The Myth of the "Secret Romance": Why Elon Musk’s Descendants with Shivon, Grimes, and ASC Are Pure Contractual Bioengineering (IVF & Surrogacy)

The Myth of the "Secret Romance": Why Elon Musk’s Descendants with Shivon, Grimes, and ASC Are Pure Contractual Bioengineering (IVF & Surrogacy)

Today, in response to a tweet, Musk stated that his son Seldon is 3 years old. This confirms that the child was born between late 2022 and mid-2023, not more recently, as the public narrative suggested following Shivon Zilis’s tweets in February 2025.

Musk’s personal life is often painted as a Victorian romantic drama or a tangled web of secret relationships. The reality is quite different: analyzing the timeline of events, flight logistics, court records, and the pattern of births between 2021 and 2024 points directly to transactional assisted reproduction agreements (contractual IVF and gestational surrogacy). The only direct biological exception during this entire period was his first child with Grimes (X Æ A-12, May 2020); from that point onward, the dynamic shifted entirely toward biotechnological planning.

The Delayed Announcement of Seldon

On February 28, 2025, Shivon Zilis wished Arcadia a happy first birthday (born February 28, 2024). In that same thread, she introduced Seldon Lycurgus, framing it essentially as if the child had just been born.

If Seldon was actually born in 2023, keeping his existence completely hidden until 2025 only to introduce him alongside the birthday of a younger sibling (whose existence was already public) is highly anomalous for a traditional household. In corporate and estate contracts, public disclosure typically follows non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) and PR schedules rather than family milestones.

The Timeline Collapse (2021–2024)

The "dating" or "cohabitation" or "romance" hypothesis falls apart under chronological overlaps. Embryos are implanted according to clinical schedules and legal contracts:

1. First Massive Overlap (Spring – Autumn 2021)

  • Shivon Zilis (Strider & Azure): Active gestation from February/March 2021; born November 2021.
  • Grimes (Exa Dark Sideræl / "Y"): Active gestation from March/April 2021; born December 2021.
  • The Overlap: Both processes ran concurrently throughout 2021, culminating in births separated by just a few weeks.

2. Second Massive Overlap (Summer 2022 – Summer 2023)

  • Grimes (Techno Mechanicus / "Tau"): Born June 2022.
  • Shivon Zilis (Seldon Lycurgus): Estimated birth between May and August 2023 (implantation between August and November 2022).
  • Shivon Zilis (Arcadia): Born February 28, 2024 (implantation between May and June 2023).
  • The Overlap: The IVF/implantation for Seldon began right after Tau was born. Seldon’s gestation and Arcadia’s implantation crossed directly in the first half of 2023.

3. Third Massive Overlap (Autumn 2023 – September 2024)

  • Shivon Zilis (Arcadia): Active gestation from May/June 2023 to February 2024.
  • Ashley St. Clair (Romulus): Born September 2024 (implantation between 15-17January 2024).
  • The Overlap: The initial gestation phase of Romulus overlapped directly with the final trimester of Arcadia. On top of this, communication on X between Zilis and ASC was notably active during this period.

Evidence of Contractual Co-Parenting

  • Motherhood by Schedule, Not Cohabitation: Flight logs show Musk spends only hours or a few days in the same cities as these women. Court-documented custody visits last 1 to 2 hours under legal or corporate supervision.
  • Corporate Management of Agreements: Jared Birchall (managing director of Musk's family office) handles real estate, legal notices, and financial settlements. ASC's attorney confirmed financial terms for Romulus were being negotiated via contract. Furthermore, both Grimes and Zilis receive financial compensation for raising these children, whom they theoretically had "for the benefit of humanity" to fight demographic collapse.
  • Every single one of those pregnancies was planned and agreed upon through contracts. In fact, Ashley St. Clair's biggest problem arose when she refused to sign the final Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA), which was a lifetime agreement outlining her compensation, just like everyone else. She wanted to negotiate and felt the money offered was too little. Well, it's not bad for someone you didn't even carry.
  • Absence of Physical Pregnancy: Public appearances, livestreams, and media engagements show uninterrupted work schedules and no physical signs of pregnancy during gestational periods. The babies are carried to term by hired surrogates. In this sense, Grimes has been the most honest: she spoke publicly when she carried X herself and was fully transparent when she used surrogacy later.

Conclusion

The friction seen on platforms like Reddit or X doesn't stem from heartbreak; it arises from the clash when one party attempts to renegotiate an assisted reproduction agreement under a romantic narrative or traditional custody dispute. There is no relationship drama here: there are naming contracts, NDAs, IVF clinics, and co-parenting partners.

u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 1 day ago

The 2023 Receipts: Data, Timelines, and the Logistical Flaws in Ashley St. Clair’s Narrative

A few days ago, it came out that, according to Ashley St. Clair, she cared for Musk after back surgery sometime between 2023 and 2024. Just another one of her absurd lies, especially since Musk never had any surgery during that period, as u/ApprehensiveTrick579 has clearly demonstrated. I've gathered the new information she's provided and organized it. The problem with ASC is that she lies so much she has to resort to "diffuse" lies.

I'm going to first list what happens in 2023 regarding what he said about Musk's surgery, and then the complete timeline (again). I'm simply adding data to what we already published:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonChat_Commentary/comments/1tqf0g6/deep_dive_analyzing_asc_metadata_and_locations_in/

Then I'll add the information for 2024.

So, 2023:

Based on the detailed 2023 timeline and documented logistical records, there is overwhelming, undeniable proof that completely refutes Ashley St. Clair’s (ASC) claims of providing post-operative or back recovery care to Elon Musk in New York.

Here is the systematic breakdown of why her narrative is entirely false based on the 2023 timeline:

1. Total Absence of Any Surgery in All of 2023

  • The Only Medical Event (August 7, 2023): Musk only underwent a 3-hour MRI in New York. An MRI is a completely non-invasive diagnostic imaging procedure that requires no deep sedation, physical recovery, or post-operative care of any kind.
  • The Official Diagnosis: Musk himself publicly confirmed on X (August 11, 2023) that his previous anterior C5/C6 spinal fusion was completely solid and not an issue.
  • No Real Surgery Until 2025: The actual spinal fusion/decompression surgery did not take place until January 11, 2025, at UPMC Presbyterian Hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania—not in New York, and not in 2023.

2. Lightning-Fast Stays Incompatible with Medical Caregiving

Caring for someone recovering from spinal surgery requires weeks of rest and continuous presence. Musk’s visits to New York during 2023 were fleeting, making any medical caregiving scheme impossible:

  • August 7–8, 2023 (MRI Day):
    • Musk landed in New York, had the MRI, held work meetings, spent the night gaming Diablo alone, and departed at 10:00 AM on August 8.
    • ASC Was Not There: She was bar-hopping in Manhattan with Angela Belcamino, posting on social media in an attempt to capture Musk’s attention. There was zero contact or encounter.
  • September 17, 2023:
    • Total stay of 3.5 hours in New York (arrived at 2:15 PM / 3:15 PM and departed at 5:42 PM / 6:15 PM). He was in an official meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan alongside Lil X and Lauren Dreyer, then immediately flew to San Jose.
  • November 29, 2023:
    • Total stay of ~6.5 hours (landed at 4:15 PM / 4:20 PM at Teterboro, NJ). He attended the public DealBook Summit interview from 5:15 PM to 7:00 PM and departed at 11:00 PM back to Austin for the Cybertruck event.
    • While he was giving the interview, ASC posted photos alone at JFK Airport wearing an FTX hoodie.

