Pakistanis and our obsession of shoving religion everywhere, even into sports!

A couple of days back, I read a post saying:
I am supporting Muslim teams in this FIFA WC and pray for them to win!!

Now it may look like a pretty harmless statement but it is way deeper than it sounds. What has religion to do with sports at all?

In the aftermaths of 2021 WC win over India, Sheikh Rasheed tweeted:
Saari ummat e muslima ko hindustan kay khilaf jeet mubarak ho!!

Again, it doesn't seem to be problematic, but iska matlab yay hua kay whenever we lose to India, ummat e muslimah gets defeated by hindus?

Football dekhty hon ya na dekhty hon, Mo Salah kay peechay lag gye kay he deserves Ballon d'Or. Mtlb sab merit, sab justice, sab critical thinking gayi bhaar men bass Mo Salah kay tends chala do q kay wo Muslim hay.

Phir jee Ronaldo nay bismillah parh lee penalty sy pehly toh usko sarr parr charha lia. Bhai how is this a valid criteria to judge someone as a player?

Messi q kay Israel visit kar aya toh usko troll krty rhengy.

Even as decorated a sportsman as Waqar Younas said, Rizwan ko hindus kay darmean namaz parhta dekh kar iman taza hgya!!

This is a a very deep rot in our thinking and critical ability. Idk how to explain it even.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 21 hours ago
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Pakistanis and our obsession of shoving religion everywhere, even into sports!

A couple of days back, I read a post saying:
I am supporting Muslim teams in this FIFA WC and pray for them to win!!

Now it may look like a pretty harmless statement but it is way deeper than it sounds. What has religion to do with sports at all?

In the aftermaths of 2021 WC win over India, Sheikh Rasheed tweeted:
Saari ummat e muslima ko hindustan kay khilaf jeet mubarak ho!!

Again, it doesn't seem to be problematic, but iska matlab yay hua kay whenever we lose to India, ummat e muslimah gets defeated by hindus?

Football dekhty hon ya na dekhty hon, Mo Salah kay peechay lag gye kay he deserves Ballon d'Or. Mtlb sab merit, sab justice, sab critical thinking gayi bhaar men bass Mo Salah kay tends chala do q kay wo Muslim hay.

Phir jee Ronaldo nay bismillah parh lee penalty sy pehly toh usko sarr parr charha lia. Bhai how is this a valid criteria to judge someone as a player?

Messi q kay Israel visit kar aya toh usko troll krty rhengy.

Even as decorated a sportsman as Waqar Younas said, Rizwan ko hindus kay darmean namaz parhta dekh kar iman taza hgya!!

This is a a very deep rot in our thinking and critical ability. Idk how to explain it even.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 21 hours ago

Pakistanis and our obsession of shoving religion everywhere, even into sports!

A couple of days back, I read a post saying:
I am supporting Muslim teams in this FIFA WC and pray for them to win!!

Now it may look like a pretty harmless statement but it is way deeper than it sounds. What has religion to do with sports at all?

In the aftermaths of 2021 WC win over India, Sheikh Rasheed tweeted:
Saari ummat e muslima ko hindustan kay khilaf jeet mubarak ho!!

Again, it doesn't seem to be problematic, but iska matlab yay hua kay whenever we lose to India, ummat e muslimah gets defeated by hindus?

Football dekhty hon ya na dekhty hon, Mo Salah kay peechay lag gye kay he deserves Ballon d'Or. Mtlb sab merit, sab justice, sab critical thinking gayi bhaar men bass Mo Salah kay tends chala do q kay wo Muslim hay.

Phir jee Ronaldo nay bismillah parh lee penalty sy pehly toh usko sarr parr charha lia. Bhai how is this a valid criteria to judge someone as a player?

Messi q kay Israel visit kar aya toh usko troll krty rhengy.

Even as decorated a sportsman as Waqar Younas said, Rizwan ko hindus kay darmean namaz parhta dekh kar iman taza hgya!!

This is a very deep rot in our thinking and critical ability. Idk how to explain it even.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 21 hours ago
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What are some best spots, bars, or clubs to watch the FIFA WC high intensity games in Bali?

I know the timings of FIFA WC are really off in Bali this time, but are there any good suggestions to watch the high intensity games?

Maybe some screenings, clubs, or bars?

