Could Robin Guthrie be considered one of the greatest guitarists ever based on how he revolutionized the way the guitar could be used?

I was never big on guitar solos and riffs and I never understood why (probably cause I'm a dude I should like solos) but ever since getting into CT in January they've became one of my favorite bands ever with Robin being my all time favorite guitarist. The sounds he would create gave me so many face melting reactions how he was able to make these synth sounding sounds and how he can create swirling textures with a guitar always blew me away His work with Cocteau Twins turned the guitar into something that could function almost like synths, pads and textures, and entire atmospheric soundscapes. His use of effects layering, processing, and unconventional playing had a huge influence on dream pop shoegaze and other atmospheric music.

What's especially interesting to me is that this wasn't limited to Cocteau Twins. His extensive solo work and collaborations show that he continued developing this approach to the guitar long after the band ended. A lot of his solo material demonstrates just how much he can build an entire sonic environment around the guitar without relying on conventional riffs or virtuosic solos. Great highlights from his solo work is turn together burn and Euphemia probably being my favorite is his solo work with Fortune being my favorite album by him. His work with Harold Budd is some of the most atmospheric stuff you'll ever hear.

Is he top 5? Eh probably not top 10? Maybe not that either but a top 20? Possibly. He deserves a place in some list. I feel like he doesnt get enough or any praise for his work especially when it comes to CT as Liz is mentioned more times than Robin. I mean theirs a lot of bands that copied his style to make his sound. Slowdive (just for a day sounds like its almost a CT album) Ride has mentioned Robin being an inspiration to their sound AR Kane Lush the list goes on a lil more. But yeah I love Robin and thankful for the sounds I got to experience and fall in love with textures and atmosphere. Any of you agree?

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u/No-Coleman — 11 days ago
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I want to like I Wrote You A Letter more.

Listened to the album a few times for a full feel of the album and I'm conflicted cause I think theirs genuinely good ideas on the album. I love that it goes back to his roots but Maybe it's too simple minded but it's just too much piano on the album. I was never mad and assumed this album would he instrumental as i love a lot of his instrumental work/albums id love to know his mind set for making a piano heavy album. Soldiers of lust should have been removed. But besides that some songs don't feel fully fleshed out and it seems like it was almost on purpose. Feeding time and losing ground are two great examples where's they have these Constant buildups than they desolve. It's like Anthony knows these songs should have explosive climaxes but no almost like once it's about to explode it gets cut off. They don't feel fully fleshed out. Feeding time is a great example in particular. Losing Ground did give me that transecendent surreal moment during the second half of the song tho. I could still really like those songs but they just don't feel satisfying.

With Anthony stating that "Blister Sunrise is almost acts like a trap where you're gonna be in this world where you're never going back to again" and I somewhat disagree instrumentally it represents the album especially with the finished pianos keys towards the end.

To people saying this is a love letter to dead cities. It is but not 100 percent. As this definitely feels more on the minimal side of Anthony's synth side. Once again hate to sound like a broken record but the over reliance on piano keys it's like he had two ideas one being a call back to his earlier work while also showing maturity? I think? Just feels like pianos and Synth heavy songs just clash kinda rather than mesh and mix and it feels like they live seperately instead of together when both instruments are playing. It feels more restrained like. I honestly could see Dead Cities fans being letdown isnt that sound through and through. Even though I do love how much soundscape is in the album and how atmospheric it is. Big plus in that regard. Always dig Anthony's soundscapes.

Opera I do think is a highlight as it just feels like these constant waves washing over you. Loved Heart Motion Foto as it was basically Anthony saying hello real quick giving us an update. LOVE the first minute of the song. Ethereal Anthony sounds super dreamy. Got a bit teary eyed on that one. Sirens is awesome almost should be it's own track. While behold beasts I want to like more I love the sax but it almost sounds a bit tedious. Aged I think is great thematically as it starts off with super fast glitchy synths but than switches to piano to show well how much he's aged. Works in that regard but still not that big into that song as I feel like not enough stuff is happening in the background while the piano plays. Maybe I'm being too simple minded but 🤷‍♂️