3. Geographic Divergence and Uninterrupted Routine

Throughout 2023, Musk’s schedule demonstrates intense and continuous physical activity that contradicts any period of medical leave or immobility:

  • Intense Physical Sessions: On July 2, 2023, he was in Austin for private martial arts/wrestling sessions with Lex Fridman, Georges St-Pierre, and John Danaher.
  • Travel and Inspections: Trips to China (May), Italy (June and December), rocket launches in Boca Chica and Titusville, massive public events, and video game livestreams (Diablo, Fortnite).
  • Absence of Physical Intersection:
    • May (Rhode Island / China): ASC claimed she flew with him to Rhode Island on May 19–20 after meeting at SF HQ. Flight records prove Musk flew to pick up his son in Rhode Island, returned to Austin, and then flew to LA and China. ASC used a doctored screenshot from a public Starlink test video as fake visual "proof."
    • June: While Musk was in NYC (meeting with PM Modi) and traveling to Italy, ASC was in Dallas and Austin with her media team.
    • September (Eagle Pass): When ASC arrived at the border in Eagle Pass, Texas, Musk’s plane had already departed 30 minutes earlier.
    • October (Austin): When ASC visited Austin, she stayed at a commercial hotel (proven by the emergency exit map in her room selfie) rather than Musk’s private residence. While she drove to Eagle Pass, Musk was at the Formula 1 event and Starbase.

4. Documented Concurrent Relationship with Mike Benz

While ASC falsely claims to have been caring for Musk in New York, photographic and social media records prove she was maintaining an ongoing romantic relationship with Mike Benz:

  • Celebration of their "squad-iversary" and public affectionate messages in the fall of 2023.
  • Formal dinner dates (November 1, 2023).
  • Joint trip to Miami for Art Basel (December 5–7, 2023).

5. Falsehood in the Year-End Transition (St. Barts)

The lie regarding physical closeness and caregiving completely collapses heading into 2024:

  • ASC claimed in court filings that her child was conceived on St. Barts in early January 2024.
  • Flight and photographic records prove Musk flew from Cabo San Lucas to Puerto Rico on December 30, 2023, and arrived in St. Barts on December 31 at 4:00 PM with his son Lil X, his older son, a nanny, Joe Gebbia, and Isabelle Boemeke.
  • ASC does not appear on any flight manifest, photo, New Year's Eve party, or paparazzi record in St. Barts. She was in New York with Ellie in Space.

💡 Core Conclusion

The 2023 timeline proves that ASC’s claim is a complete fabrication:

  1. There was no surgical procedure to recover from in 2023 (only a non-invasive 3-hour MRI).
  2. Musk’s stays in NY lasted only a few hours, packed with hyperactive public schedules surrounded by official, family, and work entourages.
  3. ASC was geographically elsewhere (Dallas, Miami, media conferences) or staying independently in hotels, maintaining a purely transactional content-amplification dynamic on X alongside a simultaneous personal relationship with Mike Benz.

Full 2023:

Central Thesis: Public geolocation, flight logs, and social-media records prove ASC and Elon Musk barely crossed paths. The data continue to show a structured, transactional relationship focused on content amplification and later legal/financial pressure, not organic romance or medical caregiving. This would have been impossible without ApprehensiveTrick579’s contribution. I only arranged it.

The Transactional Pattern on X (Twitter) – 2023

  • Volume and Consistency (May–December 2023): A strict average of 6 active interaction days per month.
    • August–October: Locked in at exactly 6 days every single month.
    • November–December: Increased to a target of 8 days per month.
  • Nature of the Content: 95% of Musk’s interactions consisted solely of emojis, happening systematically at the very end of each month.
  • Direct Financial Impact (she posted about it): On July 13, 2023, ASC publicly announced a monthly payout from X of $7,153, driven by 328 million tweet impressions over 28 days. Musk’s end-of-month interactions acted as an exposure booster to maximize her ad-revenue sharing—a visibility strategy Musk frequently uses with other select creators.

Mike Benz (Documented Concurrent Relationship 2023)

  • October 2022: Mike Benz and Ashley St. Clair begin a documented relationship (anniversary of their “squad” relationship, acknowledged by both). A photo exists from 2023 commemorating this anniversary.
  • Continued throughout 2023: This continued throughout 2023 with formal dinner dates, intimate selfies, public messages, and a “squad-iversary” celebration in fall 2023.

📅 Detailed Timeline of Events 2023

May 2023: Setting the Baseline

  • May 2: Elon Musk starts following ASC on X. ASC tells her then-friend Isabella Moody that Musk followed her and that she needs his “rocket babies” (screenshot available).
  • May 19: The only existing photograph of Ashley and Elon together. Taken at the Twitter/X headquarters with The Babylon Bee team (including Seth Dillon). Musk replies to 2 of ASC’s posts that day.
  • The Providence Flight Disproof: Ashley would later claim in an NYT article that after she met Elon in San Francisco Twitter HQ, Elon asked her to travel with him to Providence.
    • He left SF at 11:35 PM (Pacific Time) on May 19 and landed on May 20 at 7:15 AM (Eastern Time) in Providence, RI, to pick up his son for the end of the college semester.
    • His son flew back with him at 3:51 PM (Eastern Time) that afternoon, May 20, to Austin where they landed at 6:17 PM (Central Time).
    • Elon and his son then left Austin at 7:13 PM (Central Time) and flew to LA the same day, May 20, at 7:44 PM (Pacific Time).
    • Elon would leave LA at 11:00 AM (Pacific Time) and be back in Austin at 3:29 PM (Central Time) on May 21.
  • Fabricated Visual Evidence: She presented a screenshot from a Starlink test video as a photo she took herself, which is definitive proof that they had to fabricate the visual evidence. If she had actually been on that plane that night en route to Rhode Island, she would have had real photos, real metadata, and wouldn't have needed to steal a frame from a public Starlink broadcast and overlay it on her timeline.
  • Departure to China: Three days later he left for Shanghai via Alaska on 5.29.23. He didn’t go anywhere else during that time; this can be confirmed with publicly available Elon jet trackers, posts, and news articles about his trip to China. Elon did not travel at that time to Rhode Island with her.

June 2023: Geographic Divergence

  • June 9: ASC arrives in Dallas, Texas (documented by a photo with a friend).
  • June 10:
    • ASC: Acts as a speaker at a conference in Dallas. She travels to Austin for the day to record a car-ride interview with Gail Alfar, then returns to Dallas for the rest of the conference.
    • Musk: Remains in Austin, conducting interviews and tweeting actively throughout the afternoon and evening.
  • June 11: ASC is in Dallas (posts a photo with Lara Trump). Photo referenced.
  • June 20–22:
    • Musk: Located in New York City (in-person meeting with PM Modi on June 20). On June 22, he attends virtual meetings with Thierry Breton, Linda Yaccarino, and the X team regarding EU censorship regulations, followed by a professional photoshoot with his mother and photographer Annie Leibovitz. Professional photoshoot photo referenced.
    • ASC: Remains in Dallas. On June 22, she appears as a guest on Alex Stein’s TV show in Dallas.
  • June 23:
    • Musk: Leaves NYC early in the morning, flying directly to Europe (staying in Italy June 23–25).
    • ASC: Moves south to Austin, Texas, to spend the day with her friend Morgan. She is back in NYC by June 25 (posts pictures with MJ on June 24). Pictures referenced.

July 2023: Separate Routines

  • July 1: ASC is in Dallas with her media team and YouTuber NuanceBro. They have dinner at an Ethiopian restaurant inside a gas station (photo evidence exists). Photo evidence referenced.
  • July 2: Musk is at his home base in Austin for a private wrestling session, accompanied exclusively by his inner circle: Lex Fridman, Georges St-Pierre, John Danaher, and Shivon Zilis.
  • July 13: ASC posts her X monetization payout confirmation ($7,153). Photo evidence referenced.

