[ALL] Religions of Hyrule Part 4: The forest folk.

Part 3 is here: [ALL] Religions of Hyrule Part 3: The Gorons (Also includes New Hyrule) : r/truezelda

This is going to be the final part, unless somebody thinks I missed anything.

The Kokiri and Koroks

There's much not to say about the Koroks. As opposed to being a race of people who worship a god, the Koroks themselves appear to be spirits themselves, and BotW implies their the same species as the Deku Tree, effectively making them a hive of some kind.

The Kokiri seem to be different. They seem to be a race, also produced by the Deku Tree, created specifically in preparation for the Hero of Time. The have a village, which by both WW and TP is abandoned, presumably because they are no longer needed.

There's a theory that the oracle Farore by be a Kokiri, although, in her case, her progenitor would be one of, or both the Maku Trees, where she makes her home. This would imply the Kokiri's existence is tied strictly to grooming the Hero of Time. If this is true, this would mean the Kokiri, as a whole, as created to interact with Hylians.

In Oot, Saria mentions "Forest Spirits", with the context that they are separate to the Kokiri. I already covered this in another post, but the short version is that these "Forest spirits" are actually the spirits of deceased Humans, like the Stalfos, Skull Kids and Poe Sisters. The irony being that, the forest Spirits (Koroks) became people (Kokiri), whereas the people (humans) became the Forest spirits (various undead).

Deku Scrubs

The Deku have an interesting out-of-universe history. The were clearly envisioned as a type of "monster". Ones that are capable of being non-antagonistic. MM would make them a race akin to the Goron and Zora, albeit still antagonistic to some extent.

In terms of religion, the Deku appear to be your typical false idol worshipers. In OoT, they consider Ghoma their "Queen" and in FSA worship Ganon (actually, Phantom Ganon) as their "god".

In OoT, they mention a "Forest Totem", who apparently resembles the Skull Mask. I came up with a theory that Ganondorf may have posed as a god, using a Skull Mask in order to trick un Deku Scrub into doing his bidding. Phantom Ganon of the Forest Temple may be based on Ganondorf's disguise.

In Eow, this gets modernized as a fad. Whilst they don't worship Ghoma, they do get hooked on the webs it produces, which they use to make "cotton candy". It becomes so bad they even arrest Zelda when she gets rid of one of the rifts producing it, despite saving a Deku's home.

Whilst there isn't much evidence for it, it's believed that Odowla may have been the MM Deku god at one point. It's unlikely Odowla was ever a real god. If you;re going to say Odowla is a god, you might as well say the same for the other bosses.

That bign said, knowing what we know about the Deku in Hyrule, there's still a chance Odowla may have posed as a god to trick the Deku, before being defeated in the past. The Temple does have a lot of insect imagery, after all.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 10 days ago

[ALL] Religions of Hyrule Part 3: The Gorons (Also includes New Hyrule)

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The Gorons

In contrast to the Zora, Goron religion doesn't realy put much enthesis on individual gods. The exception being in ST, but I'll get to that later.

The main focus of Goron beliefs revolved around "Hero Worship". This is reflected in their temples, which house weapons once used by an ancient hero, such as the Megaton Hammer in the Fire Temple and the Hero's Bow in Goron Mines. The Gorons of Termina revear Darmani.

There's a popular theory that Volvagia, remembered as an "evil dragon, who ate Gorons", may have been the Death Mountain Guardian in the past, who was trying to protect the Mountain from the Gorons, but ended up getting killed by the Goron "Hero". Of course, as they say "History is written by the winners".

It's possible this "Goron hero" may have become the Sage of Fire, replacing Volvagia as the temple's guardian and object of worship.

This hero worship is also shown in BotW, with an entire Mount Rushmore-type monument to Daruk, plus several other past heroes.

ST Mountain Goddess

In ST, the Gorons do have a deity. The Mountain Goddess. We never see this figure, the Gorons so have a shrine dedicated to her.

It's always been my headcanon that the Gorons in ST are from old Hyrule, but moved to New Hyrule after the flood, as the small islands weren't suitable for them.

One possibility is that this "Mountain Goddess" is actually Din, who the Gorons may have thought blessed them with a large volcanic paradise.

New Hyrule

Since I'm talking about New Hyrule anyway, I might as well get this over and done with.

New Hyrule worship the "Spirits of Good" (or the "Gods of Light" in Japan). The Lokomo act as their servants, who protect the land.

Other then the Goron's Mountain Goddess, there's not realy any distinct religions to talk about.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 11 days ago

[All] Religions of Hyrule Part 2: Zora and Rito

This is part 2. Part on is here: [All] Religions of Hyrule Part 1: Humans : r/truezelda

The Zora

The Sea Zora and Hylians have always been close allies. The River Zora, not so much. For know, lets mainly focus on the Sea Zora.

Of all the races in Hyrule, the Zora seem to be the ones that revere the most gods. Much like many races in Hyrule, the Zora believe in the three Golden Goddesses. The most important for them being Nayru. but they also have Lord Jabu-Jabu and are implied to worship Water Dragons.

Whereas the humans have their unseen deities, the Zora have a physical god, who protects them from the lake. That being Lord Jabu-Jabu.

The origins of Lord Jabu-Jabu are unknown, but he could be a decendents of the Skyloft Guardian Levias. If this is true, it may shed some light on how he became the patron Deity of the Zora.

Years ago, I came up with a theory that the Zora are some kind of Dragonborn equivalent. That being Tadtones, Parella, and the Water Dragon Faron are all the same species, but in different stages or castes. And they eventually evolved into the Zora. Note: whilst it's too late to reply on the linked post, you can still share your thoughts on that theory here.

