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Hi everyone,

After my last post about whether the Chinese stock market is actually investable, most people basically said to avoid it.

I get the concerns. I understand why a lot of people don’t want direct exposure to Chinese equities.

At the same time, I still think the China story is far from over, especially in areas like AI chips, robotics, EVs, batteries, and other industrial sectors.

So for this post, I’d rather forget about direct Chinese stock investing and talk about other ways to benefit from China’s growth.

What countries or markets could benefit from China’s development? Emerging Market Asia ?
Are there sectors outside China that could still capture part of this trend?
Would metals or precious metals make sense in that context?
If yes, would you think more about gold, silver, copper, or something else?

I’m not asking for personal investment advice, just trying to understand how people think about the broader China theme without owning Chinese stocks directly.

Bonjour à tous,

J’ai environ 200k€ que je ne peux pas investir sur le long terme, car j’en aurai besoin dans un an pile.
Du coup, je cherche surtout à la placer de la manière la plus prudente possible pendant cette période, tout en essayant d’en tirer le meilleur rendement raisonnable.

J’ai déjà commencé à utiliser les livrets classiques, et je pense aussi remplir mon Livret A et mon LDDS.
Mais je me demande s’il existe d’autres options intéressantes dans mon cas.

Mes critères sont assez simples :

• horizon d’environ 1 an,
• argent qui doit rester liquide,
• risque quasiment nul,
• objectif de rendement modeste, autour de ce qu’on peut espérer sur des supports très prudents.

Je sais bien qu’il ne faut pas s’attendre à des miracles sur ce genre de placement, et je n’imagine pas dépasser des rendements très élevés.
Je cherche surtout à éviter que cette somme dorme complètement, sans prendre de risque inutile.

Si certains ont des idées de supports ou de stratégies adaptées à ce cas, je suis preneur de vos retours.

Bonjour à tous,

J’aimerais lancer une discussion générale sur le fait de savoir si le marché boursier chinois peut réellement être considéré comme investissable pour un investisseur de long terme.

J’entends souvent deux visions très différentes :

D’un côté, la Chine est vue comme un marché immense, avec un fort potentiel de croissance à long terme et de grandes entreprises dans de nombreux secteurs.

De l’autre, on met en avant le risque politique, l’imprévisibilité réglementaire, la protection limitée des actionnaires, et le fait que le gouvernement peut avoir une influence importante sur les sociétés cotées et sur le comportement du marché.

Ce qui rend la question particulièrement intéressante pour moi, c’est que la Chine est souvent incluse dans les indices émergents, alors qu’elle semble avoir un profil de risque très différent des autres pays de cette catégorie.

Du coup, je suis curieux d’avoir vos avis en général :

• Considérez-vous la Chine comme un marché investissable ?
• Le risque politique et réglementaire vous paraît-il supérieur à l’opportunité de croissance ?
• Traitez-vous la Chine comme une exposition émergente normale, ou comme un cas à part ?
• Pensez-vous que ce marché dépend trop de l’orientation de l’État pour être analysé comme un marché actions classique ?

Je ne cherche pas de conseil d’investissement personnel ni de recommandations d’achat ou de vente spécifiques, seulement à comprendre comment vous abordez cette question d’un point de vue plus large, en termes de portefeuille et de structure de marché.

Hello everyone,

I’d like to start a general discussion about whether the Chinese stock market can really be considered investable for long-term investors.

I often hear two very different views:

• On one side, China is seen as a huge market with long-term growth potential and major companies in many sectors.
• On the other side, people point to political risk, regulatory unpredictability, weak shareholder protections, and the fact that the government can have a strong influence on listed companies and market behavior.

What makes this especially interesting to me is that China is often included in emerging market indices, even though it seems to have a very different risk profile from other countries in that category.

So I’m curious about how people here think about it in general:

• Do you consider China investable as a market?
• Does political and regulatory risk outweigh the growth opportunity?
• Do you treat China as a normal emerging market exposure, or as a separate case entirely?
• Do you think the market is too dependent on state direction to be analyzed like a typical equity market?

I’m not looking for personal investment advice or specific buy/sell recommendations, just interested in how people think about the question from a broad portfolio and market-structure perspective.

Hello everyone,

I keep going back and forth on China as an investment.

The market is obviously massive, but the political and regulatory risk makes me hesitate. It feels like the government can have a much bigger influence there than in most other stock markets.

So I’m wondering how people here think about it in general.
Do you see China as a normal part of emerging markets, or as something completely different?

Just looking for opinions and discussion, not personal advice.

Hello folks,

I’d like to hear general views on long-term portfolio construction for someone approaching retirement in about 4 years.

Quick background:

• Current net worth: around €700k
• Current allocation: roughly 95% US large-cap equities, 5% crypto
• I keep investing monthly, around €7k per month
• I do not plan to sell my current holdings
• I am only using new contributions to gradually diversify

What I’m trying to understand:

• How do people think about reducing concentration risk in a portfolio that is heavily tilted toward US large-cap equities?
• What types of diversification actually change the risk profile of a portfolio, rather than just adding more lines?
• For emerging markets, what are the main arguments for passive exposure versus active management?
• Where does gold fit in a long-term equity-heavy portfolio, if at all?
• How do you think about China exposure in a long-term allocation, especially given political and regulatory risk?

