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The reason why I bring this up is because in Season 1 giyuu created an 11th form And in season 4 Sanemi demonstrated how wind breathing can work and function but Wind and water can take many forms like how water can take the form of a lake,River or an Ocean but so can wind it can take the form of mist, clouds or a tornado you could possibly make advanced styles with them like Tornado or Ocean but the same would also apply to Fire and stone

But what are your thoughts?

In my list I decided to do a remaster of a past opinion but I didn't explain in more detail so I will here

Ratings in categories

1-15

Now I will start with Draconus Lloyd sense he is the new one here now Draconus Lloyd or labeled as true form Lloyd is a form that can push Lloyds elemental powers and his stats to their limits and not only that but he is directly connected to life itself and can sense the weapon of Desolation a wepon that was draining the Whispering Woods but he also does scale to the weapon of Desolation as he can Sense it not to mention he was able to hold it for a short while but he did....you know. But again this form is a limit raiser as Lloyd finds this draining. now for the multiplier of the form its unfortunately not stated but in speed its his fastest form as he flew from the Whispering Woods to Imperium and from what I saw it most likely took him minutes and its further implied as Zanes own chopper is not as fast and got there after Lloyd was already there

Abilities it massively enhances his elemental powers, Gives him the ability of flight, he has claws as well

Not to mention Lloyd can access this form at will and can be controlled so the final verdict is this

Draconus Form: score: 37

Abilities: 6

Speed: 10

Usefulness: 15

Power: 6

Now for Conduit form this is a form that Lloyd can access when he was a Conduit for the source dragon of Energy this gives him a connection to the Source Dragons whos domain is stated to be just like the Grasslands that is stated to be infinite beyond the Ethereal Divide now in abilitys it is stated it heavily enhances elemental powers, Can fly how ever he is not as fast as Draconus Form, he can also have visions. Now for the multiplier senes he powered up a gate between 2 different realms and stopped the murge between all realms the multiplier is possibly at a low end 10,000x at a High end if you count these realms as infinite this would be 100,000,000x as he stopped the murge between all realms

Now for the draw backs he requires the dragon cores to access this conduit power and requires them to access it so its not that practical

Conduit Lloyd: final score: 26

Abilities: 4

Speed: 5

Usefulness: 2

Power: 15

Now for Oni Lloyd this form is when Lloyd fought the Crystal King in crystallized and his rage hit a tipping point now this form is based on Destruction as its based on the Oni the reason why this form is far more dangerous then Lloyds other forms is that not only does he have Oni physiology but Destruction is the opposite of Creation not only does it not get the user Tired but it grows the more it fights and at the end of the battle of the Crystal King ONI Lloyd would have been at the same power as USM Lloyd the biggest problem when he is in this form is that He is blinded by rage and 2 he has a chance of being lost in it however he can access this form at will with anger

ONI Lloyd final score: 34

Abilities: 8

Speed: 3

Usefulness 8

Power: 15

Now finally USM Lloyd this form is when Lloyd activated his prophecys potential in season 2 with the powers of The elements of Creation like fire, earth, lighting and ice not to mention this power give him access to all elemental powers as its also Tied to the multiversal concept called the balance of Ninjago.

Interms of abilitys USM has access to all Ninjago elemental powers except the Darkness of the Overlord and the Chaos powers from Thunderfang as they are secret forces. Not to mention he can fly, and use the other elements of Creation

Now interms of Speed he would have the speed elemental power that would make him faster if not a bit behind Draconus Lloyd interms of speed

In power this form was stated to be stronger then Draconus Form confirmed by Doc Wyatt on a blue sky post and interms of feats this version of Lloyd defeated a dragon form Overlord someone who wealed both the powers of Darkness and destruction as he possessed Garmadon.

Now for the draw backs this form doesn't drain Lloyd however this requires him to be at the temple of light and all 4 Ninja must give their elemental powers to him because this isn't a power he can access on his own

Now final score for USM Lloyd: 40

Abilitys: 15

Speed: 9

Usefulness: 1

Power: 15

Final bored

1st USM : 40

2nd Draconus: 35 speed advantage

3rd Oni: 34

4th Conduit 26

But what are your thoughts

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This is something that has been nagging at my head now for a while but what are your OCs story demon slayer community done worry about being judged this is a safe space.

If you are familiar with seven deadly sins grand cross then you know about the story of Ragnerock fate of the gods story I am thinking this story takes place before in the middle of ether....ummm......either ....Imperium wrath of the gods or....maybe....I don't know 🤷 its also said that everything is cannon accsept the collaborations....so maybe 7 catastrophes is also cannon..I don't know.

WARNING anime Spoilers ahead!!

in season 4 ending with all demon slayer dropping into the infinite castle this one demon went after Sanemi....and I must ask....why him out of all demon slayer you could have went for out of all Hashira matter of fact you chose the crash out.....why?