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 26 days ago

Di mana saya bisa menonton Piala Dunia FIFA secara online di laptop saya?

Halo semuanya, saya dari Pakistan dan sedang berada di Bali untuk sementara waktu.

Saya sangat tertarik menonton Piala Dunia FIFA secara online, tetapi saya tidak tahu di mana harus menontonnya.

Saya memiliki kartu SIM Telkomsel dan mereka bermitra dengan Maxstream Live, apakah itu pilihan yang bagus? Tapi saya juga tidak tahu cara berlangganannya.

Mohon bantuannya.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 26 days ago

So after Balochis, KPK, Muhajirs, Hazara people, now Kashmiris are also terrorists?

There's this great saying:

If touching every part of the body hurts, maybe it is the finger that is rotten.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 28 days ago

So after Balochis, KPK, Muhajirs, Hazara people, now Kashmiris are also terrorists?

There's this great saying:

If touching every part of the body hurts, maybe it is the finger that is rotten.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 28 days ago

So after Balochis, KPK, Muhajirs, Hazara people, now Kashmiris are also terrorists?

There's this great saying:

>If touching every part of the body hurts, maybe it is the finger that is rotten.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 28 days ago

Hm sabhi becharay hayn, sabhi zehni mareez hayn.

Jahan dekho wahan say dardnaak khabar arhi hay. Kahin kisi nay doctor per acid phenk dia, kisi nay apni biwi ko qatal kardia, kisi nay apny hi bachay maar diye, kisi nay apnay waliden qatal kardiye, phir kabhi road rage situations men gun nikal lee, kabhi paise kay nashay men nokrani ko maar diya, kabhi tanker kay neechat akar bacha mar gya, kabhi kisi daku nay banda maar dia, kabhi apni kaam wali ka rape krdia!!!

Unfortunately, we have become so insensitive kay hmen yay news ab uss trah dukhi bhi nai krti. We just read the news and move on. It has become an everyday thing for us. 

Lekin phir akkkar aur proud aesa hay kay magrhib ki tehzeeb men keeray nikalengy. Aukat apni nai dekhengy, dusron ka mazak uarraengy. Dusron ko human rights per tableegh krengy. Haal yay hay kay apnay mulk men maan, beti, bachay, waliden, women, minorities, ghareeb, kaam walian, kuch bhi safe nai hay. Lekin akkar puri hay hm men.

We are a bunch of animals, almost all of us are zehni mareez at some level. Munh utha kar Falak Shabbir ko kisi din chotay kapron per giyan dena yaad ajaega, yay bhul kar kay khud tu kis qism kay ganay shoot krta raha hay. Bsss har kisi ko dusre ko tableegh krni hay. Aurat kay kapray iss mulk ka sab sy bara masla hay, and not the news that we hear everyday.

Bht hansengy bharat men hny wali chizon pe. Kay dekho unka kese mazak banta hay sari dunya men. Bhai jakr dekhlo unka kitany countries men visa free entry hay. Phir hansengy kay wo bht ghareeb hay, jese yahan hamaray saray Ambanis bethy hyn. You can see their huge families, not too rich, just normal people, visiting Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Bali very frequently. Hmaray yahan middle class families soch bhi sakti hayn international trip?

Apni aukaat nai dekhni bss, har kisi per hansa hay, har kisi ka mazak banana hay. 

Khud hm ek kooray kay dabbay men rehty hyn. Lekin sab par unglian. Karachi hmara huge city hay, lekin koi video dekhlo Karachi ki, war torn lagta hay. Maybe sirf Lahore thora saaf suthra hay, lekin even it is not comparable to any good city in the world, and I am not even talking about 1st world. Jaa kar dekho Kualalumpur, Bangkok, Jakarta, etc. Yay toh koi bht baray countries bhi nai hyn, lekin ankhen khuli reh jaengi.

Phir uskay baad hmen bharat men democracy, freedom of press, religious extremism in sab ko lekr bara concern rehta hay. Bhai pehly apnay haan toh free and fair elections krwalo. Pehly apnay yahan toh democracy chala lo. Pehly apnay yahan toh religious extremism khatam krlo. Hmari puri press establishment k kuttay banay huye hyn 70 saaal sy, lekin masla hmen bharat men hny wali chizon sy hay.

