Adults on Set Were Brats, But the Kids Are the Only Ones Who Get Demonized

I wish people gave the Dance Moms girls more grace when they call them “brats.” Maddie, Mackenzie, Brynn, Nia, Paige, Brooke, Chloe, Asia, Kendall, Peyton, and all the girls were kids roughly 6–13 years old under an insane amount of pressure.
People will call Brynn, Kendall, Peyton, or Maddie a brat, and I’m like… let them be brats. They were children.

The moms had big, bratty reactions. Abby had plenty of bratty moments that’s basically her whole personality that fans love to praise and call “iconic.”

And the producers were bratty too, constantly pushing boundaries and creating drama even when the moms said no.

The Bryan Stinson Paige, Maddie & Nia reunion birthday-party situation is a perfect example of him actively stirring things up and acting like a bratty male because he didn’t get he’s way which was access to the Zieglers, lol.

Everyone on that set was allowed to be dramatic and messy, but the kids are the ones who get their entire personalities judged for having normal kid reactions.
They weren’t perfect. They were kids. Wish people can give them the same grace and “ understanding “everyone gives the adults.

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 3 days ago

Failey fans and the public always complain about Jelena stans, but they’re just as delusional

I think Jelena fans are very delusional but also failey’s as well The way both sides cope is honestly fascinating. 😭 Jelena stans cope with Justin and Selena not being together by making weird AI edits of them as a couple in 2026. Meanwhile, Hailey stans cope by rewriting Justin and Selena’s entire history.

The difference is Hailey fans are supposedly celebrating because **“Hailey won,”**while simultaneously needing to convince themselves that Justin and Selena’s 8+ year relationship was fake, PR, meaningless, or completely one-sided on Selena’s end .Like… pick a narrative. 😭 If Justin and Selena were supposedly fake and PR, **what exactly did Hailey “win”?

And if Justin supposedly never cared about Selena and Hailey was always the great love that made him want marriage, why are they still obsessed with rewriting Selena’s role in his life?

At some point, the constant lies about Selena just make it seem like the marriage itself isn’t enough to make the fandom feel secure about how things started and where their marriage stands now, we know that marriage is a fail.

Either Hailey won, or Justin and Selena were fake. You can’t keep using both narratives whenever it’s convenient.

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 4 days ago

Failey fans and the public always complain about Jelena stans, but they’re just as delusional

I think Jelena fans are very delusional but also failey’s as well The way both sides cope is honestly fascinating. 😭 Jelena stans cope with Justin and Selena not being together by making weird AI edits of them as a couple in 2026. Meanwhile, Hailey stans cope by rewriting Justin and Selena’s entire history.

The difference is Hailey fans are supposedly celebrating because “Hailey won,” while simultaneously needing to convince themselves that Justin and Selena’s 8+ year relationship was fake, PR, meaningless, or completely one-sided on Selena’s end .Like… pick a narrative. 😭 If Justin and Selena were supposedly fake and PR, what exactly did Hailey “win”?

And if Justin supposedly never cared about Selena and Hailey was always the great love that made him want marriage, why are they still obsessed with rewriting Selena’s role in his life?

At some point, the constant lies about Selena just make it seem like the marriage itself isn’t enough to make the fandom feel secure about how things started and where their marriage stands now, we know that marriage is a fail.

Either Hailey won, or Justin and Selena were fake. You can’t keep using both narratives whenever it’s convenient.

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 4 days ago

If Justin wasn’t married to Hailey, I swear he’d be on the Chris Brown path 😭

I’m sorry but I genuinely feel like if Justin Bieber wasn’t married to Hailey, he would be on the same path as Chris Brown when it comes to his choice of partners. 😭

Chris has this very obvious fixation on Karrueche, and then you look at some of the women he’s had kids with or dated and the similarities are… interesting. He still seems drawn to women who resemble her.