If the Zora are descended from the Water Dragon, this would explain their worship of Levias' presumed decendents. Levias was leader of the three dragons, after all. On top of that, it would also explain the water dragon imagery within the Water Temple.

Speaking of water dragons, the Light Spirt Lanayru, who resides in Lake Hylia, resembles a dragon. It is also the only Light spirt that has a shrine. further showing how the Zora take deity worship very seriously.

The Zora of Termina are no different. Whilst everyone in Termina presumably worship the four giants, the Zora also have the Giant Turtle. This Turtle in similar to the Giants in which it, like them, watches over it's area in it's sleep, and can be summoned with a song. As far as I can tell, the Giant Turtle is the only god we see that isn't one of the Four Giants.

The Rito

In WW, the Rito are evolved from the Zora. Much like their aquatic ancestors, their culture also revolves around a physical god: the Sky Spirit Valoo. The also have shrines dedicated to the wind gods: Zephos and Cyclos.

These Rito are extremely co-dependent on their god. They must obtain a scale from the dragon, or they wont be able to grow wings.

The Rito also appear in BotW, although they seem to be a separate species to the WW Rito, and are most probebly not descended from Zora. There's not much to say about them, as they don't realy show any significant culture.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 12 days ago

[All] Religions of Hyrule Part 1: Humans

This is a post about the religions of Hyrule. This is going to be multiple parts. I don't know how many yet.

The Three Goddesses

Bit of an introduction.

The three most important deities of Hyrule are the Three Golden Goddess. Din, Nayru and Farore.

These three are the creators of the Zelda universe. And, along with the Triforce, appear to be worshiped by every race in some shape or form. Although, different races may place different levels of enthesis on a certain Goddess.

Hylia, Hylians and the Shiekah

Other then the Golden Goddesses, the main deity of the Hylians is the unseen goddess, Hylia, in which the Hylians get their name.

In addition to the statues and springs, Hylia is also worshiped through her decendents, the Hyrulian Royal Family. The most famous members being the various Princess Zeldas, all named after the mortal reincarnation of Hylia. (I'm NOT saying "All Zeldas are Hylia". I'm only saying they are named after her). This was already a tradition as confirmed by King Rhoam. Although a Prince in AoL briefly made it "law".

The Shiekah are a subset of Hylians, who guard the Royal Family. This tradition presumably coming from SS Impa being Hylia's servant.

Trees and Leviathans

Although the Deku Tree is known for being the guardian of the Kokiri/Koroks (who I'll get to in another part), he is an important figure in Hylian culture, something made more clear in later games. In BotW he guards the Master Sword, and in EoW he guards the Triforce.

I previously made a post on how the Forest Temple of OoT may have been built by humans to worship the spirits of the forest. Specifically, the Deku Tree.

The Maku Trees I may discuss in the future.

We also have Levias, the Guardian of Skyloft. A figure revered by the Hylians (at the time, simply called "humans") who would be offered against bowl of Pumpkin Soup.

Leviathans would loose relevance amongst Hylians in the future. Ignoring the Wind Fish, who's significance to Hyrule, if any, is unknown and the Ocean King, who is the god of is own world, most Leviathan worship would be practiced by the Zora.

A possible exception by be Jabun in the WW. Whilst not confirmed, is assumed to have been worshiped by Hylians on Greatfish Isle. This would make sense, due to the flood making sea travel more important.

Gerudo

Unlike other humans in Hyrule, the Gerudo don't worship Hylia (maybe except briefly in the past) or the Royal Family. Instead, the main focus of their religion is "Ancestor worship".

The Goddess of Sand is often assumed to be an aspect of Din, but other theories suggest it may be a personification of the Gerudo ancestor.

The Hylians once believed the Goddess of the Sand to be "evil", but only because they were still enemies with the Gerudo at the time.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 13 days ago

[MM] Any theories/headcanons for the MM bosses?

So, we already know the four bosses are masks that where used by Majora's Mask, possessing the Skull Kids, to imprison the four Giants.

But where did the four masks come from? Are they based on actual creatures with backstories?

Majora is implied to have been a demon, and the mask was created by an ancient tribe. The tribe in question are implied to have been the original builders of the Stone Tower, and even the original inhabitants of the Ikana Kingdom.

During Granny's story about the carnival, we can see Odowla's mask in the background. Suggesting Odowla may have been a pre-existing figure.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 16 days ago

[OOT] The Forest Temple and Forest Spirits

In OoT there are six temples for the six sages (unfortunately, we only get to explore five). Whilst four of them (light, fire, water and spirit) are unambiguously places of worship. The Shadow and Forest Temples are a bit more murky.

Of course, they are both be places of religious significances. But not specifically designated for "worship". The Shadow Temple seems to serve to keep wickedness locked up. Apparently by executing evil people within the Temple, so their evil spirits stay imprisoned. In contrast, the souls of the good usually move on to a better place, only lingering if they have unfinished business, like protecting personal treasure, as seen with Dampe and the Composer Brothers.

But what about the Forest Temple?

As many people have already worked out, the Forest Temple was not designed by the Kokiri, despite them being main inhabitants of the forest. The Temple doesn't even seem important to the Kokiri. Saria's the only one who visits the sacred forest grove, which she calls her "secret place".

Who these people were? We can't say for certain, but they appear to have been human.