August 2023: Hair Transformations and Zero Intersection (Key MRI Day)

  • August 6: ASC dyes her hair blonde. Documentation indicates this was an aesthetic move to align with biographical details from Talulah Riley regarding Musk’s past preferences.
  • August 7:
    • Musk: Lands in NYC late at night for a high-pressure, fast-tracked stay focused on international Starlink deployment and legal actions. Earlier that day, his lawyers filed a second motion to dismiss the Dogecoin case. He undergoes a rigorous, confidential 3-hour MRI scan and meets with international executives and the Indonesian PM. He spends the night gaming alone, posting his Druid scores in Diablo. Duration: No surgery occurred. He held work meetings on August 7 and 8 and took off from New York the morning of August 8 at 10:00 AM.
    • ASC: Bar-hopping in Manhattan with content creator Angela Belcamino. They post multiple times on X and TikTok in an overt attempt to capture Elon’s attention. There is zero record of any encounter.
  • August 8: Elon wraps up his trip, taking off from NYC in his private jet before 10:00 AM.

September 2023: The Mike Benz Connection + Lightning NYC Stay

  • September 15: Ashley with Alex Stein in Miami, joined by Tim Pool for Timcast IRL podcast (EP. 862). Podcast thumbnail and cover photo referenced.
  • September 17: Musk spends only 3.5 hours in NYC. Elon arrives at 3:15 PM with Lauren Dreyer and Lil X in New York to meet with President Erdoğan. He leaves at 6:15 PM and flies directly to San Jose for an AI Safety panel discussion with President Netanyahu and his wife, Sarah. They then fly to Austin to tour the Tesla Gigafactory. Group photo with President Erdoğan referenced; separate photo of Elon with Netanyahu and Maye Musk referenced. (Matches the earlier NYC presence entry: total duration 3.5 hours – arrival 2:15 PM ET / departure 5:42 PM ET in the prior version; updated here with the more precise times above.)
  • September 28: ASC arrived at the Eagle Pass, TX border with NuanceBro, The Babylon Bee team, and crew. Elon left the area half an hour after she arrived. They were not together. Photo evidence of ASC’s presence referenced; no joint photo.
  • September 29:
    • ASC & Mike Benz: Exchange public messages. Photo_016 (fiATZ / xKXkg) shows a meme about being attracted to intelligence alongside a photo of Benz wearing a pink brain hat; ASC tells him she’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t wear it in his next video. Photo_014 (oQBbf) (an Instagram “Memories” screenshot) documents Ashley and Mike Benz celebrating their “squad-iversary” in the fall of 2023.
    • Logistics: ASC was visiting the border in Eagle Pass, Texas, with The Babylon Bee team. Musk visited the border that same month (wearing his cowboy hat backward), but his plane left before ASC’s team even arrived.

October 2023: Parallel Travel Without Overlap

  • October 12: ASC arrives in Austin highly dressed up. At 5:50 PM, she posts a picture at a hotel bar with a martini Photo_012 (rR6Qp). At 1:30 AM, she posts a selfie alone in her hotel room (the emergency exit route and rules sign is visible on the door). She is there to attend Vivek Ramaswamy’s speech at UT-Austin that evening. Photo_012 referenced; hotel room selfie referenced. Contrast: If she were Musk’s official girlfriend, logistics dictate she would stay at his private residence, not a hotel.
  • October 13:
    • ASC: Drives 4 hours from Austin to Eagle Pass with creator Ellie in Space for a livestream. She records a carpool karaoke interview with Vivek Ramaswamy (Photo_010 (cRrPZ), posted at 9:48 PM). Photo_010 referenced.
    • Musk: Remains in Austin, attending a Formula 1 event and testing the Cybertruck.
  • October 14:
    • ASC: Returns to NYC early.
    • Musk: Travels to Starbase in Boca Chica, Texas (a 7-hour drive from Eagle Pass). Someone takes a picture of his Cybertruck leaving Starbase with exact metadata from October 14, 2023. Cybertruck departure photo with metadata referenced.

November 2023: Relationship Evidence with Benz & The Grimes Case + Lightning NYC Stay(If the goal was to carry out the transfer in January, November is the exact month in which the legal surrogacy contracts (handled by Jared) have to be signed and ovarian stimulation has to begin if her eggs were going to be used or not. Many things happen this month, which we will discuss later or not because there are too many actors together here.)

  • November 1: ASC goes on a formal, romantic dinner date with Mike Benz, coinciding with her oldest son’s birthday. Documented in Photo (“By Xah Lee. Date: 2023-11-01”). Photo referenced.
  • November 10–17: Grimes launches an emergency flash auction of over 80 personal belongings due to an urgent need for liquidity amid her ongoing custody dispute with Musk. Photo_019 (nXNLN). Photo referenced.
  • November 11:
    • ASC lands in Austin under the public alibi of attending a baby shower (“I’m in Austin for a baby shower actually 😂”). Exactly 60 seconds later, she uploads a hotel elevator mirror selfie wearing a black leather jacket (Photo_013 (nYbVu)) while holding a sealed industrial cardboard box with the text “What’s in the box.”
    • She later posts Photo_020 (m7nlu) complaining about a scorpion trying to take a shower with her, confirming she is staying at a temporary rental (Airbnb/Hotel) and not at Musk’s house. At 2:37 PM, she posts Photo_021 (wJQvy) dressed like Elizabeth Holmes (“Edison blood machine”).
  • November 18: Starship launch at Boca Chica. Errol Musk attends accompanied by Shivon Zilis and her children (Zilis personally invited Errol, confirmed by him on the MagG Podcast and documented by journalist Jeremy Goldkorn). Maye Musk does not attend.
  • November 22: Mike Benz posts a highly cozy selfie with ASC (Photo_017 (xKXkg / GulAL)) captioned: “Saving The Internet is on the menu u/stclairashley.” Benz looks incredibly happy. (Analysis: Only one photo exists of Musk with ASC’s child. The data behavior suggests Mike Benz frequently acted as an intermediary in ASC’s dynamics.)
  • November 29, 2023:
    • Elon flew to New York for the GFY interview (DealBook Summit). He was only in the city for the duration of the interview and returned to Austin the same night. He arrived at Teterboro at 4:15 PM. The live-streamed interview began at 5:15 PM and ended at 7:00 PM. He flew back to Austin at 11:00 PM for the Cybertruck event the following day. No photo of Elon’s arrival/departure at Teterboro referenced. (Matches the earlier NYC presence entry: total duration ~6.5 hours – landing 4:20 PM ET / departure from Teterboro, NJ, 11:07 PM ET.)
    • At 4:36 PM, ASC posted from JFK airport wearing an FTX hoodie: “why won’t anybody invest with me.” Airport selfie photo referenced.
    • At 7:18 PM, Ellie in Space and CB_Doge posted together at the Cybertruck event. Photo referenced.
  • November 30, 2023:
    • At 10:49 PM, group live video/photo with Ashley, Penny, CB_Doge, and Alex (Ashley making middle-finger gesture). Group selfie photo referenced.
    • Ashley posted from the same apartment as CB_Doge wearing a “NORMAL TAX FRAUD” hat: “i’m going to wear this hat religiously for the next six months and then wonder why I got audited by the feds.” Selfie photo referenced (same background as CB_Doge’s posts).
    • Ashley with Penny after the Cybertruck event (photo with Ellie in Space, Alex, and CB_Doge). Multiple group photos referenced.
    • “X brings us all together” post with the same group. Photo referenced.