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Now I will start with Draconus Lloyd sense he is the easiest and to get him out the way

Now Draconus Lloyd would scale to the Whispering Woods as the master of life his connection-based elemental power, his awareness expands to sense the life force and energy across the broader Merged Lands not only that but can Sense the wepon of Desolation

Whispering Woods. As its tied to the CONCEPT life itself. according to the lore of LEGO Ninjago, the Whispering Wood is fundamentally tied to Life itself. It is said to be the mystical place where all mortal life originally sprang forth and serves as a sacred reservoir for Life energy across the realms.Because this vital energy is so deeply connected to the universe, ancient "Trees of Life" within the woods channel this force to keep all of the Realms of Creation functioning. The wood is guarded by the Arc Dragon of Life and requires protection from chosen warriors to ensure mortal life does not perish

The Interconnected Web: They symbolize the vital energy of nature, where life, memory, and death are continuously exchanged.

The Source of Lore: The whispers themselves represent the accumulated stories, wisdom, and secrets of nature and ancestors

Now the Wepon of Desolation was actually draining the Whispering Woods itself as its an entire realm being able to Drain an entire realm that embodys a Concept would mean that it would be a scale on a conceptual level as seen when all life in the murge realms was starting to wither

to do this to a realm that is also infinite ans tied to a concept as well would be in the 7D levels or High complex multiversal level as its tied to all life and it was said that yes if the Whispering Woods falls all the murge lands would fallow.

Draconus Lloyd =7D or High complex multiversal

Now for Ultimate spinjitzu master Lloyd

This is the form that Lloyd achieved in season 2 that made him a match to the Overlord the same Overlord who possessed Garmadon someone who had the Elemental Power of Destruction something Tied to the multiversal concept called the balance.

Now Lloyd in the USM state was not only able to take him On but defeat him this is important because Elemental Powers in Ninjago confirmed to be Abstract concepts Tied to Source Dragons who themselves embody abstract concepts and further evidence is

Abstract Nature: Because reality isn't a tangible substance you can touch with regular hands, any force that affects it operates on a meta-physical or conceptual level.

The Nature of MergeQuakes: A MergeQuake occurs because different realms are violently attempting to occupy the same physical and metaphysical space, tearing the reality of the unified realm apart.

The Elemental Counter: Because elemental powers are tied directly back to the Source Dragons' base concepts (like Motion, Flow, or Strength), channeling elemental energy acts as a localized injection of pure universal physics. It repairs the conceptual laws of reality, forcing the unstable dimensional boundaries to stitch back together.This is also why highly abstract concepts like Form (the idea of a self refusing to be static), Time, or Technology function perfectly alongside physical elements like Fire and Ice—they are all equally valid conceptual laws of the Ninjago universe

Darkness and Golden power are the strongest of them all putting them above the Abstract concepts like Time, Speed and Physical form Entities that exist above abstract concepts like time, speed, and physical form scale to Outerversal or 10D in scaling

USM Lloyd= 1A or Outerversal

And Finally...ONI Lloyd

Oni Lloyd is actually equal to Golden Ultra Dragon who defeated the Crystal King this is important because The Crystal King was going to destroy the multiversal concept called the balance this would be a Outerversal feat for the Crystal King

Outerversal / Transcendent (Tier 1-A):If "the balance" is an abstract, Platonic concept that exists entirely beyond space, time, and dimensional boundaries, and destroying it means erasing the fundamental framework of reality itself, the character qualifies for Outerversal scaling and yes...Ninjagos Multiversal concept called "the balance" would count as this.

Now you may say that Oni Lloyd didn't do much but in an alternative ending of Crystallized it was confirmed that yes Oni Lloyd would have Defeated the Crystal King and even in the show Garmadon says it would have worked. Not to mention Destruction is tied to the Balance its an elemental power that Oni Lloyd wealds.

So what are the scalings

Draconus Lloyd =7D or High complex multiversal

USM Lloyd = 1A or Outerversal defeated Overlord.

ONI Lloyd = 1A or Outerversal as he could have defeated the Crystal King

Now...I would say that USM Lloyd is Lloyd's strongest power as he not only wealds a power that is the strongest elemental power out there but is able to match The Overlord someone who is equal to the First Spinjitzu Master

ONI Lloyd is his second strongest as its Drived from the multiversal concept called the balance and Destruction and Creation are second strongest behind Golden power and Darkness

Unfortunately Draconus Lloyd is the 3rd strongest form while yes its tied to a Universal concept called life itself its not tied to a multiversal concept called the balance but still a Strong form in its own right

If your wondering why I didn't include Conduit Lloyd is because...its literally his new base form

not to mention I included writers statements as you all should and scaling of the cosmology and other things as you should do.