Now imagine Justin unmarried and still stuck in that Selena era. 😭 I can absolutely see him having 2–3 baby mamas who all have a Selena-type look, copying Selena’s style/aesthetic, and constantly being drawn to women who remind him of her.
And the fact that Justin basically worships Chris Brown makes the comparison even crazier to me. Like, I could genuinely see him picking up some of those same patterns.

Justin would be publicly liking Selena’s posts — stating there’s no actual beef or drama between them two, I know for a fact Justin would repost things and leave certain comments that include Selena, and I was thinking it would be very similar to how Chris continues to publicly interact with Karrueche.

Honestly, I feel like the marriage might of unintentionally saved Justin from becoming a whole different kind of mess. 💀

Ps if you’re messy and like drama, please look into how obsessive Chris Brown is over Karreuche Tran/ Ammikkaa Harris drama it reminds me so much of Selena and Hailey lol

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 10 days ago

If Justin wasn’t married to Hailey, I swear he’d be on the Chris Brown path 😭

I’m sorry but I genuinely feel like if Justin Bieber wasn’t married to Hailey, he would be on the same path as Chris Brown when it comes to his choice of partners. 😭

Chris has this very obvious fixation on Karrueche, and then you look at some of the women he’s had kids with or dated and the similarities are… interesting. He still seems drawn to women who resemble her.

Now imagine Justin unmarried and still stuck in that Selena era. 😭 I can absolutely see him having 2–3 baby mamas who all have a Selena-type look, copying Selena’s style/aesthetic, and constantly being drawn to women who remind him of her.
And the fact that Justin basically worships Chris Brown makes the comparison even crazier to me. Like, I could genuinely see him picking up some of those same patterns.

Justin would be publicly liking Selena’s posts — stating there’s no actual beef or drama between them two, I know for a fact Justin would repost things and leave certain comments that include Selena, and I was thinking it would be very similar to how Chris continues to publicly interact with Karrueche.

Honestly, I feel like the marriage might of unintentionally saved Justin from becoming a whole different kind of mess. 💀

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 10 days ago

They should be glad Wendy Williams doesn’t have a show anymore

The Biebers are actually so lucky Wendy Williams doesn’t have a show anymore because whewww 😭 She would’ve CHEWED Hailey and Justin up.
Wendy had insider knowledge and knew how to connect the dots in a way these YouTube gossip channels simply cannot.

The whole Jelena picture situation with Justin earlier this year in January would’ve been an AMAZING topic for her 😭

And honestly, now we’re left with YouTube gossipers who somehow always end up on somebody’s payroll or suddenly get real quiet when they’re covering certain people. I miss the days when celebrity gossip felt like somebody was actually willing to ask the uncomfortable questions. Wendy would’ve had a FIELD DAY with all of this.

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 10 days ago

They should be glad Wendy Williams doesn’t have a show anymore

The Biebers are actually so lucky Wendy Williams doesn’t have a show anymore because whewww 😭 She would’ve CHEWED Hailey and Justin up.
Wendy had insider knowledge and knew how to connect the dots in a way these YouTube gossip channels simply cannot.

The whole Jelena picture situation with Justin earlier this year in January would’ve been an AMAZING topic for her. I can already hear the Hot Topics intro 😭

And honestly, now we’re left with YouTube gossipers who somehow always end up on somebody’s payroll or suddenly get real quiet when they’re covering certain people. I miss the days when celebrity gossip felt like somebody was actually willing to ask the uncomfortable questions. Wendy would’ve had a FIELD DAY with all of this.

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 10 days ago

Rhodents are so hypocritical and can’t even keep their story straight

For the past few years, whenever Selena’s fans pointed out Hailey’s alleged stalking, copying, shady behavior, or the drama surrounding her and Selena, Rhodents insisted that all of it was fake, made up, or just “Selena fans being obsessed and lying .”

But now the narrative seems to have completely changed. Suddenly, they’re saying Hailey has every right to act that way because Selena supposedly bullied her, or because Selena allegedly does similar things to other people, or because Selena “steals other people’s men.”