It does feel like Anthony is trying to talk to us with this album. He does state in an interview that the album has no meaning and it's just another m83 record that's suppose to be more spontaneous and less calculated which it certainly is but it just many songs on a 9 track listing album doesnt sound fleshed out which again I kinda feel like was on purpose. It's a bittersweetness I feel towards this album. I feel it's absence as much as I feel it's presence. I'm grateful for another m83 album. I like some stuff on here DEFINITELY not a bad album. It's harmless just leaves much to be desired. But I will say I'm glad they did get this one out of their system. The album gives me optimistic feelings for their future releases. I love the concept of the album but execution wasnt their all the way which I think was somewhat intentional. It's absolutely a sincere album which I love. A lot of elements and ideas I love that I feel like doesnt fully pay off. On positive note to end on it does feel like an album that while it is looking back but it also feels like it's looking forward as well. It gives me an optimistic feeling I suppose. What are your guys opinions? I would love to read other peoples opinions now that the albums been out for a few days. Lets starts a civil discussion.

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u/No-Coleman — 17 days ago
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Thoughts on Dead Cities after revisiting the album.

Figured Id revisit this album in preparation for the new album coming out in case it has similar sound. I'm new to the genre of shoegaze and dream pop and this year I decided to check out Cocteau Twins as it was one of Anthony's sources for his sound and they ended up being one of my all time favorite bands now. So because of how much I fell in love with Cocteau Twins this year back in January (started with the twins) I decided to listen to each pioneer of the shoegaze/dream pop genre each month. MBV Lush,Ride, slowdive, loveliescrushing AR Kane, Galaxie 500,Mazzy Star.etc

M83 I now realized was my gateway into the genres without knowing what they were at first when I discovered M83. Lots of bands I now love are stem from listening to his music.

First time I listened to this I didn't understand it nor did I care for it now even tho as j thought it was too noisy and didn't make sense and was confused. 'I still dont love this record but I absolutely totally see the appeal of this record now and see why it's important as it basically showed new ways to make electronic music that's super immersive with these big fat layered synth pads that are distorted but not so abrasive. (Unless you don't understand shoegaze) very warm pads as well almost super hot at times. Pulsating noises everywhere on some tracks (run into flowers just feels like you're being slung around left and right). Very cascading analog arpeggios layered synths and processing out the wazoo that seamless blends electronic music with shoegaze fuzzy distorted guitars (think theirs some amount of guitar) that help create the "wall of sound" the Cocteau Twins "wash" is definitely present on this album.

One thing that surprised me somewhat is that the signature m83 "crescendo" sound is actually present on the album somewhat. I knew gone had his sound but on songs like In Church and Noise and songs like on a lake really gives off a heavy cinematic feel that is also a trademark m83 sound. In Chruch you just feel these big fat warm synths growing and growing that intensifies that creates that "wall of sound" and has a floating transcendent feel. The drop on the song is awesome. Love Cyborg as it is something I easily could see played live. Lots of energy in that one and forward moving. Sick transitions on America (some of these songs have a slowdive roaring sound to them akin to 40 days and primal) and of course Gone is a masterpiece. A song that at it's core contains his trademark sound. Would be perfect for a terminator movie as that what my brain visualizes when I listen to the song now. Also must note that I love the pacing of the album as its very seamless while also snappy like songs don't overstay their welcome. Very forward moving album but in a good way. Beauties can die is a great end cap to the albums sound and ends the album nicely.

It's definitely an album that transports you into this apocalyptic world and is an experience all the way through these soundscapes create. Parts of why I love some shoegaze bands is how they're able to take these ugly sounds and turn them into some of the most beautiful most emotional and mind blowing experiences I've had with music along with dream pop of course as Beach House is also an amazing band I probably wouldn't have discovered if it was him along with others. Had to shout out dream pop even though this is a shoegaze record.

But after understanding what shoegaze was after getting into the genres yes I definitely like and appreciate this album and could see myself loving this as time goes on as it's so dense it is ear candy. And I see why it's labeled as an important album when it comes to "Nu-gaze" I think it's an awesome record that really impressed me this go around 2 years later. It's an essential record when you go through Anthony's discography. Even though I may prefer the more dream pop synth rush side of m83 his shoegaze side is pretty rad too. Would love to read what you guys think on the album as well.

u/No-Coleman — 26 days ago
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When everyone first heard the start of Blister Sunrise.

