Jun here, ready to get downvoted.

Going to discuss Fuuta now, the most inconsistent character to discuss, and the character where Bias shows that people cannot accept.

1. Before we begin, going to debunk a lot of common lies/misinformation people are spreading about Fuuta and his case.

• "Killcheroy is (Any Age)!" No, we do not know her age, it is not confirmed, we only know she was in middle school.
• "Killcheroy died because of suicide!" Again, no. We don't have evidence for this. We have Fuutas Word for it, and that's it. Nothing confirms it, no report or visuals aside from, at best, a single metaphor in Backdraft. Yuno also said she had an abortion, and she didn't now, did she? In fact, there is more evidence against her committing suicide. In Undercover, Kazui and Mahiru "kill" Es, and Es is seen with a single shoe missing, which is a common metaphor for suicide. When Fuuta is "killing" Es, they do not have a single shoe missing. Unless the writers forgot about it, it would be a very big inconsistency to not add that onto Fuuta.
• "Fuuta murdered-(or anything with Fuuta being put as a murderer)" Fuuta did not murder anyone, "Murder" is a lawful term, and Fuuta would not be put on trial for murder in a real court. Say a different word.
• "Fuuta stalked Killcheroy" No, he didn't. Stalking is, once more, a lawful term, and would not imply here because Fuuta did not do anything illegal to achieve the information. Everything Fuuta did to achieve the information he had about Killcheroy was public information, from pictures Killcheroy herself made and posted online, up to the school uniform she wore, where you could easily find out which school she goes to.
• "Fuuta was so popular" No, he was not, most of his posts didn't even reach 300 Views.

Those were FACTS you can research yourself with the information we have been given.

2. Another speed run, this time just with inconsistencies people love to apply.

• "Fuuta is a grown ass man", so are Shidou and Kazui who people love to take off all any any responsibility.
• "Fuuta had no reason to doxx Killcheroy", Yuno had no reason to go into sex work, Muu had no reason not to stab Rei but literally tell a teacher or her parents, Amane had no reason to kill her mother for sinning when she herself never got killed for sinning.

3. This one gets it own section, because I have unfiltered thoughts about this.

People often call Fuuta "The most guilty prisoner" in all of MILGRAM, and this is, in a vacuum, absurd to me.

Fuuta "bullied" people online (the things he wrote online, at least from what we saw are not even that bad but I am not going into this), and doxxed a person. Yes, that's bad.

Shidou killed a person. Muu killed a person. Amane killed a person. Haruka killed a person. Kotoko killed a person.

"But-But the intent!"

No, not the intent. The ACTION.

If someone stabs me right now, and I die, I don't care if they stabbed me because they hated me that much, or because it was an accident. I am DEAD. Regardless.

Putting intent over facts is putting feelings over logic.

What Shidou did was, objectively, worse than what Fuuta did. What Amane did, was, objectively worse than what Fuuta did. So on and so fourth. Fuuta being unlikeable does not change that.

4. Where it gets absolutely absurd to me.

I cannot understand Guilty Fuuta Voters and Innocent Fuuta Voters.

Both of them use arguments that make no sense if you look at it for five seconds and compare it with their other beliefs.

I will ignore people that vote Fuuta Innocent because they vote everyone Innocent, I have negative opinions about this anyway but I spoke about this already.

Let's begin with Innocent Fuuta Voters.

"I vote Fuuta Innocent because hes trying to improve himself as a human, trying to get better and sees his mistakes from the past."

Fuuta is currently using Amane for his own benefit, believing in a faith he himself does not believe in to fuel his escapeism, was completely fine with letting Shidou and Mahiru die just so Amane continues to believe and Fuuta, and his entire mentality was "Why did THIS happen to me" in T2. Not a "Yeah what I did was fucked up", not without anything added to it. He did zero self improvement as a human and remained a bad person, just in a different font: Before, he was a bad person that was unlikeable, now hes a person that is argueably likeable (though I do not agree) and is still a bad person.