So which is it?

If all those accusations against Hailey were completely false, then why are people now defending the same behavior by saying she has a reason to do it?

Is Hailey actually innocent of the behavior you spent years saying never happened, or are you now admitting that some of it did happen but justifying it because you believe Selena deserved it?

You can’t have it both ways rhodents

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 20 days ago

Abby’s relationship with the Zieglers was conditional

People always point out that Abby Lee Miller rarely talks about Maddie and Mackenzie the way she talks about Brooke and Paige. I think the reason is simple: her relationship with the Zieglers was more transactional and conditional, while her relationship with Kelly, Brooke, and Paige was much more personal.

I’m not saying Abby never cared about Maddie or Mackenzie I think she did, especially early on. But the relationships weren’t the same.
With Brooke and Paige, Abby had years of history with Kelly before Dance Moms. There was genuine emotional investment, which is why their fallout seemed so personal.

The Zieglers were different. As Maddie’s career took off around Season 4, she became valuable to Abby not just as a dancer, but as someone who could help elevate Abby’s own career. Maddie’s talent absolutely mattered, but so did Melissa’s relationship with Abby and Maddie’s growing success.

People also confuse favoritism with unconditional love. Abby could care about Maddie while still having a relationship that was largely conditional. Those things can coexist.

To me, Brooke and Paige represented years of emotional investment. The Zieglers represented a relationship tied more closely to loyalty, success, and mutual benefit. Once Maddie outgrew Dance Moms, that became even more obvious.
So no, I don’t think Abby never cared about Maddie. I just don’t think her relationship with the Zieglers was as unconditional as many fans believe, and I don’t think Maddie’s favoritism was based on talent or love alone. It was a complicated relationship, and in my opinion, much of it was transactional.

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 24 days ago

Please read I know it’s so long sorry ( officially leaving the aesthetics field)

I graduated in March 2025. I still think it’s one of the best esthetics schools, especially for advanced and medical aesthetics, and I don’t regret going there at all. Like a lot of students, I graduated believing that if I worked hard enough, someone would eventually give me a chance.

That never happened.

Right after graduating, my first opportunity was at a med spa where I trained for about a week. I helped around the office, learned services, did laundry, and tried to prove myself, but they decided not to hire me before I ever had the chance to show what I could do.

After that, I accepted a 1099 contractor position at another med spa. I helped prepare for the grand opening, painted, brainstormed marketing ideas, worked the front desk, assisted with insurance paperwork, and performed laser treatments, microneedling with PRP, and body contouring. The owner and manager were kind, but the 1099 setup wasn’t financially sustainable, so I eventually left.
I kept applying everywhere not just esthetician jobs, but front desk, spa coordinator, sales, and consultation roles anything that could get my foot in the door.

I applied to well over 100 jobs and went on countless interviews. Some went okay, some went great, but none turned into an offer. Around March/April 2026, almost a year after graduating, my own school posted an entry-level front desk/sales position. I had two great interviews, my instructors remembered me because we stayed in touch, and multiple people at the school were telling me I should get the job since they often hired graduates students for those positions like nepotism . I walked out genuinely thinking, “Maybe this is finally it.”Then I got the rejection email.

They wanted someone with “more experience.” One of the other employees who worked there and graduated with me only a day apart from me she clocked out even she told me she was surprised I wasn’t hired because she thought I was a sure pick, though she said the decision was ultimately up to HR.

That one really hurt because I had spent the last year trying to get experience, but nobody seemed willing to let me gain it.

Recently, the same med spa where I worked as a 1099 contractor became an employee-based med spa. I applied again, thinking my previous experience there would finally count for something. Instead, I was told they wanted to give someone else an opportunity since I was already there before !

