u/Present-Chocolate591

Is it worth to path top to bully them and make them weaker? Or should I just assume they will become beasts lategame and try to snowball bot so they carry?

It does makes sense to me to path top and abuse their weak early. But from my experience playing toplane it seems like most junglers still ignore toplane even if one of the teams picked an hyperscalers.

I used to permaban Yorick from my Darius days, and just kept doing it out of principle even after becoming a Singed main.

A week ago I started banning Gangplank after seeing the winrate vs Yorick is very favourable for Singed, but I just now had my first game vs him and it seemed unplayable. I won because enemy botlane inted and my jungler came level 4, but it felt completely helpless.

I tried to duel him early levels but he was winning the trades, and after 6 I could only farm under tower.

What is the catch? How does Singed have such a good winrate vs Yorick? Is this a Heimerdinger kind of deal where I just farm under tower and outscale for teamfights?

Every other game on red side they refuse to give me last pick. When it's midlane or support that keeps it, I can sort of understand it. But ADC or jungler? Seems troll to me.

Am I being a selfish bastard or is there something I'm missing? Feels to me like no possible counterpick in ADC or Jungle that ould outweight the toplane matchups.

New Kled player, just went against the dog and tried to beat his ass from level 1. But the trades were kinda even?

Am I supposed to start W or what is the deal? I see posts from past years that say I should try to bully him before 6 but I was tickling him in the early levels.

I was playing vs him in toplane just now. Was 3-0 over him, denying him stacks. Literally killed him in between towers when he was coming to lane.

Suddenly my jungler and mid inted a fight in enemy jungle and he got a couple shutdowns which gave him gold for triforce.

He came to lane and killed me at level 8 to my level 11.

From then on he was an inmortal killing machine and carried the game for the team.

If I proxy and roam he stacks and kills everyone, If I bully him and deny him stacks apparently it doesn't matter either.

That was the straw that broke the camels back for me, permaban from now on. I doubt the lifesteal nerfs will be enough for me not to.

From my experience, the edgy/handsome characters almost always have an absolute idiot piloting the wheel, even if they are winning they will be toxic and have the worst mental. I'm thinking it's because they are mainly played by teenagers.

I'm thinking Ekko, Viego, Kayn, Yone, Yasuo and fuckboys like these.

What other champs or champ archetypes attract toxic champs in your experience?

I'm not here to flame you guys, I'm legit asking.

I play around gold/plat and almost every Garen I face plays like they are Kayle, farming under tower, then when they get R they do their combo, play scared waiting for R to be up again, repeat.

I like him being a simple champ that can focus on macro so I was thinking about giving him a try. But I'm not very interested in this bush camping, one-shot hit and run style of playing.

Are they playing the champ correctly or are these just low elo shenanigans?

Also if I could get recommended some good Garen youtubers to watch that'd be a nice plus.

At least they are trying to bash your head in and play the game. On the other hand Nasus and Garen both play like absolute pussies early, running away for free thanks to Wither and Decisive strike while sustaining with their passives. And then when they have their ultimate + a couple items they use the same ability that allowed them to escape to run you down and smack your ass.

Kayle, Gwen and other scaling champions feel way more honest. They make a mistake early and they are cooked. But these two motherfuckers scale like demons while being able to get out of sticky situations at the press of a button.

I have a positive winrate vs the character but I can't make myself play against this mf ever again.

Yesterday I was playing vs him and it was almost like a revelation. It was minute 14 of the game and I had spent the whole time farming under my tower, when it suddenly came to me "What the fuck am I doing?".

I'm playing a videogame and having a miserable time. Why am I wasting my time like this? Because I want to win the match? I knew what I was up to when I saw Heimerdinger on the select screen and still went through. Does this mean I'm addicted? Do I just play for the sake of playing?

Next time I see him I will dodge, take the penalty and move on. Life is too short to play against Heimerdinger.

I've been playing both mid and top. After a while, I was having so much fun Mid, and I was raging and losing my mind anytime I played Top.

I thought I would have a much better winrate Mid, but no, I'm winning more in Top than I do Mid.

Heimerdinger, Illaoi, Yorick, ranged tops... They might not be broken or have insane winrates, but they make the game miserable for the lane opponent. I'd rather not play the game if I have to play vs these champs.

I'm only queuing Midlane and Jungle from now on. Fuck this role.

I'm around g*ld and I swear to God this game has the most uncreative players I've seen in any game.

They see Singed mid, assume I'm trolling and will not play the game with me.

I will sometimes try to gank bot level 3, literally get behind the ADC/Support and end up having to go back to lane because my botlane is ignoring my gank.

I will fight enemy jungler on their blue/red, make them waste 10/15 seconds, and I get spam pinged with "?" like I'm doing some ridiculous shit (I just got our jungler extra time for double crab you are welcome).

I guess on their minds I am trying to grief the game so they don't entertain my plays, but holy fuck I feel like any time the jungler/botlane plays with me we absolutely dominate the map.

I started playing 4 months ago, my previous games are chess, AoE2... all 1vs1 games were I have full control of the outcome. If I play better than my opponent, I win, no ifs or buts.

I started playing Leage looking for a team based game, knowing full well my input every game would go from 50% to 10%, so I will have a lot less control over the games outcome.

I get into the community/Youtube, and the whole discussion is about how to 1vs9 games, what to do when teammates are inting, disable chat, oh my god my botlane is dying, blablabla...

Not only is it an absolute braindead discussion (everyone seems to have the worst luck and always get inting teammates, which is obviuously not the case if you have more than 2 neurons) but there is such paranoia and negativity towards teammates even before game starts.

I choose to belive my teammates are cool people and will do good, and if they don't they are just having a bad game, just like I do sometimes.

I will leave chat open, I will play with my teammates and I will treat this as an enjoyable team based game, not a game where my goal is to 1vs9 and win by myself because I preassume my teammates are stupid.

I know this is a bit of a nothingburger but just wanted to express how I felt about the community after being 4 months fresh into it.