u/KamyKam77

Im just gonna say before I get into my thoughts that I am new Marvel fan. All my life I wasnt really into Marvel except for Spiderman, and even then it was just the raimi movies I was into. Sure I loved stuff like Marvel Vs Capcom, but I only liked the Capcom characters.

Late 2024, I started getting into Marvel because of Marvel Rivals, which is a game I basically play religiously. Because of that, it had the "Smash Bros Effect" is what I'd call it. I began to get into anything Marvel. I watched all of the Xmen movies (my favorite being Xmen 2 but I loved some others), most avengers movies and even started watching the Xmen show from the 90s.

Now from what I could gather, the Xmen are an oppressed group of extraordinary human beings that people hate because of their "X-factor". I think?

I had the impression that Charles Xavier was a good but humble dude.

That Beast was an intimidating but kind hearted scientist.

Gambit was the suave guy.

Rogue was the badass girl boss.

Magneto was the tragic villain.

Psylocke was the badass ninja lady (although i hate her entire backstory. Ill take Demon Days Sai any day).

And etc etc.

So why do I say all of this? Well because when I looked into more Xmen stuff, I noticed how apparently the Xmen series was a giant love triangle of constant pairings, breakups, infidelity, and more so of the sort.

And so I asked people "As a person who just got into Marvel a year ago, uh...why are the Xmen so damn horny??? Like seriously everytime I see one of these comics one person is banging someone else while banging like 16 other people.

Like damn I even saw that one comic where wolverine and Scott did it"

And the response i got was mostly "yeah the xmen are kinda crazy, horny, etc."

Then one of my friends who is a big time Marvel fan said this to me in a message;

"one part X-men is a soap opera that's been running since the early 60's so weird things happen sometimes and people point it out. second point the Krakoan era was EXTRAAAAA weird."

So i got really curious obviously. Why was this "Krakoa era" apparently so weird anyway?? It couldnt have been THAT bad right?

Krakoa was just a map from Marvel Rivals right? Ya know the one with the cool visuals and music??

Oh my God, when I tell yall...

Magneto and XAVIER are now apparently dictators who claim themselves as Gods and withhold cures for diseases from humans!

Beast starts commiting MASS GENOCIDE FOR WHATEVER REASON!

They apparently start saying "We need more mutants" which basically seems to me that they wanted the entire island to have a giant orgy or something.

Not to mention Apocalypse who is like the equivalent to Thanos' brother in regards to his infamy (i know he's not his brother obviously but isnt he like the Thanos for the Xmen?) Is now living with them. Magneto i can MAYBE understand but APOCALYPSE???

And then apparently a machine can ressurect any Mutant who ever lived just because. But not really because all it does is make a copy of the person and implant all of their memories before they died so its really just a clone.

Basically, its a hedonistic paradise. And yeah, hedonism is not bad per say, but hedonism usually comes with the context of evil or something similar. Or basically being selfish enough to disregard values for one's own pleasure while squandering everyone else's who gets in the way of that.

I heard that because the Xmen went through so many oppression and battles throughout the years, that the writers decided to give them a huge win for once.

But was THIS REALLY THE WAY TO DO IT?

No let's stand against the humans instead of with them like Xavier said in the show. Let's have giant sex parties and date each other for the sole purpose of there being more than us. Let's kill a whole bunch of people and wonder why Cap hates us.

Like seriously, as a dude who just got into all of this, this seriously dismantled alot of respect i had for the Xmen. And apparently this all happened in the 616 universe, the main one.

Look I get it, I might get ALOT of hate for my take on this and I am more than willing to accept if there's misunderstandings, but I just cant see how any of this is good storytelling.

I already hate Jubilee sucking off Apocalypse any chance she gets in Rivals, but now anytime I hear anything about Krakoa in the game, I just cant help but cringe.

My biggest thought was "How the hell is this NOT a huge villain origin story?" Because thats exactly what this sounds like.

Ive seen some issues with how Cap hates the Xmen, or that one panel where Spiderman cussed the Xmen out, well now im starting to get the impression that they deserved all of that. Do they deserve to be oppressed? Absolutely not.

But just because the Xmen were oppressed doesnt give them validation enough to act like jackasses like this.

I am very interested in anyone seeing this and giving me their thoughts. Do yall agree, disagree, think im stupid whatever else. Just lmk.

Tldr; The Krakoan era is terrible because it heavily washes away all of the good i experienced with the Xmen as a whole with mass genocide, God complexes, breeding galore, withholding cures for diseases from humans, a stupid resurrection machine, and framing it as a huge win that lasted 5 years.