Phir yahan har koi mazhabi junooni bhi hay. Bhai at least be honest to yourselves. Jab hm sabhi ganday log hayn toh at least religion ka naam lena bnd krden. Apnay sath sath apnay mazhab ka mazak bhi banwaya hua.

Koi aukat nai hay hmari, dunya hm per thookti bhi nai hay, lekin apnay aap men hm world leaders hayn.

P.S. Waiting to be called an agent from the neighboring country.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 29 days ago

Hm sabhi becharay hayn, sabhi zehni mareez hayn.

Jahan dekho wahan say dardnaak khabar arhi hay. Kahin kisi nay doctor per acid phenk dia, kisi nay apni biwi ko qatal kardia, kisi nay apny hi bachay maar diye, kisi nay apnay waliden qatal kardiye, phir kabhi road rage situations men gun nikal lee, kabhi paise kay nashay men nokrani ko maar diya, kabhi tanker kay neechat akar bacha mar gya, kabhi kisi daku nay banda maar dia, kabhi apni kaam wali ka rape krdia!!!

Unfortunately, we have become so insensitive kay hmen yay news ab uss trah dukhi bhi nai krti. We just read the news and move on. It has become an everyday thing for us. 

Lekin phir akkkar aur proud aesa hay kay magrhib ki tehzeeb men keeray nikalengy. Aukat apni nai dekhengy, dusron ka mazak uarraengy. Dusron ko human rights per tableegh krengy. Haal yay hay kay apnay mulk men maan, beti, bachay, waliden, women, minorities, ghareeb, kaam walian, kuch bhi safe nai hay. Lekin akkar puri hay hm men.

We are a bunch of animals, almost all of us are zehni mareez at some level. Munh utha kar Falak Shabbir ko kisi din chotay kapron per giyan dena yaad ajaega, yay bhul kar kay khud tu kis qism kay ganay shoot krta raha hay. Bsss har kisi ko dusre ko tableegh krni hay. Aurat kay kapray iss mulk ka sab sy bara masla hay, and not the news that we hear everyday.

Bht hansengy bharat men hny wali chizon pe. Kay dekho unka kese mazak banta hay sari dunya men. Bhai jakr dekhlo unka kitany countries men visa free entry hay. Phir hansengy kay wo bht ghareeb hay, jese yahan hamaray saray Ambanis bethy hyn. You can see their huge families, not too rich, just normal people, visiting Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Bali very frequently. Hmaray yahan middle class families soch bhi sakti hayn international trip?

Apni aukaat nai dekhni bss, har kisi per hansa hay, har kisi ka mazak banana hay. 

Khud hm ek kooray kay dabbay men rehty hyn. Lekin sab par unglian. Karachi hmara huge city hay, lekin koi video dekhlo Karachi ki, war torn lagta hay. Maybe sirf Lahore thora saaf suthra hay, lekin even it is not comparable to any good city in the world, and I am not even talking about 1st world. Jaa kar dekho Kualalumpur, Bangkok, Jakarta, etc. Yay toh koi bht baray countries bhi nai hyn, lekin ankhen khuli reh jaengi.

Phir uskay baad hmen bharat men democracy, freedom of press, religious extremism in sab ko lekr bara concern rehta hay. Bhai pehly apnay haan toh free and fair elections krwalo. Pehly apnay yahan toh democracy chala lo. Pehly apnay yahan toh religious extremism khatam krlo. Hmari puri press establishment k kuttay banay huye hyn 70 saaal sy, lekin masla hmen bharat men hny wali chizon sy hay.

Phir yahan har koi mazhabi junooni bhi hay. Bhai at least be honest to yourselves. Jab hm sabhi ganday log hayn toh at least religion ka naam lena bnd krden. Apnay sath sath apnay mazhab ka mazak bhi banwaya hua.

Koi aukat nai hay hmari, dunya hm per thookti bhi nai hay, lekin apnay aap men hm world leaders hayn.

P.S. Waiting to be called an agent from the neighboring country.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 29 days ago

Of all the lackings in our Gen Z, failing to critically analyze themselves is the most annoying one.

Now I am not saying kay hmari pichli generation was any better at it, because they also lacked the ability to self analyze, but hear me out, this is from a different angle.