"I vote Fuuta Guilty for doxxing Killcheroy without any reason"

And you don't vote Shidou, Muu or Amane Guilty even though they KILLED, even though they actually MURDERED before, something that is objectively worse. You vote Fuuta Guilty for an action he did that, while stupid, was not even remotely guaranteed to be lethal.

You also don't vote Yuno Guilty who, without any reason faked documents and willngly did sex work for fully selfish reasons. You also don't vote Kazui Guilty who, over a long time, LIED to his wife for fully selfish reasons.

Where it is absolutely the most absurd, though, is when Kotoko is brought up into the discussion. Especially when people "vote Kotoko Guilty because she attacked Mahiru, Fuuta, Mikoto and Amane" but then vote Fuuta Guilty for what he did to Killcheroy. So, are we just flip flopping our basis on arguments based on how it is convenient? For Fuuta, we JUDGE what happend BEFORE Milgram, while for Kotoko, we judge what she did INSIDE Milgram?

If that's the basis, why do you not vote Amane Guilty too for what she did INSIDE Milgram?

Maybe don't change up your reasoning for whenever a character gets guilty/inno based on who the character is.

Jun out.

Jun is making himself ready to call out hypocrisy and getting downvoted (again). W. Let's begin ASAP.

A lot, and I mean a lot of people get really, really mad at Haruka killing Animals. Ranging from dogs to other animals. So, I will simply ask: Why? This is very hypocritical, which I will now point out. And, for the record, I myself am not really that mad at Haruka killing animals. Since I, and most likely 95% of this sub support animals being killed and slaughtered every single day.

1. If you're not Vegan for a good reason (There are barely any), you cannot claim how "bad" it is that Haruka killed animals. You support animals being killed and slaughtered for your own benefit every single day.

Haruka killed animals, yes. So do you. Not only did you, most likely, already killed at least hundreds of insects throughout your entire life, if you drink milk, eat meat, eat eggs, use make-up that's non vegan, wear leather that's made from animal abuse, or much more, you support the animal abuse industry with your own funding, and pay for animals to get breed and slaughtered for you.

For those that don't know what being "Vegan" means, it means not consuming or support animal abuse as practically possible. This means if you need a medication that only exists with animal products being used, but beyond that don't support it, you are still vegan. This means if you only eat meat because "it's convenient", and don't do it often, you are not vegan.

2. Speedrunning arguments that are used against Veganism

"We always used to eat meat!" We also to be racist, have black people as slaves, see women as less, be against homosexuality as a whole, and much more.

"Lions eat meat too" You are a human, not a lion. A lion does not have empathy or cognitive functions on our level. We on the other hand can do a conscious decision to not participate in this.

"I only eat happy animals" So if something is happy, you think it's justified to kill it?

"Being vegan is unhealthy" No, it is not, there are enough studies that prove that vegans, on average, are healthier than non-vegans. The only thing you need to supplement with a well-thought out vegan diet is B12, something that ANIMALS also get supplemented into their food.

"It is so expensive" No, again, it is most likely not. Especially if you plan your diet around whole-foods rather than processed ones, your vegan diet will most likely end up cheaper than your non-vegan one.

"Plants get hurt too" No, they don't, plants do not have the same biological structure as animals and humans do that is needed to feel pain, and while yes, plants do feel something, it is not "pain" as we understand it, because for plants, it is only a "Am I dead or am I alive" question for their entire being.

"But I like the taste!" Okay, so if I like how you taste, can I eat you?

"We are natural hunters!" Okay, do you hunt? Is it natural that you are reading this reddit post with an electronic device? Is it natural to go to the supermarket and buy food instead of gathering it in the wild?

"But I don't kill the animals myself!" You pay for it to get killed. Demand High - Supply High. Demand Low - Supply Low.

"Animals can't say if they want to be alive" Nor can babies, disabled people, people that are asleep, or can't respond in any way. We don't kill them either, do we?

"But I am only eating meat rarely!" Okay, so if I only kill humans rarely that's better how?

Anyway, if you want more, use google or read this.