What I’m not looking to do:

• Add individual stocks
• Add small caps
• Build a classic MSCI World allocation
• Add bonds before retirement
• Make a major change to my US exposure

I’m mostly interested in different frameworks for thinking about risk, diversification, and portfolio design.

My current thinking is roughly:

• Keep a strong US core
• Add some emerging markets exposure
• Possibly add a small gold allocation
• Possibly include China, or maybe exclude China from the emerging markets sleeve

I’m trying to avoid cosmetic diversification and focus on exposures that are actually different from one another.

Also, just to be clear, I have a separate cash reserve for short-term needs, so this question is only about invested assets and long-term allocation.

Thanks in advance for any perspectives.

Bonjour les financiers,

J’ai besoin d’un avis externe sur une stratégie d’investissement long terme, avec un objectif de départ à la retraite dans environ 4 ans.

Contexte rapide :

Patrimoine actuel : environ 700 k€.

Répartition actuelle : environ 95% actions US large cap, 5% crypto.

Je continue d’investir mensuellement, autour de 7 k€ par mois.

Je ne souhaite pas vendre mes positions actuelles.

Mon but est de diversifier progressivement via les nouveaux apports uniquement.

Objectif :

À l’horizon retraite, je vise un portefeuille encore très orienté actions.

Je cherche surtout à réduire le risque de concentration, pas à faire une allocation “monde” classique.

Convictions :

Je reste très confiant sur les États-Unis à long terme.

Je ne veux pas réduire fortement mon exposition américaine.

En revanche, je suis conscient du risque de concentration sur un seul pays, un seul style de marché, et les grandes valeurs de croissance.

Ce que je n’envisage pas :

actions individuelles,

small caps,

indices européens,

allocation MSCI World classique,

obligations avant la retraite.

Pistes que j’étudie :

marchés émergents, en ETF passifs ou en fonds actifs,

ETF ou fonds émergents hors Chine,

éventuellement l’or comme diversifiant,

éventuellement une petite poche Chine, mais je suis très partagé sur le sujet.

Ce que je cherche :

Préféreriez-vous des ETF passifs ou des fonds actifs sur les émergents ?

Dans mon cas, l’or a-t-il du sens, ou vaut-il mieux rester sur les émergents ?

La Chine vous paraît-elle investissable dans une allocation long terme, ou trop dépendante du risque politique ?

J’essaie de construire une allocation qui reste cohérente (80% SP500, 5% BTC, 5% Gold, 5% China ETF, 5% Emerging with China Excluded), sans tomber dans la diversification cosmétique.

Merci d’avance pour vos retours.

Hello folks,

I’d like an outside opinion on a long-term investment strategy, with a target of retiring in about 4 years.

Quick background:

• Current net worth: around €700k
• Current allocation: roughly 95% US large-cap equities, 5% crypto
• I keep investing monthly, around €7k per month
• I do not want to sell my current holdings
• My goal is to gradually diversify only through new contributions

Objective:
By retirement, I want to still have a portfolio that is heavily equity-oriented.
My main goal is to reduce concentration risk, not to build a classic “global market” allocation.

My convictions:

• I remain very bullish on the US over the long run
• I do not want to significantly reduce my US exposure
• That said, I am aware of the concentration risk in having exposure to just one country, one market style, and especially large-cap growth stocks

What I am not considering:

• Individual stocks
• Small caps
• European indices
• A classic MSCI World allocation
• Bonds before retirement

Ideas I am currently exploring:

• Emerging markets, either through passive ETFs or active funds
• Emerging markets ETFs or funds excluding China
• Gold as a diversifier
• Possibly a small China allocation, although I am still very undecided on that

What I’d like feedback on:

• Would you prefer passive ETFs or active funds for emerging markets?
• In my case, does gold make sense, or is it better to stay with emerging markets?
• Do you think China is investable as part of a long-term allocation, or is the political risk too high?

I am trying to build an allocation that stays coherent, something like:
80% S&P 500, 5% BTC, 5% gold, 5% China ETF, 5% emerging markets excluding China
without falling into cosmetic diversification.

Hello folks,

I’d like an outside opinion on a long-term investment strategy, with a target of retiring in about 4 years.

Quick background:

• Current net worth: around €700k
• Current allocation: roughly 95% US large-cap equities, 5% crypto
• I keep investing monthly, around €7k per month
• I do not want to sell my current holdings
• My goal is to gradually diversify only through new contributions

Objective:
By retirement, I want to still have a portfolio that is heavily equity-oriented.
My main goal is to reduce concentration risk, not to build a classic “global market” allocation.