What's interesting is that, when we meet Saria in the grove, she tells us she's going to teach us how to talk to the spirits in the forest. She then teaches us "Saria's song" which allows us to talk to her instead. This makes sense, as the Kokiri are spirits, although it still seems weird she would use this wording instead of just saying "I'll teach you a song that will let you talk to me". It's possible Saria was merely being facetious, although it could also be foreshadowing that her and Link are different species. That Link is not a spirit of the forest.

Saria would later talk about "Forest Spirits" in a different context, but I'll get to that later.

Given the context that the Deku Tree and the Kokiri are spirits, it's possible that Temple was built to honour them.

Although the Deku Tree is often seen as strictly being the guardian of the Kokiri/Koroks, he also appears to be an important figure for the Hylians. Often being tasked with guarding important artefacts, like the Master Sword (BotW) or even the Triforce (EoW).

I've already made a theory about the Koroks. But the basics are, the Deku Tree is a full grown Korok (as implied by TotK itself). Also, the Deku Tree did NOT change the koroks into Kokiri, but rather, produced the Kokiri as they appear in the game, in preparation for Link's arrival.

Spirits of the Lost Woods and Forest Temple

As I said before, Saria mentions "Forest Spirits" in a different context. This being, when she enters the Forest Temple due to said spirits calling out for help.

It's likely these "Forest Spirits" are actually the Poe Sisters, who were cursed by Ganondorf.

We also see other undead both in the Temple and Lost Woods as a whole. The Stalfos and the Skull Kids, who are lost non-fairy folk. Respectively adults and children who got lost in the woods and perished. Skull Kids, in particular, can be talked to by playing the Ocarina

In a bizarre twist. The original forest spirits (Koroks) become the forest people (Kokiri), meanwhile the forest people (humans) become the forest spirits (undead).

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 17 days ago

Legendary Pokemon succession theory.

The topic of how many of each Legendary/Mythical there are is a controversial one.

Some are one of a kind, like Arceus and the Creation Trio, whereas others are clearly multiple, like the Eon Duo.

But then you have examples like the Super Ancient Pokemon and the Tower Duo. Some people insist there's only one of each, whereas others think of them as multiple.

My theory? it's somewhere in the middle. There is more then one of some Legendary Pokemon, but only one can be the kami of there respective element.

Think of it as like a royal family. There can only be one ruling King/Queen, but there are multiple princes and princesses, each waiting in line to be the next ruler.

For example, there can be more then one Groudon and Kyogre, but only one of each can be the respective personification of land and sea.

Steven implies the events of Mega Evolution Specials are canonical in the games.

>“Hm… You know, seeing that white beauty there that you travel with… I’m reminded of the Legendary Pokémon Rayquaza, said to descend at the Sky Pillar. I once had a chance to see it face to face. Although, it was a long time ago now… The young man who battled against Rayquaza beside me… I wonder whatever happened to him and that black Charizard of his… Well, regardless — you must go to the Sky Pillar and see what waits for you there. I don’t know what you’ll find. Be careful.”

These have Groudon and Kyogre in them, even though the ones in Hoenn are sealed in the Cave of Origin since millennia up until ORAS. Meaning they are different specimen, likely attracted by the natural energy of the Giant Rock form elsewhere.

It's possible that after the original Groudon and Kyogre where sealed, a new pair came to take on the mantel of gods of the land and sea.

The Anime shows a baby Lugia. This is the only time we see two Lugia together. If you're willing to give the Anime the benefit of the doubt on this, then this is a good possible example of a legendary heir.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 26 days ago
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[Games/Anime/Manga/ect]The lesser known Pokemon gods: A list of special non-legendary Pokemon.

This post comes from a conversation I had with my sister regarding Pokémon like the Crystal Onix and the Pokémoplis Pokémon.

We concluded that whilst there are many different Legendary Pokémon, there are some unique versions of regular Pokémon that might as well be Legendary do to how special they are.

So, I decided to do some research on Bulbapedia and make a list of them all.

I looked at several pages: Variant Pokémon and all the subcategories, as well as talking Pokémon to make my list.

Rules

I also decided to set a few rules for myself:

  1. Pokémon that are simply an odd colour (like the pink Butterfree) don't count, unless there is a lore reason for it, or it has other unique qualities.
  2. Giant Pokémon, whilst rare, aren't as unusually rare as we think. So, I'm only counting them if they are other noteworthy features.
  3. Pokémon should have some lore to them, but it's not necessarily required.

Here is the list of special Pokémon. Some of them have description to explain why they are listed.

Games

  • AZ's Floette.
  • Spikey-eared Pichu: It's a friend of Celebi.
  • Cosplay Pikachu: It can learn unusual moves and has a unique tail pattern.
  • Pikachu in a cap: Sounds ridiculous, but it's the only Pikachu that can use the Z-Move 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt.
  • Totem Pokémon.
  • Hisui ride Pokemon.
  • Nobal Pokemon.
  • Talking ghost Marowak.
  • Bloodmoon Ursaluna
  • Titan Pokemon
  • Pokopia Ditto
  • Professor Tangrowth
  • Smearguru
  • Peakychu
  • Mosslax
  • DJ Rotom
  • Chef Dente
  • Tinkmaster

Anime/manga (giant Pokémon)

Remember rule 2. Just being big doesn't count.