December 2023: The End of the Public Narrative + St. Barts Disproof

  • December 1: ASC records a live video at the airport announcing she is leaving Austin at 2:00 PM while wearing her “NORMAL TAX FRAUD” hat. Live video screenshot referenced.
  • December 2–4: ASC travels to Italy to act as a speaker for an EU Identity and Democracy conference, meeting up with Andrea Stroppa. The Musk Contrast: On the evening of December 2, Elon remains in Austin, recording an extensive interview with Sandy Munro (broadcast December 5), where Lil X can be heard in the background.
  • December 4: ASC arrives back in New York. She takes a picture with Dr. Johnny and her older son wearing a Santa hat. She is still blonde in this photo (which she later posts on December 10), indicating it was captured right upon her return from Italy before her salon appointment.
  • December 5–7: ASC travels to Miami, Florida with Mike Benz for Art Basel. Both post about the events. On December 5, ASC officially dyes her hair back to brunette.
  • December 8:
    • ASC: Attends a Christmas party with Erin Elmore and Drea Recino (posted to X by Erin; Laura Loomer appears untagged in the background).
    • Musk: Arrives in Miami incredibly late at 10:30 PM, long after ASC’s daytime activities.
  • December 9: Elon is in Rhode Island for the Army/Navy football game with Lil X.
  • December 10: ASC is still in Florida attending a Christmas party with The Babylon Bee team.
  • December 11: Elon arrives at SpaceX/NASA in Titusville, Florida at 7:53 PM for a special USSF-52 Starlink mission launch. He is on-site for exactly 3 hours, leaving at 11:30 PM to fly straight back to Austin.
  • December 13–14: On December 13, ASC (back in NY) posts about streaming games. On December 14, she conducts a live stream playing Fortnite from her home in New York.
  • December 15–17: Elon travels to Italy to speak at a high-level youth political summit alongside PM Giorgia Meloni and Andrea Stroppa.
  • December 15–20: ASC travels to Phoenix, Arizona to attend the Turning Point AmericaFest conference alongside Eva Vlaar and Lauren Southern. On December 20, she does a live stream directly from the Phoenix airport before flying back to NYC.
  • December 19: Elon and his Cybertruck are spotted in Palo Alto, California via Tesla FSD logs shared on X. He spends the night online playing Diablo.
  • December 21:
    • ASC: Travels to Florida for an interview with The Redheaded Libertarian and hosts an X Spaces session that night.
    • The Delayed Photo Anomaly: Andrea Conway posts a bar selfie of ASC and Laura Wolff. Although posted on Dec 21, ASC is still blonde in the photo, proving it was a delayed upload taken prior to her December 5 brunette transformation.
    • Musk: Conducts a massive live X Spaces event alongside Mario Nawfal, Alex Jones, and Andrew Tate.
  • December 22–27:
    • Musk: Accounts for his time between LA/SpaceX and Austin. (Depending on the secondary personal aircraft tracking, he is split between LA operations and his home base in Austin). He streams Diablo gameplay on December 26, 2023, and spends the night of December 27 working physically at the X headquarters.
  • December 28–30:
    • Musk: Flies to Boca Chica on December 28, returns to Austin on December 29, and prepares for departure.
    • ASC: Remains in New York City, spending time across multiple locations with Ellie in Space, which both document publicly on social media.
  • December 29: In the late evening, Elon flies to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico (accompanied by his brother and family).
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u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 3 days ago

The Real Strategy Behind the "Romance" Label: How Public PR vs. Court Depositions Expose the OpenAI Witness Neutralization

Speaking of parasitic people, I'm going to post something I saw on another forum. It's a comment from u/Final_Performermance (shared here with her explicit permission), who noticed how, lately, bots paid by Shivon Zilis are trying to spread the false image that she's Musk's ex, when, well, u/Final_Performermance explains it perfectly, and we've explained it perfectly on many occasions.

Note to Moderators and Readers: This post analyzes the contrast between public media narratives and actual court records. The commentary cited below from u/Final_Performermance is posted with her permission and contains candid, strong opinions regarding the parties involved. It is quoted strictly for discussion and analysis of the corporate and legal dynamics surrounding OpenAI and related proceedings

Shivon Zilis has never had anything to do with Musk, and the whole charade of the OpenAI trial and everything else was so that she could be neutralized legally. Ultimately, the insistence on selling us the narrative of a 'romantic relationship' or 'ex-partner' isn't accidental: within the US legal strategy, framing their connection as personal neutralizes her weight as an impartial witness, let's say....in general.

If you add to this the obvious contradictions between their testimonies regarding the organization's non-profit status and the email records that prove otherwise, their credibility in court is completely compromised. What we see on social media is nothing more than a desperate attempt to maintain a narrative of influence that has already been dismantled in court by documentary evidence. Although she also believes it helps the world forget that she failed to fulfill her fiduciary duties, in addition to a bunch of, let's call them, "anomalies" to avoid saying a more criminal word.

Personally, I don't believe there was anything intimate or sexual between Musk and either ASC or Zilis. In ASC's case, because she only met Musk once, so telepathy could have given rise to her claims. In Zilis's case, for the obvious reasons we know, plus her personal preferences, plus the fact that Musk doesn't even glance at her as a "woman."

Here is the comment by u/Final_Performermance😄

"It was a conscious choice made by Musk and his reps to drive away rumors about a supposed romance. To extinguish the gossip created by the internet over ai images.

Even behind the scenes at X, people know it's happening. It's not really a fair display, to come out with assumptions about an alleged romance and St. Bart's baby without proof. Anywhere.

Typically you can't even be around Musk in his airspace, unless you've signed an nda. Just because Ashley didn't sign hers, doesn't mean she wasn't supposed to. She basically broke a good faith agreement.

Once you lie to Musk it is over. Look where both SZ and ASC are with Musk. Nowhere.

And they will continue to get nowhere, and continue to deal with his handler, and continue to get ignored by phone and email and text, and probably continue in court for the rest of their lives.

Because they're too thirsty to just take their money raise their baby and shut up.

You can already see it the curbed behavior from ASC because she's been told. And we don't hear a peep out of Zilis since she posted an ai image of their kid on X and he hearted a fake image.

Neither one possess the distinguished behavior or elegance necessary to exist in his world, elevated as his romantic partner, the "chosen" one. 😂

That's why they are "Baby Mommas", contracted to raise kids.

Nowhere in that agreement does it say Musk is their "romantic partner".

If they were dumb enough to lay down with him and spread their legs, and they believe they're in love with him, and he's in love with them, they're moronic.

Their romance Is something both created in their mind, out of romantic feelings they form for him because of his demeanor. He is quite a charmer!

I'm just not a believer in the whole Shivon/Elon romance. And there's no proof ASC ever went to St Barts, plus proof of Musk working over the holiday weekend she says she got "knocked up" by Musk.

The whole pregnancy of ASC lack credibility and proof. And her big mouth gives away the plot everyday.

And where I don't want to throw a wrench in the works, (because Lazy likes to block anyone who differs with her opinion) they're really is no proof of either one being anything other than an ordinary baby momma.

Even in this announcement, they say "Ex girlfriend". But there was never a girlfriend relationship established with her.

It's the same argument in several other subs where they talk openly and honestly about their beliefs and nobody is blocked for having any differing views. So you get to hear equally from everybody and not just like minded delusion.

But here, it's like many of you are going along with an idea created on the internet. There is no credible proof anywhere that either woman has been in a romance with Musk.