I cannot believe this. Wow, so amazing for Jubilee, so amazing for her. And with Mantis no less? Oh yeah girl love FTWWW 🔥🔥

I cannot believe this. Wow, so amazing for Mantis, so amazing for her. And with Jubilee no less? Oh yeah girl love FTWWW 🔥🔥

Alright so I did my own study of both Jubilee and Luna Snows base game models. So heres what I found.

First of all differences.

1. Luna is very slightly taller than Jubilee

2. Jubilee has a wider mouth than Luna, but this is relative to her own face, as Luna's mouth is wider since her model is bigger. This results in Jubilee having a more "circular" mouth, while Lunas is more "ovalular" (Is that a word?)

3.Lunas eyes are slightly narrower, and curve up on the ends. Jubilees eyes look as if Lunas eyes were made wider and the up curve was flattened out.

4.Jubilee has a smoother and more curved nose bridge as opposed to Luna.

5.Admittedly, Luna has a wider face in general as opposed to Jubilee where her face is more narrow. Whether its because of the difference between the scale of the models is unknown, but it also highlights the fact that certain things like Lunas eyes, nose and mouth have wider gaps between them compared to Jubilee.

6. Not really relative to her face, but Jubilee has a smaller waist compared to Luna, at this point, Joobies needs a sandwich.

7. The vertices do have their differences across both models. But their very minor and look as if they were very slightly moved around. I of course mean in regards to the concept that Joobies' model is based off of Luna's.

8. Joobies has a very VERY slightly wider nose, but again, this could be due to her smaller face overall.

9. Joobies Underjaw(?) is less narrow, whereas Lunas is more compressed.

10. Joobies'...chest is bigger.

Thats it, now similarities.

1.Their vertices are VERY similar. While I said that they have their differences, I also said MINOR, as to an untrained eye, they look practically the same. And again, alot of these differences could be due to scale.

2. They have the same jawline.

3. The inside, angle, and curves of their noses are the same.

And unfortunately...thats it.

I wanted the OBJECTIVE truth rather than a biased one (for me my bias was that they used the same face model as Lunas to make Jubilee) and yeah there ARE differences...HOWEVER....

If you paid attention, you would notice that the changes are very minor. Scale is doing alot of the work here on the difference on both of their faces here, so any changes that are here are very minute.

Regardless of such, OBVIOUSLY, no one is saying they used the SAME exact model 1:1 to make Jubilee, but most people are saying that yeah, the faces are very similar.

In fact, in doing my research, if I didn't know anything about Marvel, I would have thought that they were sisters. The changes between the faces are not enough to justify them being completely different characters just on appearance alone. As of course, certain characters' models are changed from skin to skin in this game.

Jubilees face should have had a smoother chin and jawline, maybe a less pronounced nose, and either slightly narrower or wider eyes. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it does WONDERS to avoid same face syndrome.

My final conclusion is this; Jubilee and Luna Snow have very similar faces in this game. Almost but not really twins, BUT close enough to think theyre related or straight up sisters. Easily a mistake could be made that Jubilee could have just been a skin for Luna. While there are definitely differences in terms of anatomy and topolgy, when you put the models side by side at first glance, theyre practically alike in very many ways.

Games usually make models very similarily with specific characters that are inherently alike. Such as Sonic and Shadow, or maybe a Goku and Gohan model for better example, but Luna and Jubilee are COMPLETELY differnent characters with no connection towards each other other than the fact they're both asian. And not even really since Luna is Korean and Joobies is Chinese-American.

Please don't feeln ashamed for calling out the devs, its the truth at the end of the day. A fact that they are now severely running into "same face syndrome" for the characters now. I still love Jubilee with all my heart but I really hope this issue or deisgn oversight doesnt affect future characters.

And yeah, I get it, not everybody cares about this. My autism and adhd might be showing strong in this one, but its because I care, and if the devs are making a game I love, they should care too. Or dont. Its their choice.

Alright so I did my own study of both Jubilee and Luna Snows base game models. So heres what I found.

First of all differences.

1. Luna is very slightly taller than Jubilee

2. Jubilee has a wider mouth than Luna, but this is relative to her own face, as Luna's mouth is wider since her model is bigger. This results in Jubilee having a more "circular" mouth, while Lunas is more "ovalular" (Is that a word?)