  • Giant Pokemoplis Pokémon. Gengar, Alakazam and Jigglypuff (and presumably others)
  • Giant Dragonite: Freakishly large. The episode treats it as special
  • Giant Tentacruel: It was grown large artificially, but I still count it, since artificial legendary Pokémon (like Mewtwo) do exist.
  • Nero the giant Whiscash: It has lore to it, plus it infamously ate a Master Ball, which in itself is impressive.
  • Giant Claydol.
  • Greedy Rapooh the giant Gengar: Has lore to it.
  • Black Fog (Giant Haunter): From Manga. Is an ancient Pokémon.
  • Gohs giant Golurk. Was the guardian of a temple.
  • Giant Slowpoke: (manga) Giovanni thought he could take over the world with it.

Anime/Manga (others)

  • Crystal Onix.
  • Shiny Shuckle: May seem like just a shiny, but it has special juice, so I'm counting it.
  • Snowmen Snorlax.
  • Carbink servants: Merrick, Bort, Allotrope, and Dace.
  • Team Rockets talking Meowth: My sister suggested him, because being able to talk and act like a human makes him special. Plus, he can use a lot of machines and imitate other Pokémon.
  • Talking Gastly: aka, the Ghost of Maiden's Peak.
  • Talking Slowking: Guardian of Shamouti Shrine.
  • Black Tyranitar: From Manga.
  • Mewtwo's clones.
  • Santa's talking Lapras.
  • Any Pokémon owned by Santa, who is pretty much a legend himself.
  • Meta Groudon.
  • Ash Greninja.
  • The Six Heroes.
  • Ash's Pikachu: He is noted to be very powerful, to the point where Team Rocket are fixated on catching him, and helped Ash save the world many times. (Plus, he can make some realy great impressions, by morphing his face)

If there's anyone I've forgotten, or if you have questions about my choices, please let me know.

u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 29 days ago

Could the Goddesses of Love and Peace be real figures?

Pokemon Black and White introduced two characters. Anthea (Japanese: 愛あいの女神めがみ Goddess of Love, バーベナ Verbena) and Concordia (Japanese: 平和へいわの女神めがみ Goddess of Peace, ヘレナ Helena)

Of course, these two aren't realy goddesses, they're just two girls Ghetsis adopted, as part of his plan to groom N into becoming the "King" of Team Plasma.

But, that got me thinking. Could there be an actual Goddess of Love and Goddess of Peace? And, if there is, all gods we've seen so far are Pokemon. Would these two theoretical goddesses also be Pokemon?

Sure, it's possible Ghetsis made these goddesses up, but we do see several Legendary and Mythical Pokemon who personify abstract concepts, like truth, ideals, victory, gratitude, song/dance. It would seem strange not to at least have love.

Goddess of Love

For the Goddess of Love, I've found a great candidate. Enamorus the "love-hate Pokemon". It's pokedex entries say it's love gives rise to the budding of fresh life.

It also says it punishes those that disrespect life. Given how Ghetsis wanted to raise N to think most, if not all, humans mistreat pokemon, it makes sense to model one of his "goddesses" after a figure that shows zero tolerance to those who disrespect life.

>When it flies to this land from across the sea, the bitter winter comes to an end. According to legend, this Pokémon's love gives rise to the budding of fresh life across Hisui.

>A different guise from its feminine humanoid form. From the clouds, it descends upon those who treat any form of life with disrespect and metes out wrathful, ruthless punishment.

Whilst Enamorus doesn't appear in B/W, Ghetsis could have still heard of it, due to the rest of the Forces of Nature being present.

Goddess of Peace

This one is a bit trickier, but I found a possible candidate.

I think it's Celebi. B/W pokedex makes a point that it only shows itself during peaceful times.

>It has the power to travel across time, but it is said to appear only in peaceful times.

But that's all I could think of. If anyone has more evidence for Celebi being the "Goddess of Peace", or has an alternate candidate, feel free to share.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 1 month ago

[TP][ST] The origin of Bulblins

In the Zelda series, there are many monsters. One of the most common are the Blins. They appear in almost every game, except FSA.

There are many types of Blin, but one stands out to me: The Bulblin. Not only do they only appear in two games (TP and ST), they they also behave very differently from other Blins, having their own king and even switching sides when King Bulblin is defeated by Link.

Before we start talking about the Blublins, we should talk quickly about their cousins, Moblins and Bokoblins.

Moblins and Bokoblins

As I said before, these two Blins appear in almost every Zelda game. Although, Moblins seem to appear more then Bokoblins. Considering games without Bokoblins have weaker Moblins, this could be just representation by the "legend teller". In reality, both Moblins and Bokoblins are the same species, just different ranks.

The whole "legend teller" idea could also explain why blins look different in each game. They're not evolving from pig -> bulldog -> pig, it's just how they look in the games.

We first see Blins in SS has remnants of Demise's army, as lesser members of the "Demon Tribe". Whilst their exact origin is unknown, the simplest is to assume they are just a tribe of creatures created by Demise.

After Demises defeat, they went away, only to appear when summoned by new demons.

Interestingly, OoT only has a few Moblins, all concentrated on a single area, and with very low health. Out-of-universe, this is likely because OoT was Nintendo's first 3D Zelda game. In-universe, it most likely Ganondorf was still new to the whole "evil sorcerer" thing, and hadn't made contact with the Demon Tribe yet. So, he transformed a bunch of Hylian soldiers in Moblins.

The Blins from ALttP are also implied to be transformed humans, by the games backstory. Although, after that, Ganon gained contact with the demon tribe, as can now summon them when he likes. He also does this in the Adult Timeline, as is influence becomes so great, the gods resorted to flooding the land.

In FSA, no Blins appear, further supporting my idea that Ganon could summon them because he was still inexperienced. As for the Bokoblins in TP? Well, I'll explain that later.