That was the moment I realized I had been chasing a door that just wasn’t opening for me.
I know I wasn’t a perfect candidate. My portfolio could have been stronger, and interviewing wasn’t always my strongest skill. But after almost two years of applying, networking, interviewing, and trying to build experience, I was exhausted.

As a dark-skinned Black woman, I also rarely saw anyone who looked like me in medical aesthetics. I can’t say race was the reason I wasn’t hired, but I can say it made the journey feel even more isolating in an industry that already feels incredibly competitive for the everyday American white girl who fits they’re image of the Medspa “look”.

So, I’m officially stepping away from aesthetics in 2026.

I’ll still keep my esthetics license active because I worked hard for it, and I love skincare. But career-wise, I’m moving into insurance and studying for my licensing exam.

This post isn’t meant to discourage anyone from pursuing esthetics. Plenty of people build amazing careers in this field. It just wasn’t my story.
Sometimes working hard isn’t enough. Sometimes the opportunity you’re waiting for never comes. After almost two years of trying, I’ve finally made peace with moving on.

Thanks for reading sorry for the rant !

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 1 month ago

I really hope Ricky isn’t actually attracted to her

I really hope he’s trying reminisce on
what she looked like a few years ago when he sees her or something , or maybe he’s genuinely trying to help her get better. I don’t know. I just hope he isn’t attracted to how she looks now, because she looks so frail and lifeless. Her energy also seems very childlike, which I find really disturbing. If he’s actually attracted to that, it’s honestly concerning. I know it’s hard to be attracted to Skeletoniana rn

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 1 month ago

My God can rhode just go away!??

Only hear bad things about it, packaging looks like products from 5 below and dollar tree, funny enough 5 below has dupes lol, but I feel like every month it’s been something since 2022 at this point the brand is her way of being in competition with rare and to stay relevant

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 1 month ago

TW: any weight past 2012 has been severely unhealthy

I don’t understand how her “fans “ or anyone else always use the excuse “ she’s always been this skinny “ like OMG doesn’t mean she was healthy it cracks me up every time I see it on TikTok and her fans defend her 13+ year long ED so frustrating there was a time 11 year old me wanted to be as thin as her after watching her into you MV looking back Jesus Christ she was still at a very unhealthy weight

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 1 month ago

I don’t understand why people always say to not like the Kardashians is misogynistic

I heard this a lot, especially when Timothée and Kylie started dating. Yes, a lot of it had to do with misogyny, but I think most of his fandom was really just shocked he would date someone with a family that is so problematic so messy so trashy so evil I don’t think all of it had to do with misogyny Some of it was i guess.

But as as a black woman, I don’t think I have to like the Jenners or Kardashians because they’ve done stuff that has been really offensive to black women and women as a whole so I don’t agree with the whole notion that not liking the Kardashians is misogynistic, but that’s my opinion. What do you guys think?

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 1 month ago

Does anyone know where Christie and Kelly are gonna go after this BTTB podcast ?

Since I think they’re halfway through season 5 and season 6 is coming up I was wondering Are they They’re just gonna just do something similar to pillow talk and react to dance mom’s new era or they’re gonna leave this dance mom’s thing alone? I think they might react to season 8 but I’m not sure.

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 1 month ago

Everything about her is so mediocre

I really don’t understand why she gets so much hype when the things she does is so mediocre from her fashion to rhode everything is mediocre even her “career “ she had before rhode and marrying Justin in her 2013/17 era was mediocre!!!!! She’s worse than Kendall Jenner or any Jenner/Kardashian Family member even they have a way to be somewhat more iconic it’s so annoying failey gets Away with being boring, I mean, I guess you can say she made the whole clean girl aesthetic, but she really didn’t because black and brown woman invented that aesthetic so she is just mediocre not iconic for anything

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u/Powerful_Skin542 — 1 month ago

Her rhodent fans are just as disgusting as her!

Seen this and thought it was the most disgusting thing I ever seen and I’m not blocking the girls’s username out

u/Powerful_Skin542 — 2 months ago