The 60 Most Common Arguments Against Veganism [Debunked]

3. "Okay, but I am vegetarian"

You still support that animals are bred, made pregnant, have their mother milk for their babies stolen, are separated from their babies, are killed at birth if they are male (since male chickens lay no eggs and are less profitable) and are seen as product. No matter how "happy" they are, they're products to you in the end.

4. "But you said you're not vegan"

Yes, I am not vegan for selfish reasons, and I do not pretend otherwise, nor do I pretend that I find it so awful what Haruka did. I will live Vegan in the future most likely, but I have zero right to say "how awful" it. I do not say "Haruka is guilty because he killed animals" like some other people do, or people that are so sad that Haruka killed that poor dog while eating their beef. If you think one is not fine while doing the other that's hypocritical and a cognitive dissonance.

If you're vegan, feel free to hate on Haruka for what he did. If you're not, stop being a hypocrite.

Jun out.

This is NOT a Tierlist. A Tierlist would look very different.

Speaking MY truth today.

Short intro - This post will NOT (or at least not in depth) go about Mahirus writing, which some people tend to judge harshly. I have my own opinions about her writing but I don't want to speak about this (in this post), but about Mahirus case as a whole, and her character within Milgram.

And yes - When I say the most innocent prisoner, I do mean it. More than Yuno.

Anyway, let's start.

1. Not an actual point, but something I want to point out regardless.

"Mahiru flirted with Es in T1, that was so weird and disgusting!" First of all, she was NOT flirting with Es, she herself stated that she meant it in a "Big Sis" way which is totally normal, and secondly, if we assume she was flirting with Es, why are those SAME people defending how Shidou talked with Es? "I want a child that is pure and innocent to execute me because I love children and..." Make it make sense. If you dislike Mahiru for "flirting" with Es, then stop defending such weird talk from Shidou. And I can say this with confidence because Mahiru was Guilty in T1 and Shidou was Innocent in T1.

2. Agency within her own case compared to other characters.

People hated it when I said that Yuno had Agency within her own case, because Yuno apparently can do no wrong in her life.

I want all of you to argue hard for the innocence of Mahiru, Kazui and Fuuta in particular.

If Yuno had no agency in her own case, neither did those three.

Mahiru never told her boyfriend to kill himself, so it's not her fault he did it.

Kazui never told his wife to kill herself, so it's not his fault he did it.

Fuuta never told killcheroy to kill herself, so it's not his fault she did it.

What a silly way of arguing that takes these characters off all and every accountability. Wait, I forgot. "Yuno was still a teenager!!!"

Okay, then if that's your argument, I want you to defend Haruka killing innocent animals too, because he was around fifteen when he started it, and therefore still a teenager, most likely even younger than Yuno.

"Well, there is nuance to it-"

No, you're just inconsistent with your reasoning and cannot accept that Yuno did something wrong in her life, which, by the way, does not make her evil or deserving of guilty...Just accepting that she herself is not a perfect innocent angel

3. Now, to the point I wanted to make - Comparing Mahiru to Fuuta and Kazui

Mahiru, Fuuta and Kazui have one thing in common - All three of them had their victim commit suicide (Well, it is not confirmed for Fuuta, as we only have Fuutas Word for it, and no proof beyond that because the report never stated how she died, but for this post I will assume Killcheroy killed herself)

Let's begin with Fuuta and why he had agency over his own case - Which is a pretty simple question to be answered. He started harassing a girl (and others) nearly unprovoked, joined a group of "socical warriors" unprovoked, and then doxxed a girl, nearly completely unprovoked (he was given some information about the girl, seen in The Appare March by other comments, but he still did the act of doxxing alone)

Now, for Kazui - He married a woman unprovoked, and admitted, multiple times that he did it for his own sake, as in, career for example (T3, Question 6). He lied to his wife for years, and his wife knew nothing about this for the longest time, and because she was pure she always tried to comfort Kazui and his needs above her own needs. The only outside agency that was there was Japan being Homophobic, which...Kazui could have evaded by simply not marrying anyone and dealing with slight backlash, and then saving money to move out of Japan.