So I recently watched the sinister shin godzilla Stop motion by A YouTuber named EG_M in on of his stop-motion projects....and man...oh....man I am not going to lie.....these guys Shimo, Kong, Evo goji got their fades...Ran in part one Evolved godzilla got his ass handed to him on a silver platter, Kong got his leg broken Shimo got brutalized then it just went down hill from I will put the video link because.....dear god bro

https://youtu.be/8ZlwRev0_MM?si=yMZZK2yFth66oMFd

Now I think I have seen a bunch of Fan estimates of Thunderfang but they really didn't seem right as he is bigger in most senes so I will treat my hand at him firstly I will get his hight in a picture before I do a scaling estimate

So in this picture he is standing far above Lloyd obviously but in one however when he is in the valley this puts him at a show point of view at 77 meters from our eyes when zoomed out at least however the real size is shown when Erin tries to hit Thunderfangs to as its also stated that Legos in shows are human size and From hight Erin is around 5/9 feet and multiple by 77.....would put Thunderfang at 454 feet when seen however

however if I were to use the city of temple estate at 77 meters then Multiple by 2 I will get...154 meters

also if I used the 3.37= one meter then multiple by 77 I would get......259.49 meters

For reference monstervers Ghidorah is 142 meters and Monstervers godzilla is 120 meters yes....He towers over the both of them

Now I think its time I talk about the first spinjitzu Master

Now as we all know that he created the continent of Ninjago however however while everyone says he only created the continent and not the realm of Ninjago...Dragons rising actually kills this argument completely as it was confirmed by the Ninjago show that the first spinjitzu Master created 4 infinite expansive Realms as well and even more evidence is that the writer of the show confirms that the first spinjitzu Master created the realm of Imperium

That means at a low ball the first spinjitzu Master is already in the High universal to multiversal + at a low end but it gets crazier

Now And golden power was stated to be able to destroy all the realms of creation now this would put his already still in a low ball in the low complex multiversal scaling oh but wait there is more

It was even stated that Elemental Powers in Ninjago are abstract concepts themselves as they are tied to source dragons and this is shown in dragons rising with the ninja being able to close murge quakes that are cracks in reality

Physical Elements: Powers like Fire, Water, Ice, and Earth manifest as tangible physical matter, though their source remains ancestral and mystical.

Conceptual Interaction: Elements interact with abstract forces like the Balance, and masters can use raw conceptual focus to achieve a True Potential that transcends physical limitations

The Elemental Counter: Because elemental powers are tied directly back to the Source Dragons' base concepts (like Motion, Flow, or Strength), channeling elemental energy acts as a localized injection of pure universal physics. It repairs the conceptual laws of reality, forcing the unstable dimensional boundaries to stitch back together.This is also why highly abstract concepts like Form (the idea of a self refusing to be static), Time, or Technology function perfectly alongside physical elements like Fire and Ice—they are all equally valid conceptual laws of the Ninjago universe

Abstract and Conceptual Nature: Because they stem from primal forces of Creation and Destruction (tied to the Dragon and Oni heritage), the elements form the literal fabric of reality rather than just simple elemental tricks. Show runners like Chris "Doc" Wyatt and creator Tommy Andreasen have noted that these essences function as fundamental cosmic remainders and abstract forces rather than scientific periodic elements

Now what are these implications for the first spinjitzu Master

Well he would be able to create infinite expansive realms on an abstract level this jumps his scaling from high Universal to High complex multiversal As not only would he be creating Time space on a conceptual level but also even the the infinite expansive void itself on an Abstract level as well

But as for a feat it was stated that the Grasslands is the First Spinjitzu Masters personnel heven and it is something he created and it was stated that the Grasslands existence beyond the Ethereal Divide on an infinite degree this world put The first spinjitzu master into the Infinite 5D or high Hyperversal scaling but also

But also was confirmed that Golden power and the darkness are 2 of the strongest elemental powers in the Ninjago verse

And if all Elemental powers are abstract concepts then this puts them above the concepts of Time speed and Physical form

And this would even grant him outerversal levels of power and and the fact that he is a conduit to all 7 source dragons is actually absurd 😭

Now for speed at a young age the first spinjitzu Master was able to leave the first realm amd travel to Ninjago

This is just patently Immegerible speed....not only are these realms Infinite but have their own space times but you can even take this step further remember elemental powers being abstract concepts?

Well sense he existed before the concepts of Time and Speed were made that would argue him into the irrelevant speed category

Now for hax well he has all elemental powers on an abstract level except Water and Wind

He can destroy on a conceptual level

He can create on a conceptual level

Not to mention he has Destiny and Fate manipulation on a conceptual level which is Absurd.

He is also resilient and can heal an a conceptual level I could dead as list the abilities of all conceptual manipulation of all elements in another post alone

not to mention he is also a conduit because he appears before the seven Source Dragons giving him the ability to process the dragon cores that are made by Source Dragons

Not to mention there were scans that he could beat a source dragon under the right surcomsansus possibly if he had the dragon cores

So what is the final scaling board

Low ends Multiverse to low complex multiversal

Mid ends infinite 5D or high Hyperversal

High ends Outerversal to Outerversal+ it if you include the dragon cores

high outer if you take the statements of him and the Overlord being able to beat a source dragon

The first spinjitzu Master is god of Ninjago for a reason and even his name is spoken with respect probably why I say the first spinjitzu Master or god himself

Pick one carefully because you have to be smart about this. You can only pick the ones on this list

Godzilla in hell and lore Xol from Destiny 2 vs Animeverse who you all got?

This is a question but which one do you like out of these