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Splitting this out from a comment I made because it needs to be said and put out front. I hope this will give you something to think about out versus some of the other posts I’ve been seeing (dogs wtaf guys come on!). SO What messed the west up so bad??

Money talks. Women bring in money. That’s why they have free ladies nights at bars.

Do some research and you’ll see the west uses women to feed its fat cash hungry self. It does it by quietly allowing them to do whatever.

Dating apps
Social media
Groups
Hiring policies

All for the money. You look at the paper trail of money it usually involves women. Male thirst is what spends money. Tale as old as time.

Ever been hospitalized? What was your experience? How did people treat you versus others?

I come here as a single man with few friends and you are often looked at as disposable. You get sick suddenly the woman next to you who had a breast reduction gets more help than I did after a life saving procedure.

There are some things in life that you can’t escape. As a man you are disposable. And people will continue to count on you to do that role to go to war to give everything up, let you bleed out so they can have cosmetic surgery.

It’s brutal guys. I sat there on the button watched nurses go in and out of her room and all I wanted a damn drink of water.

It’s not a man’s world there. Where you go your last minutes are not in a man’s world.

This I wrote in response to a post that was made elsewhere on girl dinner diaries she was bragging about having the best sex she ever did with some handsome dude. She framed the entire post about making him wait, testing the vibes, all this then she says “he made out and gave me these googly eyes that made me have sex”. And then the real kicker, she fucking posts it on Reddit like a serial killer talks about the locks of hair he got from her. She met the dude on tinder.

Why am I saying this?

Guys it literally doesn’t matter what some dumb you know what does. I’m saying it’s not special at all the mf did all the work she literally said it. Starfish are starfish. You want a real experience you get a pro, I’m sorry but they will never give you the same thing. It was all for her none for him. Realize that. That dude got nothing from that other than some girl who thought she won. She didn’t give anything back. She took everything from him made her own.

Decent women like actually decent women don’t take. They give. And they don’t need to talk to a bunch of femcels for free validation.

You gotta go overseas to find real feminine energy. This person ain’t it. This is your typical spoiled US college brat.

I’m very troubled some of you take this shit seriously and go down some black pilled rabbit hole thinking that’s gonna save you from the bullshit of having nothing. You haven’t lost a god damn thing by this scenario not happening to you.

I’m also disgusted by this dude going on tinder trying to pull this shit off. She used the guy totally used him. He thought he won. Some men are born suckers.

Guys, please, for the love of god, do not idolize men like this. They will say they won. They could never win.

Found this navigating social media and the message is very striking but it tells a tale of the enormous clash between traditional viewpoints and western dating, immigration, and everything else. And it highlights the absolute hypocrisy of our governing bodies, standards of dress codes, and everything else that has eroded into utter chaos.

This will be a fairly long post but I’ll go over some of my experiences, thoughts and insight and a look into my dating life. Bear with me but I’m painting a picture here so people at least know who I am and where my comments on here come from, why I say what I say.

In high school I took a shot at a really cute tall slender and smart brunette classmate I knew and funny thing asked her out to homecoming and she said yes. Very first person I ever asked out. So then I got myself all excited, went and saw the football game with her had dinner but then chickened out and never went to the dance. Obviously she distanced herself from me after that and I realized I wasn’t ready to date anyways and I figured, ok fine so I’ll just find another time when I feel ready to date and try again. Seems fairly straightforward to me, I’m a handsome enough guy etc…. This was 2005 for reference.

So I kept going studied hard and then got accepted to engineering school. Went to school did well for myself, was far too focused on getting through engineering school and it was mostly men there very few women. So you didn’t really have a lot of opportunities unless you ventured out. I was far too focused on finishing my studies and managing all of my anxiety to actually deal with dating. So it sat.

Pretty much immediately my senior year I was snapped up by an engineering company as a consultant and I literally hit the ground running. For these first 8 years it would consist of 50 hour work weeks. Meanwhile I was making good money much better than my fellow counterparts who got caught out by the 2008 recession pretty bad and were stuck at home living with their parents.

Anyways, time passed fast. I realized “shit I’m getting old here I guess if I want to give this a shot I better do so before I get too old.” At this point I was 36 never had sex and never really had any real intimate dates with all the kissing etc. So I said, why not. I’ll try the apps.

Time passed, months went by. I’d get a match here and there talk to them, ghosted or they would get way way too clingy and I’d get cold feet. Finally I started dating people who I wasn’t really that attracted to just so I could get some experience. It was pretty brutal. Here I was in high school as a fit dude who dated essentially a cheerleader on the first freaking try going out with someone who was well above 200lbs. I just couldn’t do it. So like usual I just stayed on the apps, went in did a lot of self work, did the whole gym maxxing thing, lost about 30 lbs and started looking a lot more presentable. This is like 2022 2023 ish. I started getting more matches with people who I felt better with. One person super liked me, I went out with her and she was all over me, we made out she was all cuddly with me, it was a bit much. I never really had anyone that invested ever in me and she was all starry eyed. But I still couldn’t feel attracted. She was also way overweight, didn’t take care of herself, and she had dirty underwear in her car! I was so turned off I just had to quit on that. She was really pissed. I apologized. Back again to square one.