Without hearing or seeing Elon offer credence to either rumor, that's all it is, is gossip. He does not give off any type of romance vibes with either.

It's like the Three stooges in action; Grimes, ASC and Zilis. All fighting for something they will never get."

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u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 8 days ago

On Shivon Zilis, Ashley St. Clair, and IVF: Breaking Down Sonia Randhawa’s Post

Ashley St Clair was chosen by Shivon Zilis to have IVF baby. Does Zilis have to pay child support for ASC's child?

We're going to borrow a post by Sonia Randhawa (@sonirw) on X regarding a topic that has already been discussed in these forums, but that she organized and explained quite well. It deals with Shivon Zilis's involvement and role in the deal with Ashley St. Clair, which makes us wonder whether she should be the one paying ASC child support and covering any other expenses she might incur. All of this was already shown by u/ApprehensiveTrick579; it’s just that Sonia has organized the information.

Furthermore, since both X accounts and people right here have had to deal with the self-promotion Shivon Zilis is pushing, we don't really get why she feels such a need for self-importance, leaving everyone baffled, or why she's trying to cover up her ongoing, multiple betrayals of Elon Musk.

First, I’ll post the summary I’ve made, and the rest will follow exactly as Sonia posted it.

Timeline of Events and Interactions (2018–2025)

1. Background (2018–2019)

  • 2018–2019: Ashley St. Clair works as a brand ambassador (social media influencer) for the conservative political organization Turning Point USA alongside Charlie Kirk when she is 20–21 years old. She is fired in October 2019.
  • Same Period (2018–2019): Shivon Zilis serves on the board of directors at OpenAI alongside Sam Altman.

2. February 2024: Initial Contacts and Coded Negotiations

  • February 1, 2024:
    • Shivon and Ashley have their first interaction on X (later deleted), referencing The Lord of the Rings (Elon’s favorite books) regarding "eugenics and training."
    • Context: Shivon uses Orchid Health in San Francisco for embryo DNA screening.
  • February 20, 2024:
    • Both share posts about Alexander the Great and names assigned through the court.
    • Romulus is only 7 weeks in vitro, but the theory suggests they are already discussing names for the child.
  • February 21, 2024:
    • Another public interaction between the two is recorded on X.
  • February 25, 2024:
    • The Jabs and Legal Ultimatum: In this interaction, Ashley responds by bringing up "moral responsibility," her background in politics, and intentionally using the word "philosophy" (Shivon's degree from Yale, often cited in criticisms regarding her lack of a technical background for executive roles at Tesla, Neuralink, or OpenAI).
    • This is interpreted as a warning: Ashley implies she will leverage her political connections and take matters to court if she doesn't get what she wants.
  • February 28, 2024:
    • Arcadia is born.

3. March 2024: Pressure Point and Logistical Resolution

  • March 12 & 13, 2024:
    • Public exchanges continue on X, demonstrating established rapport between Shivon and Ashley.
  • March 15, 2024:
    • The Last Public Interaction: Ashley posts a collage of Elon’s companies (Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX) and uses phrases like "turning point" and "tax dollars" (subtly hinting at her political past and Elon’s future role in DOGE auditing government spending).
    • Shivon replies tersely: “good point,” proving she understood the coded message.
    • Following this exchange, public interaction between them ceases entirely, and their accounts go private.
  • March 20, 2024 (Just 5 Days Later):
    • Ashley publicly debuts her new luxury Manhattan apartment in a photo holding an orange on her head.
    • The apartment is funded and managed through an LLC managed by Jared Birchall (head of Elon Musk’s family office). Notorious socialite Anna Delvey also resides in this building.

4. April 2024: Consolidation of the "Digital Truce"

  • Once the financial assets are secured and the apartment keys delivered:
    • Elon Musk unsubscribes from Ashley’s paid subscription page.
    • Shivon Zilis purchases her second home in Austin (a few miles from Elon) to distance herself and stake out her territory.
    • The "digital truce" solidifies after the high-pressure operation achieves its goal.

5. March – October 2025: End of the Deal

  • March 29, 2025:
    • The car provided to Ashley St. Clair is taken away (just over a year after acquiring the apartment).
  • October 2025:
    • Ashley is forced to move out of the Jared Birchall-managed LLC apartment and moves in with her ex, Dr. Johnny.

So, here is Sonia's post.

Ashley St Clair was chosen by Shivon Zilis to have IVF baby

Shivon was involved in this pro-natal arrangement. Their online interactions, specifically starting in February 2024 reveal it.

Zilis had EVERYTHING to do with Ashley's BABY CONTRACT. Ashley's subsequent February 2025 "baby announcement" on X was also related to Zilis recommendation. Up until that point, they both controlled the narrative, and they continued to do so afterwards.

Shivon Zilis encouraged Ashley enough, directly or indirectly, to believe she was "brave." Grimes was also in contact with Ashley.

Jared managed to get Elon to sign on a loan of $1 million and then a payment of $1.5 million and also included a place for her to live and a Tesla vehicle to use for a year.

All the “baby-mamas” used IVF and surrogates for their children and have individual contracts that are managed by Jared Birchall. Even in the court documents, she had a “loan” of 1 million before receiving another 1.5 million in payments.

Elon did not “instigate” the contract with Ashley or chose her to be a baby mother.

Shivon posted about ‘spilled milk’ on 12.29.23 as symbolic communication.

Evidence: https://x.com/shivon/status/1740848683648946195

Then, Shivon was posted about “easter eggs” on a picture of a plane flying over the Tesla gigafactory on 1.01.24.

Evidence:
https://x.com/shivon/status/1741940084394328423

(Ashley miscalculated this as a signal indicating her IVF child has been planted - and used it to create her story about conceiving at St Barts on New Year, I have already proven she was in New York for NYE. She only met Elon once at the Twitter office )

Then, Shivon made a stand-alone post on 1.05.24 “chaos ex Machina” which is basically an unexpected event changes the course of the future.

Evidence:
https://x.com/shivon/status/1743423334413447573

Ashley's IVF baby was planted in mid January 2024
for Romulus to be born September 17, 2024

u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 16 days ago

Enough with the unbacked claims, relationship drama, and diagnosing other users.

Can we finally put an end to the posts pushing speculative narratives about Musk, his baby mamas, money motives, and abandoned lovers without a single shred of evidence?

A few reminders for the sub:

  1. Bring receipts: If you are claiming specific affairs, contracts, or emotional dynamics as fact, show primary sources and solid proof. Here, the inconsistencies have been laid out for you, showing that neither Zilis nor ASC has any connection to Musk beyond contracts. Bring them on.
  2. Stop diagnosing people: Nobody here needs lectures from self-appointed experts telling other members whether they are sane or mentally ill. If you want to psychoanalyze someone, please show your credentials. This is not a place for witch doctors or for playing at being psychiatrists or psychologists without ever having opened a book on the subject.
  3. If you want to make a recommendation to someone but cannot present professional credentials or relevant training, stick to recommending self-help books at most. We aren't to blame here if profiles named Musk, Mask, or Mesk scam you, or if someone promises to be the love of your life. You can go to therapy, to a qualified professional, or, if you prefer, form your own group to complain. We are very sorry, but this is not the place.
  4. Keep the drama elsewhere: If you can't construct a proper argument backed by evidence, take those posts back to the places you originally came from. If you want to put forward any claims, try to present evidence; to date, no "baby mama" has been able to produce anything other than contracts and her own personal account—especially ASC, who is desperately chasing money in the New York courts and needs to sell the story of her affair. Refute everything we have already presented, and you will be accepted and believed.
  5. If your subreddits are doing so well, if you’re so successful and all that, then keep using them; we don’t need any more of your toxicity here. If you want to talk about how badly Musk is handling everything, like I said, you’ve got half a million forums on Reddit where you can go on at length to your heart's content.
  6. This discussion started with the topic of OpenAI; evidence was presented, even if just in the form of observations, and references were cited; at other times, documents for other types of evidence were put forward. Please present the evidence, and spare us the boredom.
  7. If a post mentions, for example, how Musk has referred to women, using terms like "gf," "partners," or "awesome partners", it might sound idiotic, but it is verifiable that this is indeed how he has spoken, because there are statements on record. Period.

