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What the title says, can Shigaraki overcome the Todoroki Family Hell?

Round 1: Jaku Shigaraki with all his quirks vs the Three Todorokis
Round 2: 97% Shigaraki vs The Three Todorokis
Round 3: Apex Shigaraki vs The Three Todorokis
Round 4: Plus Ultra Shigaraki vs The Three Todorokis

For R4 it'll be the version of Shigaraki just before he steals Danger Sense. And it'll be Final War Todorokis all at their strongest.

Bonus Round: Add in a Prime Hawks to any of these scenarios does it change your opinion?

Swap out Deku and his lineup for fighting a Quirkless Shigaraki at the UA Coffin, can these 8 heroes succeed where Best Jeanist and co failed?

Round 1: Heroes win conditions is defeating and Neutralizing Shigaraki under the same conditions the UA Team had and either defeating or surviving long enough for Deku to arrive. Tokoyami won't be allowed Dark Abyss in this scenario and is restricted to Ragnarök only.

Round 2: Deku isn't coming and the Heroes need to overcome Shigaraki alone, Tokoyami can use Dark Abyss but will require time to build up and if used in conjunction with The three Fire users or Mister Blaster will suffer reduced output. Likewise they can abandon fighting at the UA Coffin but they'll risk his quirks coming back.

Shigaraki and AFO will still suffer from an imperfect merger and all heroes are Final War Versions.

Just an FYI as well in case you didn't read Vigilantes Mister Blaster, the guy to the right of Shigaraki, is capable of producing energy based attacks that produce a ton of light that can blind you.

R1: Unstacked Naoya vs O'Clock
R2: Stacked Naoya Vs O'Clock
R3: Curse Naoya Vs O'Clock

All Rounds In character and O'Clock is allowed his gear that he uses as Knuckleduster later on as well.

Bonus Round: Knuckleduster with Prep Vs Human Naoya

Had a talk with a follow commentor on the damage Shigaraki sustained from SNS's air clap in her giant form and wanted to see the general consensus here. Obviously she's getting squished here and is trying to crush shigaraki. But where we differ in opinion is just how much damage she actually dealt to him.

To quote them
"The thing I circled is his arm, does this arm not look completely mutilated and smashed to you?"
"The anime doesn’t take priority over the manga my guy. Actually look at what’s being circled here.
How can that be his “body”. The body doesn’t extend outwards nor look like that on the side. To me it looks like fingers and thumbs. Even if that was his body that doesn’t change much. That means she mangled his side enough to it to be compressed and stretched out from its original shape"

I for one don't believe that's his arm at all that is in the circled panel while they disagree. I provided the Anime scene to clarify this and frankly just squishing someone or even laying down can have you skin be less taut and flatten on its own. I don't think this is at all that impressive.
Nor do I think this type of attack would do any significant or lasting damage to Prime All Might which is the basis of this conversation. Or that Star has enough AP or power to realistically put down PAM or PAFO.

TLDR at the bottom made this shit in the spur of the moment lol.

Barring the Anime which certainly makes Bakugoat look much more impressive, I still don't get why people try to use this scene to make Bakugo be a blitz tier above All Might to be honest.
I can get the relativity or being a bit faster than Prime All Might but a blitz tier?? He's nowhere near as fast as Deku or Shigaraki who are both massively faster than PAM when at full power and are ACTUAL blitz tiers above.

We see how All For One reacts when he's getting genuinely perception blitzed. He literally has to do what Bakugo did earlier and predict Dekus movements in order to try and land a hit. Except its far worse because he can't even perceive him unlike Bakugo and AFO where he instantly deduces what Bakugo was doing.

We see Bakugo also get amped by Gearshift which is what allowed him to blitz and Damage All For One despite being nearly 3KM away iirc and in the process of killing All Might.

