u/Personal-Courage1149

At around the 16:40 to 17:44 mark of the video Gordon says MJ is into beastiality because he slept in the same bed as bubbles ( sound familiar? Paralleing his pedophile accusations)

Guilters tend to say this La Toya is the truthful one and that her family made her retract her statements over. They don't believe he made her say it and they don't believe he had a vendetta against him but I am looking at this and it definitely looks like he has a vendetta? Later in the video here says when you grow up you can choose to be straight or gay and MJ took that choice away from the kids (??????)

Other lies he told was that MJ hated being black and said being black was ugly ( there are many clips of MJ that refute this) and that Mj bleached his skin to be white ( again disproved)

LaToya looks so uncomfortable throughout the whole interview except when she starts talking about MJ and her art.

The only thing that is on the flip side is the story about him seeing a boy have sex with a dog is similar to the one Gavin said in his testimony.

Thoughts?

Sorry if this is incoherent. I am processing this as I go. ( I know this will piss some people off but I need to get it off my chest)

I spent most of my life thinking MJ was a pedophile. The biopic came out and the defenders came out in droves - that coupled with all the charismatic interviews and performances I found myself questioning again.

What snapped me out of it wasn't anything to do with the case or evidence really. There was always a justification for everything they found.

What snapped me out of it was reading the actual words the victims said.

I mean, we all *know* what they said, because the defenders find a way to use their words to try to prove it's a lie.

But when you read it from their mouths ( I read the transcripts in the mega thread) suddenly it's like.. holy shit. The *way* they talk about it is too ... accurate. If you survived something like this ( I have) there is no way you can deny it.

" he stopped after I told him to by the way "

"It felt good at the time so it didn't feel wrong"

You can tell the effects of the grooming are still there. There's still parts of them that want to defend him. You can actually feel them grappling with what happened. Which wouldn't make sense if they were lying because they would just say the negative things.

In terms of their memories being wrong .. MJ defenders are definitely people being pedantic. If you hear the way the victims talk its " I don't know, maybe this time frame? It's around thist time frame? I can't remember exactly" Mj defenders made it seem like they confidentally said the incorrect information?

Anyway, preaching to the choir, you guys all know this.

It was just so easy to believe the defenders when they had a rebuttal to everything and then add MJs charisma on top of it. ( especially in his bad era -which is when a bunch of abuse took place) it just feels like we are talking about completely different people. The face doesn't fit ( if that makes sense)

It feels like I was put in Michael hysteria. I still feel that way tbh but his guilt is definitely believable to me again.