insane hax, which are prevalent even when limiting Wily to only his own robots and not giving him any stolen ones. These hax include things such as time and space manipulation, control over all elements, dimension creation, and many others.

Note: No character present can scale to their series full cosmology like Omega Zero and the Aeons do for MegaMan and HSR

Note: Shadow Man while not made by Wily is also not “stolen” by him and is shown to be Wily’s most fiercely loyal robot throughout all adaptations, even attacking Quick Man for even merely entertaining the idea of Wily’s orders being “wrong”

Conclusion: As such, due to his numbers, stronger forces, multitude of ways to mess with Firefly’s suit, absurd hax, superior speed, and crazy battle iq, the Wily army takes the win.

Next up is Jolyne vs Machi

Firefly (Honkai Star Rail)
Dr. Wily (Mega Man)
Bass (Mega Man)
Treble (Mega Man)
Quick Man (Mega Man)
Shadow Man (Mega Man)
Yellow Devil (Mega Man)
Jolyne Cujoh (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)
Machi Komacine (Hunter x Hunter)

Decided to do my own version of this trend because it seems fun, got a few matchups I think are cool.

Anyways next up is Firefly vs Dr.Wily’s army

Sakuya Izayoi (Touhou Project)
Vanilla Ice (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)
Dr.Wily (Mega Man)
Firefly (Honkai Star Rail)

And YES, WE all agree this is how it would go 😹