Against Rewind AFO after he gets the equipment from All Might, AFO gets caught off guard and blitzed by Bakugo just as he begins to move. Nothing especially impressive here since he was a stationary target and was off guard to bakugo sneaking him. Still good feat for Bakugo since he caught up to AFO before he could react and leaves All Might Impressed when the last time he saw Bakugo he was probably just about 45% Deku in speed to now being comparable to his own levels? Anyone would be impressed at that jump.

People like to use the argument of Bakugos movements or speed "flustering" Shigaraki/AFO as evidence he was much faster which I just don't agree with.
For one the definition of it per Cambridge Dictionary is "to make someone upset and confused , especially when they are trying to do something" In this case Bakugo was making All For One upset when he was trying to kill Bakugo. Edgeshot assumes it has to do with Bakugos speed and movements alone, he has no way of knowing Shigaraki and AFOs fusion was imperfect and what was going on in AFOS head.

Edge shot is not the sole reliable narrator to us, we the audience know All For One was panicking during that sequence of events because of Bakugos resemblance to Kudo, the person he hates most of all in the world. We see this when Rewind AFO looks at Bakugos face as well and gets flashbacks to Kudo without realizing why.

That is not to say his peak speed was prior to the All For One fight or that he didn't get faster, he would have absolutely gotten faster as he got more and more adept with it. But as we see even when AFO is caught off guard by the attack without gearshift amping him he doesn't do any real damage to AFO besides a small singe to where he took the attack despite both attacks being when AFO is off guard, Gearshift is just that big an Amp.
(lowkey could also just be the reason for why Gearshift Deku could block Apex Shigarakis attacks despite only being at 45% but thats a discussion for another time)

Still though, the speed difference between the two isn't anything crazy. Rewind AFO blitzes past him faster than Bakugo can react. Though Bakugo does get faster immediately after this theres no reason to think his perception and reaction speed would've increased with the speed increase he gets. as its primarily combat and travel speed amp and he was capable of reacting just fine to the gearshift amp earlier which is much stronger than him getting better with his quirk.

All For One is literally so tilted at Bakugo and doesn't deem him worthy of rewinding him at all unlike the other heroes who already have, he foregoes defending himself at all up until Bakugo stops him for the third time and his hatred for Kudo blows up. He is so fucking mad he thinks Kudos Spirit has transcended time and space just to fuck with him again. All For one also is the guy who explicitly says he's just going to ignore Bakugo and not even fight him and is at this point mentally unstable and his BIQ plummeted to the worst its ever been.

He decides to try and kill Bakugo, fuse with shigaraki and regain control all in one go consequences be damned just because of how sick of their shit he is.

TLDR: Bakugo is fast and is arguably faster than Prime All Might but he is by no means a blitz tier above Prime All Might or Rewind AFO. This is the equivalent of Kashimo Fans saying MBA is a blitz tier above the other Heavy Hitters despite it being full on headcannon. Sorry Kashimo fans but ur catching this stray.

Fun little art Horikoshi had in Ch 224 in the volume extra for 23 I noticed on a re read of MVA

Wanted to ask just in case I was missing something, but aside from the obvious in the Codex, Cutscenes and the Artbook of 2016 and Eternal, is there any other sources, guidebooks or otherwise cannon material that dives into the lore for Doom?
I know The Classic Doom manual dives a bit into the original Lore and that there were a few comics, but since I'm diving and compiling all the relevant lore for the Verse atm In preparation for Revelations I'd love to hear if I'm missing or unaware of any other materials for the series.
There is also Hugos Interviews which I'll inevitably get into to boot as well.

What the title says, who comes out on top in a free for all between these three titans.
Fight takes place inside the destroyed part of Jaku City.

R1:In Character and Shigaraki is quirkless
R2: In Character Shigaraki has access to his quirks
R3:Bloodlusted and no holding back from any of these three

Bonus Round: In Character Hood in a 1v1 with either Deku or Quirkless Shigaraki who wins and what difficulty.