You go on and hear a story from someone, jiss men they thought unkay sath friends nay bht ghalat kia, ya kisi aur nay, and you can see how they themselves were so wrong at so many points.

Like, har koi yahan mazloom kese hy? Har kisi kay sath bullying hui hay toh bully tha kon? Har kisi kay sath harassment horhi hy toh kar kon raha h?

Apkay around snakes hi snakes hyn? Kia pata aap khud snake hon? Aap k sath har koi betray kar jata hay? Kia pata aap khud hi koi bongi martay hon? Har kisi kay sath ghalat hi horha hay? Koi yay bhi kehta hay kay mene kisi kay sath gahalt kia hay?

This generation lacks to critically judge the situation, judge themselves, and understand any other pov. Har waqt uper sy anay ki krengy, bhai sun to loh agla kia keh rha hay, har waqt jawab dena, aggressive hojana, and failing to understand kay bhai aap bhi ghalat hoskty ho. Agla agar kch keh rha hy toh at least usay merit per judge to kro, or at least try to stand in their shoes to understand their perspective.

Har koi social media per anti bullying ka bhashan derha hay, when you for sure know how they themselves are in their lives. Bss har kisi kay sath ghalat hi horha hay, koi ghalat kr nai rha. 

I have seen many instances jahan log khud chuss harkaten kr rhy hoty hyn, in their relationships, or friendships, lekin somehow they make the victims out of themselves.

Har kisi ka spouse ghalat hay, har kisi ko dost dhoka dene walay milay hayn, har kisi ki family uskay against hay. Ajeeb.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 1 month ago

Of all the lackings in our Gen Z, failing to critically analyze themselves is the most annoying one.

Now I am not saying kay hmari pichli generation was any better at it, because they also lacked the ability to self analyze, but hear me out, this is from a different angle.

You go on and hear a story from someone, jiss men they thought unkay sath friends nay bht ghalat kia, ya kisi aur nay, and you can see how they themselves were so wrong at so many points.

Like, har koi yahan mazloom kese hy? Har kisi kay sath bullying hui hay toh bully tha kon? Har kisi kay sath harassment horhi hy toh kar kon raha h?

Apkay around snakes hi snakes hyn? Kia pata aap khud snake hon? Aap k sath har koi betray kar jata hay? Kia pata aap khud hi koi bongi martay hon? Har kisi kay sath ghalat hi horha hay? Koi yay bhi kehta hay kay mene kisi kay sath gahalt kia hay?

This generation lacks to critically judge the situation, judge themselves, and understand any other pov. Har waqt uper sy anay ki krengy, bhai sun to loh agla kia keh rha hay, har waqt jawab dena, aggressive hojana, and failing to understand kay bhai aap bhi ghalat hoskty ho. Agla agar kch keh rha hy toh at least usay merit per judge to kro, or at least try to stand in their shoes to understand their perspective.

Har koi social media per anti bullying ka bhashan derha hay, when you for sure know how they themselves are in their lives. Bss har kisi kay sath ghalat hi horha hay, koi ghalat kr nai rha. 

I have seen many instances jahan log khud chuss harkaten kr rhy hoty hyn, in their relationships, or friendships, lekin somehow they make the victims out of themselves.

Har kisi ka spouse ghalat hay, har kisi ko dost dhoka dene walay milay hayn, har kisi ki family uskay against hay. Ajeeb.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 1 month ago

So I hope to put my feelings into words correctly. 

I myself grew up as a stern patriot. A staunch religious atmosphere, and the absence of TV in my home meant I grew up reading ghaza, mujahid, etc. on a daily basis, because that is all that I had. I still remember I used to hate anyone who watched Bollywood movies, or the IPL, or just anything related to India, and the masses were really into Indian media at that point of time. I grew up with all the patriotic and religious narratives which were common, and I almost joined mujahids at one point (boys can relate here).

However, thankfully, my strict parents, after they had disallowed TV at home, didn’t sever us from the internet. It did come late into our lives, but it did. Just scrolling through Facebook, watching videos over YT etc. made me realise kay kch toh garbarr hay. Yay jo hmen manjan becha hua hay yay fit nai beth rha. And then started a journey of unlearning any and every thing that I had learned in the first 15-18 years of my life, and it still continues.