Origin of Bulblins

So, back to Bulblins. The monsters that only appear in TP and ST. Where did they come from?

Long story short: They are descended from the Gerudo. Possibly transformed as punishment for their alliance with Ganondorf.

In the Child Timeline, Ganondorf is arrested and sentenced to execution. This is before the Hylians formed any alliance with the Gerudo. Of course, not all the Gerudo were changed, as some, like Nabooru, wouldn't have sided with him. But even those that didn't take his side would still be shunned by the rest of Hyrule, which would force them deeper into the desert. That is until the heat died down, and they returned by FSA.

Now, the ending to OoT shows some Gerudo celebrating with everyone else, suggesting a peace treaty. But, this may not have lasted long, with Ganondorf's unexpected return. Of course, these Bulblins didn't stay in the great sea, but moved to New Hyrule, probebly out of regret.

Now, I know some of you are going to say "But the Bulblins can't be Gerudo. The Gerudo are all female, expect for one male!" To that I say: How do we know the Bulblins aren't the same.....? Most of the Blins we see are either bare-chested, And this includes the Bulblin King. The Bulblins (minus the king) have their top halves covered. What are they trying to hide? King Bulblin is unambiguously male, but we know one male Gerudo exist, who becomes their king by law.

Now, the real question is, how do Bulblins reproduce if there's only one male? I mean, being turned into demons presumably makes them incompatible with human males. Maybe this is where TP's Bokoblins come in. In order to keep their bloodline going, the Bulblins summoned some Bokoblins to mate with. Of course, them being Bokoblins, they couldn't live in the desert and had to make their homes in the woods. The ones in ST probebly just mate with miniblins.

Miniblins

I don't have a single theory for he miniblins. My three guesses are.

  1. They could have eaither been transformed pirates.
  2. An off-shoot of Blins, that only exist in the AT.
  3. Malladus's own Blins, that left New Hyrule to serve a new master, after their old one was imprisoned.
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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 1 month ago

[OoA][OoS] Farore, the Oracle of Secrets. Body, Mind and Spirit.

Several days ago, I made a theory about the Essence of Time.

In it, I briefly mentioned I was going to talk about Farore, Oracle of Secrets.

Now, I'm not here to talk about what her original role was meant to be, or what it would be like if they made the third Oracle game.

I'm going to be talking about the in-universe, purpose of the character, and how she relates to the other two Oracles, in the finalised Zelda, given by the games we got.

But, just to get it out of the way....

The original idea

So, as you know, there were originally going to be three Oracle games. Din's role was largely unchanged, but the original idea was to have Farore as the Oracle of Ages, and Nayru as the Oracle of Colours.

Farore was demoted, Nayru was given "Ages", and the Colour element was dropped.

Ages was also going to be about the day-and-night cycle, rather then past and present. You can still see references to this with Veran useing Nayru's powers to create an eternal day. Meaning that, whilst Link never get's to use this in OoA, day and night is still within Nayru's powerset.

One thing I never understood is why they chose to give Nayru Farore's power. Wouldn't it be easier just to demote Nayru, and make OoA about Farore? My guess is that, maybe they thought time was better suited for Nayru. Another reason could be that Din and Nayru are opposites, whilst Farore is the middle ground. This leads to my first point for my theory.

Body, Mind and Spirit

In a post made by u/Mido128, they make a point of how OoS represents the body, and how OoA represents both the mind and spirit.

I don't think it's completely right. I think it's more simple OoS is body, OoA is mind, and both as associated woth spirit. I mean "spirit" is defined as life energy.

Sure, it seems like OoA makes reference to spirit more then OoS. But does it realy?

Mido128 claims that Veran attacks "the mind and spirit", but she only realy attacks the mind, via possession and manipulation. If she does attack the spirit, it no more then how Onox does.

Some may say "Well, what about the Eternal Spirit? Doesn't that prove OoA is about the spirit?". Well, sort off.

This Essence (Principal, in Japan) is specifically referencing the disembodied spirt of a deceased person. That is, a being who is still conscience, possessing a mind and spirit, but lacking a physical body.

In contrast, the Essences of Nature (Principals of Earth, in Japan) talk about plants. Plants are, in a way, the opposite of ghosts. The possess physical bodies and spirits, but lack minds.

Here we see a clear Juxtaposition between the Principals of Earth and Time-space. The PoTS reference the mind and spirit, but not the body, and the PoE reference the body and spirit, but not the mind.

As I said before: spirit is life-force, something that plants need to live.

Farore the Spirit

So, Nayru is mind, Din is body. That means Farore must be spirit.

Both Din and Nayru are similar. The both control a fundament part of the world. To make sure everything goes as planned, the both have an assigned guardian Maku Tree, and have an object that allows others (example Link) to use their powers, if anything happens to them.

Farore doesn't have her own Maku Tree. But, does make her base, the Hall of Secrets, inside both the other Oracles Maku Trees. How she does this is unclear, but its possible she can travel between both trees at will. Of course, whether she actually lives in the HoS or merely works there is even less clear.

As for an item. Farore possess a book called "Farore's Memory". Now, some of you may read "memory" and feel this scream "MIND", contradicting my statement that Farore is the spirit. But, I'm going to say no.

Whilst it's easy to see Farore's Memory as the Oracles answer to the Rod of Seasons and Harp of Ages. This is far from the case.