So, what do we see in this? One Person does the act (Fuuta, Kazui) and the other was either lied to (Hinako) or did not consent to it and ended up being harassed (Killcheroy)

Now, let's look at Mahiru

Mahiru was born in a wealthy family, and was sheltered, and her family wanted Mahiru to marry a man that they chose. Because of that, Mahiru idolized the feelings of love. Mahiru, one day found one guy at he university and fell in love with him directly. The guy shared her feelings and also fell in love.

One day before Mahirus Wedding with the selected man from her family, she and her boyfriend ran away, moving from place to place to avoid the police. Once they no longer had enough money, they went to the mountains, and began everything and survive. And then, one day, her boyfriend comitted suicide.

So, why do I think Mahiru had close to no agency in her own case, or is the most innocent prisoner?

1. Both people CONSENTED to this, unlike, let's say, Kazui who lied to his wife for years.
2. Mahiru did NOT do it unprovoked, she had an active time limit (was about to be married to a man she did not love)
3. Her Boyfriend could have communicated with her better instead of killing himself. He already consented to all of this. He could have said "Hey, I can't do this anymore" or "Can we please go back to the city and explain everything?" But no, he killed himself. I will not blame Mahiru for this if HE can't communicate his own feelings to her.

So, in short - BOTH people agreed to the entire plan, BOTH people loved each other, Mahiru had a GOOD reason to do this, and her boyfriend could have done literally anything else.

Yuno had NO reason to do all of this, was unprovoked and simply could not have done it.

And - I need to clarify this - Mahirus Idea of love is NOT healthy, but her idea of love and what her case is about and what happend are two very different conversations, and her actions I can 100% forgive, more than anyone elses in Milgram.

I also already explained in one post why I never understood why Mahiru was voted Guilty T1 but oh well.

Jun is out

Hello! Amane is getting some very good questions, so here are my personal top twenty questions I hope they ask her in the future.

1. Would you have liked it if Kotoko attacked you back then?

2. Who did you kill?

3. Would you like if you were unforgiven this trial?

4. Is Haruka starving himself a sin?

5. Would you want god to forgive you?

6. Do you want to save Fuuta?

7. Did you ever interact with cats before?

8. Why did you kill who you killed?

9. Would you eat meat if you were allowed it?

10. Did you ever cry before?

11. How do you know your blood type is O? Wouldn't that be a sin to know?

12. Do you know that killing Shidou indirectly killed Mahiru?

13. Was Fuuta aware that you were going to kill Shidou?

14. Did you kill Shidou with a single blow, or with a repeated attack?

15. Would you like it if Fuuta was unforgiven and died?

16. What's your favorite school subject?

17. What's your major?

18. Are you aware that killing someone is against the Law?

19. If you sinned before yourself, isn't it unfair that you killed someone for sinning while you only got beat up?

20. Would you let Fuuta cut your hair again?

21. Why are you vegetarian and not vegan?

Jun really hopes those are the questions she will be asked.

I made a post about this, but not going in depth about it except under the comments. So I will try to write out my thoughts properly now. I will attempt my best to word it as well as I can so no misunderstandings can happen, but I have ADHD and most likely won't fool proof read my post. Well. Let's begin.

1. I need to make this clear - Yuno is not "Guilty", Evil or anything alike.

Before I write anything, I need to get this out of the way. I do not think Yuno should have been voted Guilty (At least not in T3. Where a character might die), or should be compared to literal murderers (Haruka, Kotoko, Muu...). None of the cast can even compare to her, really. At most, Mahiru, Kazui and Fuuta who also never killed someone. (Excluding Mikoto but he might join that list). But their circumstances are largely different, and in cases like Fuuta just worse. This is NOT enough reason to simply say "Well. Yuno is fully innocent then." You can say this, but I personally think this is largely unfair both to her and to others, too. There are are very few parts where I'd say Yuno actively did things wrong inside of MILGRAM either. The only part being her admitting to not checking up on Haruka, and pretty much using her Trauma to justify it. But most of the cast didn't check up on Haruka, and some characters (Fuuta and Kotoko) were actively aware he was starving himself and did nothing about it. So there is not much incentive to call Yuno "evil" on any front.