Let's keep this space grounded in actual facts and verifiable data, not ungrounded theories and personal attacks.

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u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 20 days ago

The Anatomy of a Media Scam: Debunking the Lies of Ashley St. Clair (Plagiarized Tweets, the Tiffany Fong Case, and the "Uterus Broker" Business)

We previously analyzed Ashley St. Clair’s (ASC) latest interview on Brian’s Substack (Question Everything), but something was left pending:https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonChat_Commentary/comments/1ui2jrp/the_ashley_st_clair_timeline_debunked_flight_logs

https://questioneverything.substack.com/p/watch-ashley-st-clair-called-me-slimy

She is currently on a progressive media tour selling her "enlightened martyr" narrative, and well, she’s neither a martyr nor enlightened, as we’ve already seen:https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonChat_Commentary/comments/1tt8ys1/2024_as_plane_as_a_pancake/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonChat_Commentary/comments/1tqf0g6/deep_dive_analyzing_asc_metadata_and_locations_in/

In addition to what we've already covered, she dropped two things in that podcast that nobody even asked her about. But since she loves to talk and calls herself a "charlatan," let's analyze them:

1. The Tiffany Fong Case: From "Innocent Mother" to "Womb Broker"

In this new segment, Ashley adopts a soap-opera pose: she claims she was holding her baby in her arms when Tiffany Fong called her to say Elon was offering to have a child with her via DM, describing it as a "Gatlin gun of sperm." Then she says she innocently went to tell Elon about it after discussing it with a mutual friend (Isabel), and that Elon threw a "toddler-like tantrum," turned red in the face, slammed the door, and started furiously texting Tiffany.

The Real Story (The Money She Keeps Quiet About): Ashley spins this as a fit of jealousy or control, but the financial reality behind the scenes is completely different. As we’ve seen, Musk was never her partner at all. Not only did he never exercise any control over her, but he provided her with an income through X (like many other creators) and helped her with the child's expenses, first with $1 million and later through loans.

Yet ASC did whatever she damn well pleased during the time she was allegedly pregnant: she had an ongoing relationship with Mike Benz, traveled to Miami with her friends, and jetted off to Rome when she was supposedly 7 months pregnant. She was never actually pregnant, though she did post AI-generated photos claiming she was. She also sold us the narrative that she was "locked away", another massive lie we’ve already debunked.

Anyway, the point is that on April 16, 2025, Milo Yiannopoulos (@Nero) exposed the real motive behind this dispute on X after speaking with two people very close to Ashley’s inner circle:

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Musk never had a jealous outburst with Ashley. In fact, she's so clueless that in this very interview she says, "I had a baby with him, so I call him my ex." Well, put it however you want, girl, you only had a contract, and we still don't know who the father is, we haven't even seen the DNA test.

Musk might have been angry, which I doubt because Jared Birchall was handling the whole ASC child contract issue, and we believe Shivon Zilis was involved as well, but Jared Birchall is absolutely confirmed by the court records. What could have angered him is...

Seeing that Ashley was breaching confidentiality and gossiping about genetic arrangements with third parties to press for more money, Elon lost it over the massive security breach. If Milo knew this, all of New York knew it, and the entire ASC influencer network knew it, and I'm not going to name names, but we all know the names.

The real story, and what seems closest to the truth, is that these baby mamas were brought in to combat global population decline caused by falling birth rates. There was absolutely nothing romantic or sentimental about any of this; it was all IVF, surrogacy, and financial contracts. The prevailing belief is that Shivon Zilis was the facilitator who brokered the contract for ASC. Then ASC, in her bid to secure more cash, likely encouraged by Zilis herself, tried to act as a facilitator for other potential baby mamas.

All of them were getting access to massive payouts in exchange for raising children to boost birth rates. But of course, admitting that was hard for them, especially for Zilis and ASC, who struggle to act with any shred of integrity. We've already seen that both of them are the absolute worst. That’s why they insisted on claiming they had a real relationship with Musk. In ASC’s case, it was to position herself to squeeze more money for the child in New York family court. In Zilis’s case, it was an attempt to look like something more than just a regular employee, when in reality she's been just that, and Musk’s treacherous lapdog, for the past 10 years. [We need to analyze who would be Sam Altman's Trojan horse at Apple, because we already know that Shivonn Zilis was Altman's Trojan horse at OpenAI].

I don't know if people remember, I assume they do, all those girls who were chasing after Musk back then. I won't name names, but many of us know exactly who they were, and ASC had a "friendship" or connection with all of them. They were all aggressively pronatalist because they all knew about the contracts, and they specifically knew about ASC's deal.

Milo wasn't wrong in that post:https://x.com/Nero/status/1912594718665691248

Just like he wasn't wrong when he predicted early on that ASC was going to get a baby. Milo knew exactly what she was up to as a facilitator. And that is exactly why Milo has never been sued for it.

u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 1 month ago

The Ashley St. Clair Timeline Debunked: Flight Logs, Receipts, and the "Question Everything" Interview with Brian Reed

[I'm using her joyful face as the cover photo when she says she had an intimate relationship with Musk. What joy, what excitement, what happiness!. Love emanates from every part of her body.]

https://questioneverything.substack.com/p/watch-ashley-st-clair-called-me-slimy

Hello ! Although a bit late, I’ve watched Ashley’s latest interview with Brian Reed in its entirety and... wow, what a gem¡¡¡. I saw that she tried to stop the interview. I thought she was trying to stop it because of the amount of nonsense and lies she said during it, at least for the first three-quarters of the beginning, but no, to my surprise what bothered her the most was that the interviewer started "reminding" her of all the things she has said that go against what she now super-defends within the Democrats who fund her. And of course, ASC is worried about not making a career in the Democratic movement. Don't worry, my dear, as soon as they see how prone you are to fabulation, not to say the total absence of reality supporting what you say, they won't take you into account either, but don't worry, time will tell all.

On the other hand, I'm glad to know you read us, Ashley St. Clair. I've proven through this interview, once again, that you dedicate yourself to fabricating facts based on what is posted here, like the timeline we put together. Turns out that now you claim that when you "coincided with Musk in the same city" you were with him. You're saying this now based on the timeline we pulled on you, but let’s take it one step at a time.

Also, for someone who doesn't like Shivon Zilis at all, we don't either, but we'll get to that later, you copy her a little bit. ASC doesn't like being considered a baby mama, but girl, it's what you signed up for.

Before getting into the core of the matter, I have to say it is greatly appreciated that you were finally seen without the 85 filters you put on yourself on TikTok. At least now we know what her real face looks like without looking like a distorted virtual reality avatar. I would take something for the swelling. People out there have said that your face wasn't due to the baby being sick, because of course, we know you can't spend a single day of your life without the utilitarian use of that baby conceived via IVF and that you, of course, did not carry.

On the other hand, you went on the podcast, among other things, to talk about the lawsuit against xAI over Grok's photos of your person. Well, you went with a neckline down to your belly, nothing against it, but let's see, it's not the most coherent thing, but coherence isn't exactly part of your identity; quite the opposite.