I honestly love the community on here and seeing everyone being excited for the album is awesome. This is my first time being apart of album drop for m83 as I became a huge fan 2 years ago (hes now my favorite artist that opened up my ears to other artists/bands I love)

Blister Sunrise is fantastic. I just love that the song itself is literally Anthony's sound. These epic bombastic crescendos all over the place. Super pumped for the album

u/No-Coleman — 1 month ago
▲ 150 r/m83

Details about the upcoming album.

Found this on consequences article on the single. Super interesting. Still feel like it could be an ambient album but with a shoegaze twist to it. Maybe I'm looking too deep into it.

u/No-Coleman — 1 month ago
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September 1st and still no single. Bet it'll be within the last 2 weeks till release.

Come on Anthonyyyyy give us an update lolol

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u/No-Coleman — 1 month ago

Question for someone who's new to the band. Whos responsible for the "shoegaze" effects?

I know Neil and Christian together help create the sounds but tryna decipher who is mostly responsible for it. Also what are some of better songs that showcase Christian?

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u/No-Coleman — 3 months ago
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What kind of sound/genre does I Wrote You A Letter cover give off?

Honestly looks and feels like it may be expansive which is a trademark of m83s sound but also gives me minimal vibes. Wbu?

u/No-Coleman — 3 months ago

Wish 40 days still had it's outro on the studio version.

The instrumental outro is honestly the best part of the song. Almost feels intentional that it was removed to make it less noisy but it's the best part. Wish someone could polish the outro up from the demo and stitch it to the studio version and upload it to YouTube. It's just a chaotic outro that's great.

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u/No-Coleman — 4 months ago

Could the copy of a copy meaning be interpreted for why there are other versions of it on YouTube?

I find that aspect of kanes lore for his version very interesting. Idk how you expand that in the second movie but I'm very intrigued. Just find that copy of a copy lore so fascinating in a way. Would kinda make sense as backrooms doesn't have official lore or canon and the backrooms that aren't kanes could easily be a copy of his version or kanes could be a copy of someone elses version.

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u/No-Coleman — 4 months ago
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What all do you need for sim settlements 2 to work on Xbox with the newest update?

I have workshop framework but I still get a pop up saying that it's invalid after I boot the game up and tell me it's not recommended to continue on that save so I have to disable it until I figure it out.

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u/No-Coleman — 5 months ago

What all do I need for sim settlements 2 to work on Xbox now with the big update?

Downloaded workshop framework and still would get an invalid pop up.

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u/No-Coleman — 5 months ago

Shine is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.

Anyone else agree? New to slowdive and wow they seem like a more dreamy side to shoegaze and I'm obsessed with this song. Rachaels vocals are so ethereal and the Cocteau twins "wash" is all over this song. Shimmers every where.

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u/No-Coleman — 5 months ago

Love how unapologetically dreamy Cecilia's Dream is.

I'm new to the band. I just got into the genre about 2 years ago but heavily analyzing it and going through the genere of dream pop/shoegaze. Think I'm more into the dream pop genres more so and Slowdive seems to be the more dreamy side of shoegaze (maybe I'm wrong) and mannnn Cecilia's Dream deserves a modern live performance on camera cause it's so good. And the lyrics make the instrumentals emotionally resonant so nicely. Seems like an underated track.

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u/No-Coleman — 5 months ago
▲ 21 r/Lush

Lush is featured in the video game Mixtape. Monochrome.

A game about music and memories was super cool to see this game have a lush song as tbh I kinda feel like they are forgotten in many ways so it was cool to see a developer bring their name back in the limelight in some form. Monochrome is a choice as I think sweetness and light would have fit better for riding a skate board in the game. Was a cool experience as I hoped maybe a shoegaze/dream pop band would be referenced since I just got into the genre a year ago. (Cocteau Twins is referenced as well)

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u/No-Coleman — 5 months ago
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First time. Going through lush and first half of split I wasn't sure about but the second half was getting me. Good than never never popped up and wow Listening to this song on shrooms I was amazed by the sounds this beast has. Emma Anderson is something else. Anyones first time reaction listening to this song?

u/No-Coleman — 6 months ago

Beautiful piece of work by the creator of dream pop. Robin also has great taste in album covers.

u/No-Coleman — 6 months ago