3.Lunas eyes are slightly narrower, and curve up on the ends. Jubilees eyes look as if Lunas eyes were made wider and the up curve was flattened out.

4.Jubilee has a smoother and more curved nose bridge as opposed to Luna.

5.Admittedly, Luna has a wider face in general as opposed to Jubilee where her face is more narrow. Whether its because of the difference between the scale of the models is unknown, but it also highlights the fact that certain things like Lunas eyes, nose and mouth have wider gaps between them compared to Jubilee.

6. Not really relative to her face, but Jubilee has a smaller waist compared to Luna, at this point, Joobies needs a sandwich.

7. The vertices do have their differences across both models. But their very minor and look as if they were very slightly moved around. I of course mean in regards to the concept that Joobies' model is based off of Luna's.

8. Joobies has a very VERY slightly wider nose, but again, this could be due to her smaller face overall.

9. Joobies Underjaw(?) is less narrow, whereas Lunas is more compressed.

10. Joobies'...chest is bigger.

Thats it, now similarities.

1.Their vertices are VERY similar. While I said that they have their differences, I also said MINOR, as to an untrained eye, they look practically the same. And again, alot of these differences could be due to scale.

2. They have the same jawline.

3. The inside, angle, and curves of their noses are the same.

And unfortunately...thats it.

I wanted the OBJECTIVE truth rather than a biased one (for me my bias was that they used the same face model as Lunas to make Jubilee) and yeah there ARE differences...HOWEVER....

If you paid attention, you would notice that the changes are very minor. Scale is doing alot of the work here on the difference on both of their faces here, so any changes that are here are very minute.

Regardless of such, OBVIOUSLY, no one is saying they used the SAME exact model 1:1 to make Jubilee, but most people are saying that yeah, the faces are very similar.

In fact, in doing my research, if I didn't know anything about Marvel, I would have thought that they were sisters. The changes between the faces are not enough to justify them being completely different characters just on appearance alone. As of course, certain characters' models are changed from skin to skin in this game.

Jubilees face should have had a smoother chin and jawline, maybe a less pronounced nose, and either slightly narrower or wider eyes. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it does WONDERS to avoid same face syndrome.

My final conclusion is this; Jubilee and Luna Snow have very similar faces in this game. Almost but not really twins, BUT close enough to think theyre related or straight up sisters. Easily a mistake could be made that Jubilee could have just been a skin for Luna. While there are definitely differences in terms of anatomy and topolgy, when you put the models side by side at first glance, theyre practically alike in very many ways.

Games usually make models very similarily with specific characters that are inherently alike. Such as Sonic and Shadow, or maybe a Goku and Gohan model for better example, but Luna and Jubilee are COMPLETELY differnent characters with no connection towards each other other than the fact they're both asian. And not even really since Luna is Korean and Joobies is Chinese-American.

Please don't feeln ashamed for calling out the devs, its the truth at the end of the day. A fact that they are now severely running into "same face syndrome" for the characters now. I still love Jubilee with all my heart but I really hope this issue or deisgn oversight doesnt affect future characters.

And yeah, I get it, not everybody cares about this. My autism and adhd might be showing strong in this one, but its because I care, and if the devs are making a game I love, they should care too. Or dont. Its their choice.

Alright so I did my own study of both Jubilee and Luna Snows base game models. So heres what I found.

First of all differences.

1. Luna is very slightly taller than Jubilee

2. Jubilee has a wider mouth than Luna, but this is relative to her own face, as Luna's mouth is wider since her model is bigger. This results in Jubilee having a more "circular" mouth, while Lunas is more "ovalular" (Is that a word?)

3.Lunas eyes are slightly narrower, and curve up on the ends. Jubilees eyes look as if Lunas eyes were made wider and the up curve was flattened out.

4.Jubilee has a smoother and more curved nose bridge as opposed to Luna.

5.Admittedly, Luna has a wider face in general as opposed to Jubilee where her face is more narrow. Whether its because of the difference between the scale of the models is unknown, but it also highlights the fact that certain things like Lunas eyes, nose and mouth have wider gaps between them compared to Jubilee.

6. Not really relative to her face, but Jubilee has a smaller waist compared to Luna, at this point, Joobies needs a sandwich.

7. The vertices do have their differences across both models. But their very minor and look as if they were very slightly moved around. I of course mean in regards to the concept that Joobies' model is based off of Luna's.

8. Joobies has a very VERY slightly wider nose, but again, this could be due to her smaller face overall.

9. Joobies Underjaw(?) is less narrow, whereas Lunas is more compressed.

10. Joobies'...chest is bigger.

Thats it, now similarities.