2. This gets it's own section so people absolutely get it. I do not think those men that Yuno worked with should have worked with Yuno.

Since I've had this debate before. I am not defending the people that Yuno worked with. It was morally questionable of them to sleep with Yuno, and I generally do not plan on stating that they were in the right for their actions. I want this to be absolutely clear. But with that, I also have to come up to point three.

3. Those men doing something morally questionable should not, by itself, take accountability from Yuno, who brought herself into that situation. The law agrees with this, too, and would protect them.

People love to gloss over this, and state that Yuno was a rape victim, and much more. But that is straight up not the truth, and only because something was morally wrong does not by itself mean it was legally wrong.

"Yuno was raped". I will go over this statement.

"Rape is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse, or other forms of sexual penetration, carried out against a person without their consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority, or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability, or is below the legal age of consent (statutory rape)."

So, this is pretty straight forward, in fact.

"But-But she was a minor!"

The Age of Consent is 16 in Japan. And - 2020 when Yuno was at High School, where she began sex-work, it was 13 (Though, in most cases, the minor in question was still being protected below 18, and sometimes 16).

Now, if we check out Yunos Birthday, the second September, and check when High-School starts (Around April), Yuno was either fifteen and only needed to wait around five months, or she was already sixteen. So that fact also doesn't really apply.

Now, with that out of the way, Yuno wasn't raped. Now, to those men. "Prostitution is illegal!" You may read this, or read the short sum of the most important stuff.

Is Prostitution Legal in Japan? A Complete Guide to Laws

Technically yes, practically there are two loopholes that Yuno directly used, which actually goes against her.

The Critical Loophole: How “Prostitution” Is Defined

This is where things get interesting. The law defines prostitution (売春, baishun) strictly as “vaginal intercourse with an unspecified person in exchange for compensation.”

That single sentence creates two enormous loopholes:

Loophole 1: “Vaginal intercourse” only. The legal definition covers only one specific sexual act. This means that oral sex, manual stimulation, and all other non-coital sexual acts are technically not prostitution under the law. An entire industry of sexual services has developed around this distinction.

Loophole 2: “Unspecified person.” The law prohibits sex with an unspecified person — essentially a stranger. If two people become “acquainted” before engaging in sexual activity, the transaction arguably falls outside the law’s scope. Some establishments have built their entire business model around this interpretation.

Yuno quite literally went on dates with a lot of people, which would fall into that broad category of the second loophole because 'technically they knew each other'.

"Once entering high school, she started to engage heavily in what was then called "sugar dating"."

Directly said in her report, alongside two full MVs of her going onto various dates. Once that loophole activates, Yuno is also free to engage in any kind of vaginal intercourse, because by factor those are two consenting people that know each other, not prostitution as a whole.

That entire act was fully legal, and you cannot put legal blame on either Yuno or the men she worked with, which many want to do, but which I want to directly speak against because your ethics and morals, nor mine go directly against what the law says. Even if it's just a technicality, and if those men were morally questionable, they act well within in their legal right.

4. Why is that even important, Jun?

This is important to difference because people pivot to blaming those men for everything, which makes arguing difficult if we can't even speak about Yunos actions in this. Which I want to do now, and where I want to clarify before that, once more, what those men did was morally questionable, but doesn't put Yuno off blame (for me.)

5. Yunos lack of foresight and people excusing that.

People never want to talk about this, but I will, and I will actually begin with something pretty easy.

Most people will agree that Fuuta doxxing Killcheroy was absolutely optional and not needed in any way, shape or form. The only reason we can name is his very obvious depression, which for most people is not enough to excuse it.

Yet...People will not agree that Yuno going into the sex work branch was absolutely optional, and not needed in any way, shape or form. When speaking about the 'Why', people will name her very obvious depression...