As I explained, both the Rod and Harp exist purely as a "plan B" for the Oracles, should something happen to them. The Oracles themselves never use them to control their own powers. Din never wields the Rod, and said rod is kept locked away in the Temple of Seasons. Meanwhile, whilst she does keep the Harp in her house, and is shown playing it in official artwork, Nayru never uses the Harp for time manipulation. In fact, the only time Nayru uses the Harp is to teach Link how to use it. Farore's Memory isn't realy a "Plan B". It only exists to allow Link to remember the secrets he's been given.

As I said before, ghosts and plants are like opposites. A ghost has a spirit and mind, but no body. Plants have bodies and spirits, but no minds. Whilst irrelevant, for the sake of completion, I'll say that intelligent robots and constructs have a mind and body, but no spirit.

Of course, a non-living object is a body with no mind or spirit, and a spirit with no body or mind is pure life-energy. Then what's a mind without a body or spirit? Simple. It's an idea, or concept, or memory.

That's what Farore does. She takes secrets and turns them into items. In other words, she turns minds into bodies.

It's worth noting that both Nayru's and Din's civilian jobs reflect the concepts they embody. Din is a dancer, she is full of energy and moves her body. Nayru is a singer. Songs are sounds and words, which come from the mind. Originally, the third Oracle would have been a painter, that is, someone who turns ideas into physical objects.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 1 month ago

Are there any theories as to were Pecharunt came from?

All we know about Pecharunt is that it was found by some old couple and raised as a child.

But.... where did it come from? How was he born? It's way too powerful to just be a regular member of a species. It literally created three Legendary Pokemon by mutating regular ones. so, unless it's also a mutant, I don't think there are thousands of it in the Pokemon world.

I've read a theory that he might be an Ultra Beast, but unfortunately, it's not very popular.

The character he's based on, Momotarō, was said to be placed inside the peach by the Gods. I can't find anything to suggest Pecharunt was sent by Arceus.

So, what's your theory? How did Pecharunt come into exisstence?

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 1 month ago

[OoA] Essence of Time. And Veran, the demon of grief.

I was reading a post by u/Mido128. all about the Essence's in the Oracle games. It's a great post, you should read it if you haven't already.

The Importance of the Essences in the Oracle Games : r/truezelda

In it, they reveal the original Japanese names for the Essences are the "Principals of Earth" and the "Principals of Time-space".

NOTE: They actually use the word "Reasons", but I'm saying "Principals" because I think it has a nicer ring to it.

The one they go into detail with are the Principals of Earth, explaining that the first seven objects represent each stage of a plant growing. Starting with the seed, then what it needs to grow, and the ultimate result. The finale being the master Principal, which represents the seasons as a whole.

One thing they gloss over are the Principals of Time-Space. The only one they mention in detail is the Falling Star, which the OP suggests represents the Triforce.

This is understandable, as the Principals of Time-Space are more metaphysical then the PoE. But, I'd thought give it a try.

The Principals of Time space

Here is a list of each PoTS and my attempt of analysing each one.

>Spirit’s Grave (Yoll Graveyard) - Eternal Spirit - Even after life ends, it speaks across time to the heart.

This tell us that even after death, life goes on.

>Wing Dungeon (Deku Forest) - Ancient Wood - It whispers only truth to closed ears from out of the stillness.

The use of the phrase "closed ears" and the words "whispers" and "stillness" bring to mind spiritual listening. Closing off all external stimuli in order to here the quite voices of nature.

It's worth noting that the Zelda series often associates trees and forests with hidden secrets. The Koroks are invisible to most adults, and the Deku Tree lives secluded in the forest. In the case of OoX, the Oracle of Secrets, Farore, makes her base inside both Maku Trees. The Maku Tree's themselves know where most of the PoX are.

NOTE: I might do a Farore post in the future.

>Moonlit Grotto (Crescent Island) - Echoing Howl - It echoes far across the plains to speak to insolent hearts.

This one specifies insolent hearts. The fact that it "echoes across the plains" suggests distance. Of course, the distance is not necessarily physical. But simply, the person has distanced themselves from others, via rude behaviour.

Link as had to deal with a lot of jerks in the games. Mido, Groose, Ruto, Tetra, Midna... the list goes on. All of which do soften up to Link, eventually.

Whilst this is more then likely just a coincidence, out-of-universe. The Echoing Howl calls to mind a wolf, an animal Link turns into in TP. Of course, it's also found in the Moonlit Grotto, another wolf connection, and by ALttP, Link has started being associated with the moon.

>Skull Dungeon (Symmetry Village) - Burning Flame - It reignites wavering hearts with a hero’s burning passion.

Here it talks about internal conflict, and struggling. The burning flame reignites these hearts with "a hero’s burning passion", getting them to ultimately do the right thing.

>Crown Dungeon (Rolling Ridge) - Sacred Soil - All that lies sleeping in the bosom of the earth will know the nourishing warmth of the Sacred Soil.

Mido128 actually did talk about this one, when they compare it to the Fertile Soil of the Principals of Earth. How the PoE are physical and literal, whereas the PoTS are metaphorical. In this case, both are named "X Soil" and resemble shoots growing out of the ground. But, whilst the Fertile Soil is literally talking about soil growing plants, the Sacred Soil uses the visuals of shoots and soil purely as a metaphor.

This one talks about spiritual growth that all living things go through. Note it says "All that lies sleeping in the bosom of the earth", literally meaning "Every living thing on earth".

>Mermaid’s Cave (Rolling Ridge) - Bereft/Lonely Peak - It is a proud, lonely spirit that remains stalwart, even in trying times.