My convictions:

• I remain very bullish on the US over the long run
• I do not want to significantly reduce my US exposure
• That said, I am aware of the concentration risk in having exposure to just one country, one market style, and especially large-cap growth stocks

What I am not considering:

• Individual stocks
• Small caps
• European indices
• A classic MSCI World allocation
• Bonds before retirement

Ideas I am currently exploring:

• Emerging markets, either through passive ETFs or active funds
• Emerging markets ETFs or funds excluding China
• Gold as a diversifier
• Possibly a small China allocation, although I am still very undecided on that

What I’d like feedback on:

• Would you prefer passive ETFs or active funds for emerging markets?
• In my case, does gold make sense, or is it better to stay with emerging markets?
• Do you think China is investable as part of a long-term allocation, or is the political risk too high?

I am trying to build an allocation that stays coherent, something like:
80% S&P 500, 5% BTC, 5% gold, 5% China ETF, 5% emerging markets excluding China
without falling into cosmetic diversification.

IMPORTANT EDIT : I’ve only described my invested assets. I will always have at least two years of cash on hand, so there’s no concern on that front.
Also, my withdrawal rate can go down to 2%, so there’s no concern regarding early-stage return risk either.

Hello folks,

I’d like an outside opinion on a long-term investment strategy, with a target of retiring in about 4 years.

Quick background:

• Current net worth: around €700k
• Current allocation: roughly 95% US large-cap equities, 5% crypto
• I keep investing monthly, around €7k per month
• I do not want to sell my current holdings
• My goal is to gradually diversify only through new contributions

Objective:
By retirement, I want to still have a portfolio that is heavily equity-oriented.
My main goal is to reduce concentration risk, not to build a classic “global market” allocation.

My convictions:

• I remain very bullish on the US over the long run
• I do not want to significantly reduce my US exposure
• That said, I am aware of the concentration risk in having exposure to just one country, one market style, and especially large-cap growth stocks

What I am not considering:

• Individual stocks
• Small caps
• European indices
• A classic MSCI World allocation
• Bonds before retirement

Ideas I am currently exploring:

• Emerging markets, either through passive ETFs or active funds
• Emerging markets ETFs or funds excluding China
• Gold as a diversifier
• Possibly a small China allocation, although I am still very undecided on that

What I’d like feedback on:

• Would you prefer passive ETFs or active funds for emerging markets?
• In my case, does gold make sense, or is it better to stay with emerging markets?
• Do you think China is investable as part of a long-term allocation, or is the political risk too high?

I am trying to build an allocation that stays coherent, something like:
80% S&P 500, 5% BTC, 5% gold, 5% China ETF, 5% emerging markets excluding China
without falling into cosmetic diversification.

IMPORTANT EDIT : I’ve only described my invested assets. I will always have at least two years of cash on hand, so there’s no concern on that front.
Also, my withdrawal rate can go down to 2%, so there’s no concern regarding early-stage return risk either.

Bonjour les financiers,

J’ai besoin d’un avis externe sur une stratégie d’investissement long terme, avec un objectif de départ à la retraite dans environ 4 ans.

Contexte rapide :

Patrimoine actuel : environ 700 k€.

Répartition actuelle : environ 95% actions US large cap, 5% crypto.

Je continue d’investir mensuellement, autour de 7 k€ par mois.

Je ne souhaite pas vendre mes positions actuelles.

Mon but est de diversifier progressivement via les nouveaux apports uniquement.

Objectif :

À l’horizon retraite, je vise un portefeuille encore très orienté actions.

Je cherche surtout à réduire le risque de concentration, pas à faire une allocation “monde” classique.

Convictions :

Je reste très confiant sur les États-Unis à long terme.

Je ne veux pas réduire fortement mon exposition américaine.

En revanche, je suis conscient du risque de concentration sur un seul pays, un seul style de marché, et les grandes valeurs de croissance.

Ce que je n’envisage pas :

actions individuelles,

small caps,

indices européens,

allocation MSCI World classique,

obligations avant la retraite.

Pistes que j’étudie :

marchés émergents, en ETF passifs ou en fonds actifs,

ETF ou fonds émergents hors Chine,

éventuellement l’or comme diversifiant,

éventuellement une petite poche Chine, mais je suis très partagé sur le sujet.

Ce que je cherche :

Préféreriez-vous des ETF passifs ou des fonds actifs sur les émergents ?

Dans mon cas, l’or a-t-il du sens, ou vaut-il mieux rester sur les émergents ?

La Chine vous paraît-elle investissable dans une allocation long terme, ou trop dépendante du risque politique ?

J’essaie de construire une allocation qui reste cohérente (80% SP500, 5% BTC, 5% Gold, 5% China ETF, 5% Emerging with China Excluded), sans tomber dans la diversification cosmétique.

IMPORTANT : Je n'ai décrit que mes actifs investis. Je disposerai toujours d'au moins deux ans de liquidités, donc aucun souci de ce côté-là.

De plus, mon taux de retrait peut descendre jusqu'à 2 %, ce qui élimine tout risque de perte en capital en début de période.

Merci d’avance pour vos retours.