The objective of this post is simple: We are going to compare, point by point, ASC’s assertions in the interview with the cold, relentless, and very public reality (flight logs, actual interactions on X, geolocated photos, and her curious timeline with Mike Benz). It’s going to take a long while because I have looked at absolutely everything.

This post serves to understand how a false narrative is constructed, especially now that she's running around with her lawsuit against xAI trying to win the Oscar for victim of the year. Here we go, gorgeous!

Ashley’s Central Premise: "I am the only chosen one". She and her narcissism.

According to her, there are a lot of people who know the truth but can't speak, so she has sacrificed herself to be the voice of the people. She claims she had an intimate relationship with Elon Musk starting in May 2023, that he is the father of her child (whom, by the way, she uses as a shield and an excuse whenever it suits her, which is incredibly sad), and that xAI generated millions of images of her.

As I already mentioned, she wanted this interview not to air, claiming that the interviewer "wasn't a real journalist." This coming from her, someone who never studied journalism but sold herself as such for years. What truly hurt her wasn't her supposed truths about Musk, but that at the end they brought up her history of toxic tweets, destroying her dreamed-of rise in the Democratic league. She thinks, or believes, that because she is currently being paraded as a puppet from podcast to podcast, they are going to catapult her to stardom as a Democratic influencer: but no, my dear, because more than helping them, she is sinking them because her contradictions are such that anyone who dives a little into what she says will realize she's lying. They don't need enemies because they already have her.

We know that for Reid Hoffman to have come forward to talk about Musk, given the dubious nature of his moral behavior as a close friend of Epstein and a puppet of Gates, the situation must be complicated. Even after sending her to every Democratic podcast they could. Well, let´s go.

The "Fairy Tale" and the Real Timeline

The instant crush (May 2023)

  • What Ashley says: That in May 2023 Elon fell head over heels in her DMs ("He slid into my DMs"), asked her if she was in Austin or San Francisco, and it "immediately" turned into an intimate and daily relationship. And that they texted each other daily.
  • What the facts say: There is only ONE photo of them together on May 19, 2023, at the X offices alongside the Babylon Bee team. If we look at the pattern on X, they had a strict average of 6 interactions a month (95% of which were just emojis). Coincidentally, on July 13, 2023, she herself bragged about a payment from X for $7,153 dollars thanks to the millions of impressions those replies from Elon generated for her. It wasn't love, friends, it was a monetization strategy for creators! There isn't a single credible screenshot of those supposed daily intimate chats. A fairytale romance where the language of love is priced in pennies per thousand impressions. How romantic!
  • Furthermore, for a person who has gone to such lengths to forge messages, which we have already analyzed (whoever wants to know more can look at other posts we’ve done), and who shows everything, even what she doesn’t have but invents, she hasn't shown a single message from those daily texts.

The aerial "situationship" and the ghost trips

  • What Ashley says: That the relationship lasted until February 2025. That they spent "good quality time" together in the same city and that they texted daily. She even made up a very movie-like anecdote on Elon's private jet: "Just the two of us on the plane, drinking wine, and him frustrated over a trick with silver silverware."
  • What the facts say: Since she reads us (I know you love to use what we publish to feed your imagination), she has now adapted the script to a "situationship" because we already exposed that during those same dates she was very cozy with Mike Benz. She is a narrative scavenger: she copies a little bit from here and another bit from there. Now it's no longer a romantic relationship as she used to claim; she already knows she has a tough time proving that in court. We know that her goal in claiming a romantic relationship was, of course, to collect money before the judge in court regarding the child. Since she hasn't been able to establish that, and since we have been able to establish that the relationship she actually had was with Mike Benz, now she says she had a situationship, you know, something that doesn't mean any kind of commitment, but at the same time, aims to allow her to say she had something good with Musk, no strings attached, one of those things that happens. It's kind of what Zilis said in her deposition, that she hasn't had any relationship with Musk either, and the same thing happens to her as to you: she wants to be associated with Musk because, like you, she won't stop repeating that he is the most powerful man in the world, the richest, oh, how incredible, perfect for people who, in general, are like magpies, drawn to anything shiny without caring about anything else.

But let’s look at the Real Schedule (Total Divergence):

  • June - August 2023: While Musk was in Europe or New York, Ashley was in Dallas or hitting bars in NYC with friends. Zero geographical coincidence.
  • September - October 2023: She was celebrating her "team anniversary" with Mike Benz (with very affectionate photos and romantic dinners). Meanwhile, Musk was at Starbase.
  • The St. Barts mystery (December 2023): She claims she conceived her child there between January 2 and 3, 2024. ADS-B flight logs completely destroy her: Elon arrived in St. Barts on December 31, but left early on January 2 because he had a court appointment in Austin against Grimes on January 3. Ashley doesn't appear in a single photo on the island, and Elon was photographed with other people.
  • The movie-like private jet: Musk's planes always travel with a full crew (pilots, flight attendants). That "we were completely alone drinking wine" line sounds like it was taken straight out of a cheap novel. In fact, the photo of the silverware she refers to is one we already analyzed, and it was from a public broadcast of a Starlink test—a tactic she has used in the past, trying to pass off public videos as her own intimate photos. But here she goes again, copying what happened at the dinner where Musk was in Washington and Zilis crashed the dinner where Musk ignored her and Karoline Levitt kicked her out. Furthermore, just as she said in the interview, according to ASC, Musk knows a lot of these tricks and always uses silver silverware. It's so stupid how many times she repeated the bit about the silver silverware that it makes you laugh; they can't be brass, stainless steel, etc., they just have to be silver. (Clearly, a man with hundreds of billions of dollars is going to risk having his plane confiscated for not having his grandmother's china on board. Tycoon priorities, I guess.)

However, when Brian Reed asks her about Musk's psychology, her answers become abstract and generic: “what he wanted me to know at various times,” “very different versions depending on the circumstances,” “he was very different before and after I got pregnant.” [We repeat, this girl started fabricating photos of herself as pregnant. Proving she was pregnant is as easy as showing an ultrasound, and we know she couldn't even get the gestational age right in court].

In other words, when asked for concrete details about the person she supposedly spoke with every day for nearly two years, she only offers vagueness. Speaking of versions, I think she’s talking about herself, because depending on the podcast she goes to, she tells a different story: one day it's an online relationship, another a romantic relationship, another sexual, another a situationship... I don't know, dear, get your story straight, because honestly...

Furthermore, she claims there are things “that sound crazy” about how Musk grew up and his relationship with his parents that prove he is “very broken in many ways,” but that she would never share them publicly because they are too personal.

This is especially striking because:

  • She has already publicly shared intimate details (texts about surrogates for a “legion of children before the apocalypse,” throwing tantrums like a toddler, silverware tricks on the plane, etc.). Which, as we have seen and analyzed, are messages that don't even carry the official Signal logo, or like the stuff about the elections. We are still waiting for ASC to show up in Congress with the evidence she has.
  • The story about Musk being “broken by his family and his parents” is one of the central themes of Walter Isaacson's biography. She has repeated several times in interviews that she has never read it (“I never read it. Still haven’t read it”). Yet, she repeats the book's narrative framework almost verbatim. (It must be a fascinating case of literary telepathy, or perhaps the book reached him by mistake in the form of an audiobook while he was sleeping.)

Conclusion The intimate relationship and daily messages are a house of cards in the wind. The evidence shows a single real photo at a work event, a mutual agreement for interactions on X to pump the algorithm (and her bank account), and a fantasy fed by public posts while she spent her time with other people. When they have been in the same city, each was with different people and in different places, and anyway, maybe in all her madness, she should stop bringing out fake evidence because it is super obvious that it's going to hurt her in any trial. Perhaps it's just because she doesn't have the brainpower for even that.