Met another person , really cute, funny/fun. Went out for a date in the city had a great time. Tried to schedule the next date and ? “I’m sorry but there is no spark.” And so that started a couple more “no spark”, flaked out before date, etc. On and on I was at my wits end until this one chick liked my profile and she was particularly attractive. Went out had a coffee date went to see movies things seemed really great. Until I was out at a summer event and she introduced me to her friend at a shop. She said “this is my friend (my name). I was so taken back by this because she was always starry eyed always wanted to talk to me etc. Then it just started to get weird. She took me to her place showed me her weapons and her furniture blocking the door because of her “abusive ex”. Was very proud of the baseball bat and knife she had at her bedside table. Told me she doesn’t take people in her house often. I was really getting weirded out.

Anyways, over time she distanced herself from me. Found her posting pics of her ex on her Instagram again and I knew it was over. She stated saying things like “why do you text me every three days I’m busy why do you do that can’t you understand it’s too much?” And I just blew up on her told her she wasted my time and I’d never talk to her again.

Next one I met she talked to me for two months. Met up finally we kissed went to a nice place. Was going to get serious with her offered to come to my place and she said yes. But then when I touched on intimacy she said “I don’t have sex with people unless I’ve known them for six months!!” And I found out she was still seeing her boyfriend and found out she was direct messaging other guys she started talking about her bf on her Instagram around Christmas and how he was so great, they were gonna get married and all this shit. So this other dude shows up and says “hey what do you mean you told me we were going to go on a date”. And this was a month after i tried with her. I direct messaged the guy. Warned him. Next day she blocked me. He probably told her she found out the rest is history.

Final nail in the coffin. 2023. Sister tells me her friend is single looking to date people. Shows her my pic, and she goes “he’s really cute!” So I fly out to her place and she’s interested but I’m looking for serious. I think she gave me signs she wanted to hook up but they were mixed signals and I did not want to. I wanted a girlfriend. Now granted I was STILL a virgin after all this crap. And we went out on five more dates thought things were well then she ghosted me. No response to texts nothing. I flew home. Back to square one. Nobody in my life. I was done.

Planned a trip overseas, lost my V card finally. And my god she was so sweet to me. At least acted like she cared, told me things about her what she liked to do, kept it very friendly but it was fire in bed. She complemented me talked about how it seemed like I had had sex before I seemed like I knew what I was doing. It was very pleasant.

It was at that point I knew serious dating was really broken. And then I came here. And found all the people with very similar stories nearly identical notes, tropes, etc. Very enlightening.

If you read all this thank you, know that I appreciate you. But the only way people know struggle is when they see your past and when it’s littered full of terrible experiences. And all the work one puts in for nothing it’s staggering!

Doth there exist a term for a “wizard” who remains in full spirit of the term “wizard” by proxy of him not being chosen by any lass for which she should perform her sorcery by her desire alone yet this particular wizard doth not indeed be one on the count of his coin which hath been exchanged for some amazing tricks and sorcery for which this particular lass is particularly skilled in such an art but shall never perform such magic without exchange of her polite wizards coin?

I came up with a thought process recently that I’ll bet someone here could pull up some strong evidence to boot about this. Here goes:

If a woman sees a cute guy, what’s the first thing she does? Very first thing? She looks over at her friend and asks “do you think that guy is cute?” Ok, so listen statistically every time that happens your odds just split. And the more friends she has the greater the odds split again not in your favor.

What does this mean? You basically need 2/3 buy in from her “web” of friends before you’ll ever have a realistic shot at anything. That’s my 2/3 rule. And I swear to god for every woman you see who has initial interest in you *wont fucking go with her real genuine feelings* because you got fucked by the 2/3 rule.

More evidence in selection bias? It’s compounding, the more odds her friends accept someone it cascades to her friends and her friends friends so on and so forth. This is what’s causing the real issue. This is why the preferences have become so bad. Because it’s never just one woman thinking for her self. My dudes it’s never ever what she thinks. It’s what all the women think.

Walk away

PS: 2/3 is 66.6 percent. Yes three sixes. Coincidence?? I think not.

Hear me out on this… best couple: Olivia Benson and Bobby Goren. Why? Both of their parents were predators. Both are intellectuals with a deep desire for truth. Both have had trauma in their lives. And both operate very well under pressure and can take charge. Also, both really do have caring hearts based on good values..

It sounds crazy but think about it.. I’d love to see it.