This ones interesting. Rather then talking to people, this principal talks about itself. It describes itself as "a proud, lonely spirit". And how it "remains stalwart, even in trying times." Rather then communicate it's lesson directly, it sets an example.

This lesson is: Even if things are stressful and difficult, you should always remain diligent, and never give up. Just like the lonely peak.

Of course, this actually ties in well with Queen Ambi. She is longing for her missing lover, and remains faithful to him, no matter how long he's gone for.

rather fittingly, the moment Link retrieves this item, Queen Ambi has left the palace, giving Link a chance to save Nayru, and stop Veran's plan. Whilst he succeeds in freeing Nayru, it fails when Veran possesses Ambi. But the point stands. Manipulating Ambi isn't going to work anymore. Hence why she has to resort to full possession.

>Jabu-Jabu’s Belly (Zora Village) - Rolling Sea - The mystical song of the sea roars into a crashing wave that sweeps heroes out into adventure.

This one talks about heroes being swept into adventure, much like Link. Most games have Link just laying around, enjoying life, until something unexpected happens, and he's called into action.

What's interesting is that this also foreshadows Link's Awakening (If you ignore the timeline retcon). The OoX were clearly envisioned as prequals to LA.

Whilst the Principals of Time-space are metaphorical, the references to songs and seas sweeping hero's into adventure may remind one of Link's adventure with the Wind Fish. And, fittingly, it's found inside the belly of a leviathan.

>Ancient Tomb (Sea of No Return) - Falling Star - The eternal light of this heavenly body acts as a guide to the other essences.

Mido128 already went over this in detail. They do a much better job in explaining it then I do. I don't wish to fill this page with stuff that's already been said.

Veran, the demon of Grief

As you know, there are two demons in OoX, Onox and Veran. Each are essential to Twinrova's plan to ignite the flames of Ruin and Grief, which will resurrect Ganon. (there's also the "Flame of Despair", but that's not important)

One thing I noticed is how each Demon represents everything their opposing Oracles and Principals oppose.

Just as Din is the Oracle of Seasons, and the Principals of Earth represent the natural growth cycle, Onox personifies natural disasters. He arrives in a lightning storm and attacks Din's troupe and Link in the form of a tornado. He also appear to possess some geokinesis, being able to sink the Temple of seasons, and just earth quakes in his battle with Link.

Fittingly, Onox resembles a large brutish warrior with a flail, and his true for is that of an imposing destructive dragon.

Veran could just as well personify negative emotions, like grief and worry. She takes the form as a seductive woman, and can also take the form of insects. She is a parasite, both literally and figuratively.

Queen Ambi is longing for her missing lover, a Captain who sent out to sea, promising to return, but never did. The queen instructs builders to build a tower, that would let her see how the Captain is doing. Veran, possessing Nayru, takes advantage of the Queen's worry by seducing her into giving her permission to create and eternal day, to allow the workers to keep building the tower without rest, until it reaches the heavens.

Veran is the opposite of the Principals of Time Space. Whereas the Ancient Wood whispers truth, Veran tells lies. The Echoing howl confronts rudeness, Veran encourages selfishness. The Burning Flame steers you to do the right thing, Veran leads you astray. The Lonely Peak teaches you to remain patient, no matter how difficult it is, Veran convinces you to cut corners at the expense of others.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago

[WW] Which god caused the flood?

It was the three Golden Goddesses!

Okay. Discussion over. End of post. It was short but sweet. Goodbye.

No.

Many people assume it was the three golden Goddesses, but this actually goes against what we know about them. That is, that they don't actively intervene with mortal affairs. Instead, it's the Triforce and lesser gods that act on their behalf.

Whilst there is a possibility the golden Goddesses gave the order to flood Hyrule, it was probebly a specific god or group of gods that carried out the task.

Faron from SS sound like the most likely candidate, as she once did something similar in that game. Plus, it would definitely go with her personality.

Of course, we don't know if the three dragons in SS are still around at this time. It's often assumed that the spirits of Light from TP took their place as protectors of Hyrule's regions.

Another possibility is that it might be Jabun, who is the spirit of the sea. This would make him the opposite of the Deku Tree, who wants to form new continents. And it would make the three pearl spirits similar to the Super Ancient Pokemon. DT would be like Groundon, Jabun would be Kyogre and Valloo would be Rayquaza.

Or, maybe it could be Valoo, who is the spirit of the Sky. Maybe he caused the rain, and Jabun's job is to make sure the Great Sea goes well.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago
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[Homebrew] Amulet of the Elephant and Amulet of the Donkey

Just a couple of homebrew items I made up.

This first section is why I made them. If you're not interested, you can just scroll down to "Amulet of the Elephant" sub-title.

This started as a private inside-joke for making a reference to Republicans and Democrats in a Dnd setting.

The idea was there would be two rivalling settlements. One would be made up of Loxodons, with not much change. The second would be a settlement of small variant Humans, with "resilient" as a pre-set Feat and each human would be paired up with a donkey/mule sidekick.

As you can imagine, this caused some balancing issues. The humans basically have a sidekick that can deal an extra attack. And what happens if the donkey is killed? Do you magically get a new one?

I tried to balance it by making these Loxodons a sub-race with new traits. As well as try to explain the donkeys. But I just ended up with two OP lineages.

I also decided only having two lineages would be boring. So, in the end, I came up with these two items.

Amulet of the Elephant

Wearing this amulet, you gain the following benefits.