Later, I'm going to continue with the XAI thing because that's very surreal.

u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 2 months ago
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The fall of the big lie: The blackmail of Elon Musk, the farce of Shivon Zilis's pregnancies, and the sperm donors for her children exposed (Post-Trial)

With the OpenAI trial finally concluded, the media theater has collapsed. There is no longer a need to maintain the farce, neither for legal strategy nor for the confidentiality agreements (NDAs) forced with Musk. For those who have been investigating this case thoroughly, the pieces finally fit perfectly into a master plan of corporate betrayal and personal infiltration. Personally, I believe Zilis should have been sitting on the defendant's bench, but since Jared Birchall and she included her as a co-plaintiff without Musk knowing, it wasn't possible. Let's remember that Birchall has had powers to sign practically EVERYTHING on Musk's behalf. Shivon Zilis didn't just steal control of OpenAI; she executed one of the most calculated corporate blackmails of the last decade in Silicon Valley, using biological deception and financial extortion to try and seize Musk's empire. Well, we know Zilis has a stake in Orchid; she herself took care of leaking an article to the WSJ in 2025 about this company to let us know, and incidentally harm Musk. Zilis has access to IVF labs where eugenics tests are conducted, and all her children have been conceived through IVF and surrogacy. Labs that, incidentally, also hosted Ashley St Clair for the baby shower she had in November 2023 in Austin, Texas.

1. The myth of the "Relationship" and the true alliance in the shadows: Zilis and Jared Birchall The public narrative tried to force the idea of a romance between Zilis and Musk, but the upper echelon of OpenAI and the close circle knew it was statistically impossible. Zilis's true affective and operational dynamic was not with Musk, but with Jared Birchall, Elon's financial manager in Austin, Texas. That is, she was close to the one who controlled Musk's finances. She didn't need to be near Musk, but near Jared Birchall. While Zilis's written interactions with Musk were always serious, cold, and purely transactional, her emails and text messages with Birchall reveal a completely different reality: constant flirting, systematic adulation ("fawning"), and excessive confidence. Zilis didn't move to Texas for Elon Musk; she moved to Austin to be near Birchall (a man in his second marriage), with whom she shared day-to-day life while Musk split his time traveling the world. Birchall and Zilis are the ones who constantly live in Austin, Texas. Musk does not. It was a perfect alliance in muddy waters: Zilis provided the psychological manipulation, and Birchall placed authorized signature power at her disposal to divert funds, order children that were never Musk's, etc. "Oh, I love that," reads in their dynamics of complicity while they skimmed millions behind Elon's back. In fact, parentage data reveal that her son Strider is genetically Birchall's son, the reason why Zilis roundly refuses to perform public DNA tests on her four children: doing so would expose her game of having four different donor fathers (all executives in her environment). Actually, what is proposed so far is that Strider is Birchall's son, the girl is Ilya's, the third child, Seldon, is Greg Brockman's son, and for the fourth girl, Arcadia, the father would be Sam Altman. Altman is gay but fertile.

2. The farce of the pregnancies: Photographic evidence vs. Official Deposition It must be clarified that Shivon has the financial resources to raise the children in comfort with their nannies' support. She's on record as actively seeking donors. Zilis was never pregnant with any of her children. She used IVF labs in which she holds a stake (like Orchid) and surrogate mothers, a paid maternity scheme she learned after gaining the trust of Grimes (Claire). In her official deposition of the OpenAI case (September 7, 2025), Zilis declared under oath the birth dates of the minors. When crossing those data with her public photographic records, the physical truth is irrefutable:

  • The Twins (Born in November 2021): Zilis published a photo on July 18, 2021, swinging a sword. The birth was barely four months away. Her abdomen was completely flat, something biologically impossible in a multiple gestation of five months, and a physically negligent activity to have truly been pregnant. The name change pact published in the Business Insider rag in 2022 is not proof of paternity; it was just the purchase of a last name. Something that has also happened to Ashley St Clair, who has always been completely flat during the time she says she was pregnant with the child and in her erotomanic delusion also says her son was conceived naturally. Well, Zilis at the beginning also said she had been pregnant by Musk through IVF, saying she had had the twins inside her womb, when we really know that was never so, because there are photographic records.
  • Seldon (Born mid-2023 - June/July): On July 2, 2023, Zilis took a photo at her residence with Lex Fridman, Elon Musk, John Danaher, and Georges St. Pierre in a wrestling session. Weeks later, she published the image on X showing the same outfit, a smooth belly, and no postpartum sequelae or signs of full-term pregnancy. (The true biological donor is Greg Brockman).
  • Arcadia (Born February 28, 2024): In the images of November 18 and 30, 2023 (Cybertruck event in Austin), Zilis showed a figure that did not imply any type of pregnancy and a flat abdomen while holding the twins. Three months from giving birth, the real gestation was being carried by a surrogate. (The true donor is Sam Altman).

With the last two children, Zilis didn't even bother trying to look like she had been pregnant by anyone, because there was no problem; in that sense, for once, she didn't fake, why bother? But with the twins she did, because always envious of Grimes, she didn't want to "be less."

u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 1 month ago

Trial Evidence Summary: Shivon Zilis

As the saying goes, the more you try to hide the sun, the more you see it.

I found it very striking that during this trial, none of the parties involved have made much use of Zilis’s emails from 2017, at least not the important ones. It is truly curious, as this is theoretically where the case should be decided, given it is such a "high-stakes" trial. I’m going to try to uncover the mysterious reasons why everyone is choosing to ignore Zilis’s role in all of this; it is undoubtedly the "dirtiest" role of all and obviously very difficult to ignore for anyone who has been paying close attention to this process.

Anyone who is even slightly observant will realize that both sides tiptoe around 2017, when everything was brewing, and try to move on to 2018 and 2019 in matters involving Zilis.

It certainly seems that both sides are attacking each other through Zilis, trying to gauge where her loyalties truly lied, without actually revealing her true allegiance. I will attempt to clear up the mystery behind why both sides are handling this so cautiously.

Based on the trial sheets, here are the specific emails and messages related to Shivon Zilis that have been presented by each side:

Evidence Presented by Musk’s Attorneys (Plaintiff)

Musk’s legal team used these documents during direct examination to establish a timeline of communications:

  • Email from Shivon Zilis to Elon Musk (September 22, 2017): Identified as Exhibit PLF 159.
  • Email from Elon Musk to Shivon Zilis (April 23, 2018): Identified as Exhibit PLF 233.

Evidence Presented by OpenAI’s Attorneys (Defense)

OpenAI’s defense used a broader selection of messages during cross-examination, seeking to demonstrate Zilis's close involvement in business decisions:

  • Group Text Messages (September 13, 2017): A conversation between Elon Musk, Jared Birchall, Shivon Zilis, and Sam Altman (DEF 691).
  • Text Messages between Musk and Zilis (February 16, 2018): A direct conversation identified as DEF 761.
  • Email from Elon Musk to Shivon Zilis (April 23, 2018): OpenAI also submitted this email under its own numbering (DEF 806).
  • Email from Shivon Zilis to Elon Musk (July 5, 2018): Identified as DEF 819.
  • Email from Shivon Zilis to Elon Musk (March 8, 2019): Identified as DEF 862.

In summary: While Musk’s lawyers focused on 1 communication from 2017 and early 2018, OpenAI’s defense introduced additional messages extending through March 2019.

u/Nervous-Driver-4549 — 4 months ago