1.Their vertices are VERY similar. While I said that they have their differences, I also said MINOR, as to an untrained eye, they look practically the same. And again, alot of these differences could be due to scale.

2. They have the same jawline.

3. The inside, angle, and curves of their noses are the same.

And unfortunately...thats it.

I wanted the OBJECTIVE truth rather than a biased one (for me my bias was that they used the same face model as Lunas to make Jubilee) and yeah there ARE differences...HOWEVER....

If you paid attention, you would notice that the changes are very minor. Scale is doing alot of the work here on the difference on both of their faces here, so any changes that are here are very minute.

Regardless of such, OBVIOUSLY, no one is saying they used the SAME exact model 1:1 to make Jubilee, but most people are saying that yeah, the faces are very similar.

In fact, in doing my research, if I didn't know anything about Marvel, I would have thought that they were sisters. The changes between the faces are not enough to justify them being completely different characters just on appearance alone. As of course, certain characters' models are changed from skin to skin in this game.

Jubilees face should have had a smoother chin and jawline, maybe a less pronounced nose, and either slightly narrower or wider eyes. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it does WONDERS to avoid same face syndrome.

My final conclusion is this; Jubilee and Luna Snow have very similar faces in this game. Almost but not really twins, BUT close enough to think theyre related or straight up sisters. Easily a mistake could be made that Jubilee could have just been a skin for Luna. While there are definitely differences in terms of anatomy and topolgy, when you put the models side by side at first glance, theyre practically alike in very many ways.

Games usually make models very similarily with specific characters that are inherently alike. Such as Sonic and Shadow, or maybe a Goku and Gohan model for better example, but Luna and Jubilee are COMPLETELY differnent characters with no connection towards each other other than the fact they're both asian. And not even really since Luna is Korean and Joobies is Chinese-American.

Please don't feeln ashamed for calling out the devs, its the truth at the end of the day. A fact that they are now severely running into "same face syndrome" for the characters now. I still love Jubilee with all my heart but I really hope this issue or deisgn oversight doesnt affect future characters.

And yeah, I get it, not everybody cares about this. My autism and adhd might be showing strong in this one, but its because I care, and if the devs are making a game I love, they should care too. Or dont. Its their choice.

Edit: Thank yall so much for the feedback! Its crazy that I woke up to this post with more than 1k upvotes, so for that I'll give my thanks 😊

Someone asked if I should compare the normals and textures between the two, and honestly I wish I could but im still a beginner in Blender actually. While I do know how to roughly model and animate, I am still learning.

With that being said I mainly did this as a creative homework sort of excercise to learn more about 3D Modeling in general. I honestly thought my research would be mocked in some way but I'm glad to see that its being met with Gratitude. This was actually very fun to do.

Again, I came to the conclusion I came to about their models. They do have their differences but as you guys have no doubt noticed, the differences do not outweigh how Similar they are. But most of yall lovely people already know that.

Again, the goal of this project was not to prove that the faces are the same, but to find out how similar they are to each other and whether or not its a concern in general.

Thank yall! Stay blessed Rivals! Let me know if I should tackle anything else!

I dont know if im the only one who sees this, but for some reason, Cyclops looks like he has dandruff on the back of his head in my game. I showed my friend this but she didnt have this problem. Is anyone else seeing this??

Edit: After verifying the shader cache, going into the launcher and clearing that and whatever the other thing is without clearing the configuration files, and changing and fidddling with the graphics settings, his hair still looks the same. I seriously dont know whats causing this issue on my end and not others.

Maybe they'll patch it later? But im honestly suprised not many others are seeing this.

This shit took 12 hours...

I started on this back in January of 2025, forgot about it, then came back to finish it for my video. I had 5 hours on it at first then added SEVEN MORE so yeah. Mostly just changed the hair, the eyes and all that but yeah.

This took a long time to do, but I love how it came out! I hate how this design of Sai is so passed on but I think its her BEST look ever. I'm dead serious.

Only problem is just how hard it is to draw and fully render her because of all the accesories and stuff she has. Which is the reason why I took some creative liberties or got some things wrong probably. But at the same time, its in my artstyle, and thats whats most important 😄

I love Sai, she is my baby. That is all.

Why do her skin cosmetics not all change with each variation of color? It only changes for all of the default options and not the extras. I hope this is a design oversight or something because it screams ripoff to me.