  • Your strength increases by +2, and you count as one size larger when determining your carrying capacity and the weight you can push, drag, or lift.
  • When you aren't wearing armor, your AC is 12 + your Constitution modifier. You can use this feature to determine your AC if the armor you wear would leave you with a lower AC. A shield's benefits apply as normal while you use your natural armor.
  • Your speed increases by 10 ft.
  • You can deal a non-magical melee attack as a bonus action.
  • You count as an animal for the purpose of pulling vehicles, assuming your DM doesn't already allow humanoids to pull vehicles. As long as you have free will, another creature can't control where you take the vehicle.

Amulet of the Donkey

Wearing this amulet, you have the ability to summon a magical Donkey. This Donkey has the same stats as a Mule, except where stated otherwise.

  • The Donkey doesn't need food or water to survive, and can't be killed.
  • The Donkey will disappear if you die or become incapacitate, the donkey ends up more then 60ft away from you or you dismisses the Donkey as a bonus action. You can re-summon it as an action.
  • You can mount or dismount the Donkey as a bonus action, and it can be used as a mount by any creature it's size or smaller with your permission, assuming your DM doesn't already allow medium sized creatures to ride mules that haven't been enlarged.
  • The Donkey understands your language, and will obey any command you give it, to the best of it's abilities.
  • If the Donkey is ordered to attack, it can add your proficiency bonus, and appropriate modifier, if they are higher then the Donkey's.
  • When the Donkey is within 5ft of you, your AC increases by 2.
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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago

[WW] Just wondering. How was Valoo born?

I know this sounds like a realy dumb question. But where did Valoo come from? Who are his parents? The gallery lists Dragon Roost Island as his "Birthplace", so we know he was born somehow.

Hyrule Historia suggests he's descended from Volvagia. But, Volvagia was killed by Link in this timeline. Did Ganon bring them back again after he took over Hyrule?

Also, do fire dragons give birth asexually, or does Valoo have a second parent? If so, where did this second parent come from?

I know there may or may not be an official answer. But are their any theories or headcanon for this?

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago

Lily Lovebraids dream I had.

Something I wanted to share.

I had this dream where I was being chased by Lily Lovebraids. But it was on the roofs of tall building. Kind of like that level in Sonic Adventure, where Tails is racing Eggman.

We pass loads of robots, and I reach the end, where Lily is inexplicably in front of me, sitting down on a chair smiling. The Prototype is behind her, brushing her hair.

The Prototype asks me "Tell me. If Lily Lovebraid's hair can grow long. Can it be cut short?" and starts cutting her hair. He then explains that he "grooming" Lily Lovebraids to be his "new body" if his current body dies, and even shows a jester hat for her to wear, if this happens. And Lily's just smiling, like she doesn't know what's going on, or doesn't mind it.

Later on, I had a different, yet related, dream where I was part of a police force that does missions in airplanes. Lily Lovebraids had stolen the Triforce (from the Zelda series) and was in an airplane, and we had to go after her.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago

Is there any meaning behind the player's bedrooms?

A couple of months ago, I made a self-insert OC. His names Porcival

Self insert OC: Porcival : r/theamazingdigitalciru

I'm considering making a room for him. But I have some questions.

We all know the player's bodies are meant to "perfectly encapsulate their mind files". Meaning, their supposed to represent who they are. Their personalities and their experiences.

To name some examples.

  • Zooble struggles with body dysmorphia. So, they have an abstract body with interchangeable parts.
  • Ragatha is also trying to be friends with people, but had an abusive mother. Her avatar os a rag doll, something designed for comfort, but has a button eye to show she's "damaged".
  • Jax is a prankster, but is a very vulnerable person deep down. Is avatar is a cartoon rabbit. An animal depicted as comical "tricksters" in media, but, in real life are very timid animals.

Do the rooms have any significants, or are they just meant to go with the avatar?

Like, Gangle's room resembles a theatre stage. But is that just because she's a theatre mask, or does it reflect her personality?

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago

Lily Lovebraids dream I had.

Something I wanted to share.

I had this dream where I was being chased by Lily Lovebraids. But it was on the roofs of tall building. Kind of like that level in Sonic Adventure, where Tails is racing Eggman.

We pass loads of robots, and I reach the end, where Lily is inexplicably in front of me, sitting down on a chair smiling. The Prototype is behind her, brushing her hair.

The Prototype asks me "Tell me. If Lily Lovebraid's hair can grow long. Can it be cut short?" and starts cutting her hair. He then explains that he "grooming" Lily Lovebraids to be his "new body" if his current body dies, and even shows a jester hat for her to wear, if this happens. And Lily's just smiling, like she doesn't know what's going on, or doesn't mind it.

Later on, I had a different, yet related, dream where I was part of a police force that does missions in airplanes. Lily Lovebraids had stolen the Triforce (from the Zelda series) and was in an airplane, and we had to go after her.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago

[ALL] What are some theories/headcanons about the lore that you have or believe?

For the past few days I've been posted some strange theories about Zelda lore.

Most of them are pretty much "X became X" or "X is the same as X", which some of you don't like. So, now I'm gong to take a break and ask if there are any theories or headcanon about the lore you want to share?

I'll start.

Leviathans reproduce by dreaming, much like Beholders from D&D. The Wind Fish has the power to created realistic worlds by dreaming. On rare occasions, these dreams become so vivid, it produces a new real leviathan.

P.S. The Leviathan thing was going to be a whole post. But I realised there's not enough evidence to make it more then a headcanon. So, I just made it a post saying "This is my bizarre headcanon. You can ignore it if you want. But you can tell me yours" post.

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u/LapisLazuliisthebest — 2 months ago