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I'm building a Take and Hold Bastion army with two Hammer and Shield Terminator Bricks. One with Lysander and Ancient as battleline and one with Librarian so both can advance and charge and I was thinking maybe I should add some firepower other than two Vindicators. How you think Intercessors would work with Librarian? 40 shots + Lethal + Sustain. I think as a dangerous Saturation and more resistant battleline brick may have some chance. That and OC20z

So Purged was meta, and now all First Company detachments have it. Any chance we see more competitive play from those? And if so, how? Because Librarius seems to no longer be a good option for those Sternguards.

As the question says, how would you play it? I don't get it with the rule and strats. I just can't see a list I can build.

Hey guys, I wanna compete as much as possible with Imperial Fists. For now, what I've come up with is using Emperor's Shield, with Lysander and 10 Assault Terminators as a brick to hold the middle, plus lots of firepower and some utility.

Librarius gives a 10-man Sternguard Veterans unit some bonuses to help with shooting. So that was looking good to play Priority Assets, but with this new detachment I was thinking about ditching Librarius, arming my Vanguard Veterans instead of the Sternguard, and removing the Battleshock aspect from Priority Assets.

That would be a super helpful change, because I had a game where I ended up scoring 0 in turns where all my units were Battle-shocked by Daemons in the Warp and Be'lakor, making me take multiple Battle-shock tests.

So do you think I can compete better with the new detachment instead of Librarius?

I'm trying to get the most of the Emperor's Shield detachment. I like building my lists thinking in competitive play but keeping it thematic. 10th made it almost impossible so I played Gladius for the better part of the edition. But maybe 11th is the one. What you think?

Fist of the Imperium (1,995 Points)

Space Marines
Imperial Fists
Emperor’s Shield and Librarius Conclave (3 Detachment Points)
Force Dispositions: Priority Assets, Reconnaissance
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Darnath Lysander (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Fist of Dorn

Terminator Assault Squad (180 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Assault Terminator Sergeant
◦ 1x Storm Shield
◦ 1x Thunder hammer
• 4x Assault Terminator
◦ 4x Storm Shield
◦ 4x Thunder hammer

Attached unit 2

Tor Garadon (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Artificer grav-gun
• 1x Hand of Defiance

Eradicator Squad (90 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Eradicator Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Melta rifle
• 2x Eradicator
◦ 2x Bolt pistol
◦ 2x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Melta rifle
◦ 1x Multi-melta

Attached unit 3

Librarian (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite
• Enhancements: Fusillade

Sternguard Veteran Squad (100 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Power fist
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt rifle
• 4x Sternguard Veteran
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 3x Sternguard bolt rifle
◦ 1x Sternguard heavy bolter

Attached unit 4

Librarian (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite
• Enhancements: Temporal Corridor

Sternguard Veteran Squad (100 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Power fist
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 1x Sternguard bolt rifle
• 4x Sternguard Veteran
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Sternguard bolt pistol
◦ 3x Sternguard bolt rifle
◦ 1x Sternguard heavy bolter

Attached unit 5

Librarian in Terminator Armour (110 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Force weapon
• 1x Smite
• Enhancements: Celerity

Terminator Assault Squad (180 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard ()
• 1x Assault Terminator Sergeant
◦ 1x Storm Shield
◦ 1x Thunder hammer
• 4x Assault Terminator
◦ 4x Storm Shield
◦ 4x Thunder hammer

OTHER DATASHEETS

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured feet
• 1x Ballistus lascannon
• 1x Ballistus missile launcher
• 1x Twin storm bolter

Invader ATV (60 Points)
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Twin bolt rifle

Repulsor Executioner (240 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Heavy laser destroyer
• 1x Heavy onslaught gatling cannon
• 1x Icarus rocket pod
• 1x Ironhail heavy stubber
• 1x Repulsor Executioner defensive array
• 1x Twin Icarus ironhail heavy stubber
• 1x Twin heavy bolter

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 2x Combat knife
◦ 1x Missile launcher
◦ 1x Scout sniper rifle

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (100 Points)
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Vanguard Veteran weapon
• 4x Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Vanguard Veteran weapon

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (100 Points)
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Vanguard Veteran weapon
• 4x Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Vanguard Veteran weapon

Vindicator (185 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Demolisher cannon

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I’m playing my first GT with Space Marines. I’ve been in the hobby for a year and I’m doing okay — not perfect, but I can hold my own. But when I play against more experienced players, I get obliterated, especially against Knights and now Defilers.

How do I deal with two super-buffed Defilers with full rerolls and Mark of Nurgle, so I can’t shoot them effectively? And also, how would you fight Knights that go super heavy on the attack — charging round 2 with everything and targeting my most valuable units?

I'm playing this with what I have available.

Gladius Task Force

Assault Intercessors With Jump Packs (90 points)

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 points)

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 points)

Captain In Gravis Armour (90 points)

Intercessor Squad (80 points)

Invader Atv (60 points)

Lieutenant With Combi-weapon (85 points)

Repulsor Executioner (230 points)

Repulsor Executioner (230 points)

Roboute Guilliman (340 points)

Scout Squad (70 points)

Uriel Ventris (95 points)

Victrix Honour Guard (220 points)

Wardens of Ultramar (105 points)

I've been talking with fellow fans and discussing a lot about what's happening with Muse lately. It's okay for many fans not to like how Muse sounds now. It has changed a lot. Personally I do like current Muse, well I did on Will of The People. And again with Unraveling but the other two didn't connect with me much. I think Hexagons is the Muse sound I missed. Cryogen could have been but lyrics throw me off a little and Be With You it's not personally my style. That said even tho I believe Muse change a lot since 2nd Law (I love 2nd Law btw) I still love the band and I'm glad they're still making music for me to enjoy.

Title says it all. I was looking into the core rules but there's no restriction. Some players say it's an instance and as an instance it takes the place of "just after the enemy has selected its targets" but Core Rules don't mention stratagems or abilities as instances.