u/Londoner1995

...why is it that my constant thought at the end of every season finale has been "feel like pure shit just want the gang to all be friends again 😭".

God this show puts you through the emotional ringer, there's been several times already in this playthrough where I've had to stop and watch something like The Thick of It or Red Dwarf to cheer myself up. I guess it shows just how much the writers made people care about the five friends.

I was wondering if anyone had background information on the shenanigans in early 2004 which saw two stalwart CART names urgently decide to leave for the IRL before the first ChampCar World Series race?

For reference, Fernandez Racing and Team Rahal attended the launch of the CCWS in Long Beach during March 2004, with Adrian Fernandez planning to run a single car for himself, and Bobby Rahal about to field Michel Jourdain Jr for a third consecutive season after his unexpected title challenge in 2003 (as much as I like Jourdain, him being a title contender shows just how thin the fields were becoming, but that's a discussion for another day). Both teams were also running a single car each in the 2004 IRL season, for Kosuke Matsuura and Buddy Rice respectively.

Yet within a week of the Long Beach launch, their CCWS teams were no more. Fernandez made his IRL debut at Phoenix and after a bit of time getting up to speed, we finally saw the return of beast mode Fernandez from his Patrick Racing stint, with three wins and fourth in the standings. One can only wonder what might have been had Adrian planned to run the full IRL season from the offset.

Meanwhile, Rahal's CCWS team eventually surfaced in the IRL around the time of the 500 as the #17 for perenial nearlyman Vitor Meira (I'm still devastated about the Kansas 2004 finish all these years on 😭)

It's quite interesting reading old ChampCar threads on TenTenths and Deep Throttle and seeing the torrent of abuse Adrian and Bobby got for their decision to leave CCWS, a lot of people saw it as a betrayal. However, I also recall reading rumours that Forsythe/Gentilozzi/Kalkhoven went out of their way to poach sponsors from Fernandez/Rahal during the chaos that was the 2004 pre-season, which is why Adrian and Bobby decided enough was enough...

I knew this episode was just around the corner, but as soon as the cold intro flashed on the screen I realised I wasn't prepared for how intense the next 45 minutes were going to be. Just wondering what the reaction was to this episode back in 2006 and how people here feel about it.

Also, is it really bad that my first thought when I saw Jimmy with the gun was "thank god I went to school in Britain and not the United States?"

Having completed the S2000 era of my BTCC rewatch, I was wondering what the consensus was on Tom Onslow-Cole. To me he appeared a decent driver who could more than hold his own with the likes of Plato/Neal/Turkington et al but hampered his career with his inability to stay with a team for more than one season at a time. The fact that between 2007 and 2013 there was not one but two instances of him quitting teams mid-season seems to suggest something wasn't right behind the scenes.

2007 - debut season in the second WSR BMW, acquits himself quite well with a win and three other podiums, the sheer strength of the top end of the field means he only ends up 10th in points, which probably undersells how good he was for a 20 year old rookie. He was definitely better than the one-man wrecking ball that was 2006 Rob Collard, and streets ahead of his successor Stephen Jelley...

2008 - Secures the third Vauxhall seat with his personal sponsors and has an excellent season keeping both Giovanardi and Neal honest, survives a huge shunt at Brands and has a mid-season purple patch at Donington and Thruxton which briefly puts him into title contention.

2009 - One of the major victims of the recession, TOC eventually resurfaces at Team AON halfway through the season and has a fruitless time trying to develop the dogshit S2000 Focus, two 9th places are his best results.

2010 - Finally gets some stability with a full year at Team AON and has the best season of his career with four wins and a title challenge that lasts into the final round of the year. There was controversy with the team using team orders to give Chilton two race wins at Silverstone, but I don't think this would've made much difference to the final standings, the LPG engines in the Focus masked the fact the chassis was still pretty poor on handling circuits, plus it felt that no-one really had an answer for Plato and RML in 2010.

2011 - Somehow despite his heroics, the only seat available is AmD's VW Golf (side note, I'm amazed Alan Gow approved this car given there had been rumours over the years he'd rejected potential Mini and Fiat Punto entries for being too small for touring cars). As popular as the Golf was, it was not the best of cars and TOC did well to drag a couple of 7ths out of it. Then, there's some sort of blowup behind the scenes at Oulton Park which saw TOC quit AmD halfway through raceday. He then returns to Team AON, this time in their half-baked Global Ford Focus, and has a smattering of results with two 3rds being the highlight.

2012 - Back to WSR in the increasingly superannuated BMW 3-Series (though at least with turbo engines this time around), TOC puts together a solid but unspectacular year, a brace of 2nds mid-season being his best results but truth be told he never looked likely to win a race. I remember Knockhill 2012 where he just passively followed his team mate Collard around for the first two races without trying to challenge for the lead.

2013 - Ends up with Tony Gilham's mob and is arguably one of the drivers of the first half of the season, dragging results and podiums out of Team HARD's NGTC VW Passat that no-one thought possible. Then there's yet another mid-season blowup behind the scenes and suddenly TOC is in a third Motorbase Ford Focus for the final three events of the year, with distinctly average results.

2014 to present - Despite there being 32 BTCC entries in 2014, TOC is not seriously considered for any of them and ends up switching to British GT for the rest of the decade. Makes a random return to Team HARD in 2020 to race his old VW Passat for Thruxton and Silverstone to very limited effect, and then disappears again, seemingly into retirement.

I ended up getting spoilered about certain aspects of Series 2, including this storyline. Given the brutal and cruel way it ends for Jake, am I a bad person for deciding to skip every scene of this story from Episode 16 onwards?

There's enough nastiness already in Series 2 and I didn't think I could handle watching it all fall apart for Jake and Jenny. I liked the way the show left things at the end of Series 1, with Nicki being tricked into driving to Seattle and Jake/Jenny moving to Savannah. It left the saga nicely open-ended with the potential of bringing it back during one of the OTH time jumps later in the show.

I have a few questions about the beginning and end of the Urban Hymns era.

While it is now known that Ashcroft reunited the band sans McCabe in early 1996 to begin the Urban Hymns sessions, with McCabe rejoining in January 1997, I am curious to know when in 1997 it was made public that The Verve were back? Was there a big media campaign fronted by the NME and Melody Maker in spring 1997 to announce the return of the band, or was it as simple as Bittersweet Symphony just randomly appearing on radio playlists one day and people going "woah, what the bloody hell was THAT", coupled with the music video being on heavy rotation?

Conversely, what was the feeling like in the fan community post Munich 1998. Was it already common knowledge in summer 1998 that the band were just fulfilling tour dates prior to splitting up again, or was there hope that things could be salvaged? I imagine the period between Munich with the band plodding on with BJ Cole on pedal steel and the April 1999 announcement that it was all over must've been fairly miserable for the community.