Funny how that works out, huh.

Well, anyway.

Yuno engaging in sex work is one of the most optional things in all of MILGRAM and could have easily not be done. She didn't need the money, or anything from it really. And even her "warmth" was, admitted by her, not really it.

But let's think about the 'what could have been done if she really wanted it'.

Well, for starters. Yuno used protection - so I will not hold her accountable for that. I will hold her accountable for not making a list of her past partners, though, and not documenting anything (I will get to this later). I hold her responsible for not even THINKING about the consequence of a baby. Everyone engaging in sex work should know that protection is never guranateed safety. She should have have had thought about it beforehand. Take a decision and stick with it. "If I get a baby, I will absolutely keep it and raise it". Or "If I get a baby, I will abort it for sure." Both of these decisions are fine with me. Neither of this happend. Yuno was in this weird cycle of "Yeah mhm maybe I want the child, maybe I don't want the child" which is...Suboptimal when you're pregnant, to say the least. But with all of this, I need to get to the next point.

6. The Baby and why I cannot feel much sympathy for Yuno.

Let's ask us a question. "What if Yuno had the baby?"

First of all - She doesn't know who the father is. This alone brings A LOT of issues with it.

Most obvious, the baby will grow up without a father, which is very bad for a baby. Reason two, what if the father had any conditions that the baby can get? Anything at all? We don't know. Yuno does not know. Who suffers from it? Correct. The baby. Most likely their whole life, depending on what it is because someone had to engage in the sex work act. Third, child support. You can't legally request child support from the father if you don't even know who the father is.

Two of these wouldn't have happend if Yuno kept track of who she slept with (or if she simply didn't do it at all). Now, about Yuno herself.

Does she have enough money to be a single mother from such a young age? Children are expensive. Will she need to work so much, her child might never see her? Will she even be a good mother? She is apathetic and cold to most people.

Worst case scenario - The baby grows up with a really bad condition and a struggling mother and has a shitty life for reasons they're not at fault for.

All because Yuno decided to keep the baby, and not plan ahead.

Abortions in Japan are allowed up to 22 weeks in. Enough time to notice and stop it, and prevent a life from suffering.

7. "So why do you do a post about this, Jun?"

I don't often use personal arguments in debates, but my story isn't too niche so it wouldn't apply.

As someone that grew up in poverty, without a mother figure and with ADHD passed down by genetics I will always feel worse for the child than for the mother or father. In this case, the mother because Yuno brought it upon herself. If that baby was born with a worse condition than me (Because ADHD is still pretty humane), and even worse conditions, no matter how much Yuno tries. THE BABY suffers. Maybe their whole life.

Saying "Oh no, those men were so evil" is easy. Thinking about the consequences the literal BABY will suffer from is not, apparently. Children aren't something you can get for fun, or should get because you need it for your emotional support. Children should be thought about before heavily, and be taken with a lot of consideration if you can really fulfill their needs. No child deserves to grow up in Poverty or with conditions that make them suffer. This is very selfish from the parent because ends up being the one suffering.

Yuno should have either planned ahead, or aborted the baby (Which I would have encouraged). Neither happend. The miscarriage is honestly the best thing that could have happend, because I am unsure what would have happend otherwise.

Get children responsibly, think about the consequences and think about the well-being of the child first. That always comes up first. If the child will suffer, think about it and don't be selfish for your own needs. Stop defending behavior that's irresponsible. Two people can be wrong at the same situation.

Jun out.

Those are MY opinions.

I don't like Es.

(This isn't directed at the MVs at all, obviously. This is - if I asked all of them right now in my room to sing, who would most likely be the best)

That trend is beneath me!

Kotoko is THE character that makes the most sense as the Judge, IMO, and I really wonder how Kotoko would judge everyone by the end of Milgram with their crimes out. This is my guess, BUT unsure???

Title. Not my current list, but my list when the Project is over.

Most of the cast is viable enough. Not ranked within tiers since I am lazy.