Dukh aur afsos mjhy un per hota hay jo becharay kisi na kisi tarah abhi bhi hub ul watani ka shikar hayn. Don’t get me wrong, I love the desi culture (not all of it though), Urdu as a language but especially in literature, our music, food, and people (with all of our shortcomings). But loving Pakistan as a state has long been gone.

At this point, I seriously think anyone who loves Pakistan is a stupid person. Koi state, jo apkay bachon ka mustakbil, apka aur unka present, aur past sab kch barbaad krdy ussy pyar krna stupidity hi hay. Kch log toh becharay abhi bhi smjhty hyn k Pakistan koi bht kamal qism ka mulk hay, koi bht powerful state hy.

Yehi wajah hy apko aaj bhi log yay kehtay huye mil jaengy:

Lahore Paris ban chuka haym dunya ka safest city hay.
Karachi Karachi hay.
Pakistan ki bari izzat hay!!
Wghera wghera.
And funnily enough, most of them haven’t even left their gaon, city or country once.

Bhai aik dafa bahar toh niklo, dekho toh sai dunya kahan khari hay. Paris ko toh chor do, aap even Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta ko bhi chorr do, aap Indonesia ky mid tioer city Surabaya ka hi muqabla krky dikha do. Utni bhi aukaat nai hay. Kachray sy bharay huye cities, toot phoot ka shikar.

I have myself lived in Lahore for 20 years, and while I agree that it is the best city to live in Pakistan, it is nowhere close to advanced cities, or even the cities mentioned above.

Yaar aap first world ko toh chorrr hi do, even Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, etc. men logon ki zindagi itni purr sakoon hay. Sukoon sy khatay peetay aur sojatay hyn. Haan koi bht ameer nai hay zada log, lekin aik sukoon hy zindagi men. Bijlee sasti hay, zinda rehna asaan hy.

Bhai men achaar daloon nuclear bomb ka jab awam ko jeenay kay lalay paray hyn? Men achaar daalun k aapny dunya ki jang rukwa di jab apnay hi mulk men awam per zulm torr rahay hyn aap?

Please come out of this kay PPP achi, PTI buri, ya PTI buri and PMLN achi. Yay sab gadhay hayn. Theek hay aap abhi mulk sy bahar nai niklay, YouTube toh hay na?

YouTube per jaen aur seedha seedha yay likhen:

Street walk in Jakarta.
Street walk in Kuala Lumpur.
Street walk in Bangkok.
Street walk in Surabaya.
Street walk in Casa Blanca.
Street walk in Beirut.

See I didn’t even write koi 1st world cities, lekin even yay cities hmaray cities sy 1000 guna behter hayn.

Bhai please demand something from the people who rule you. Demand improvements. Youtube per hi baaki logon ki zindagian dekh len.

Pakistan ek ahmaqon ki jannat hay. Bahar koi munh bhi nai lagata agr aap Pakistani ho, even apkay Muslim friends bhi, aur apko yay baat tab smjh aaegi jab airport per line men sy apko nikalengy q kay apkay paas green passport hay.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 2 months ago

So I hope to put my feelings into words correctly. 

I myself grew up as a stern patriot. A staunch religious atmosphere, and the absence of TV in my home meant I grew up reading ghaza, mujahid, etc. on a daily basis, because that is all that I had. I still remember I used to hate anyone who watched Bollywood movies, or the IPL, or just anything related to India, and the masses were really into Indian media at that point of time. I grew up with all the patriotic and religious narratives which were common, and I almost joined mujahids at one point (boys can relate here).

However, thankfully, my strict parents, after they had disallowed TV at home, didn’t sever us from the internet. It did come late into our lives, but it did. Just scrolling through Facebook, watching videos over YT etc. made me realise kay kch toh garbarr hay. Yay jo hmen manjan becha hua hay yay fit nai beth rha. And then started a journey of unlearning any and every thing that I had learned in the first 15-18 years of my life, and it still continues.

Dukh aur afsos mjhy un per hota hay jo becharay kisi na kisi tarah abhi bhi hub ul watani ka shikar hayn. Don’t get me wrong, I love the desi culture (not all of it though), Urdu as a language but especially in literature, our music, food, and people (with all of our shortcomings). But loving Pakistan as a state has long been gone.

At this point, I seriously think anyone who loves Pakistan is a stupid person. Koi state, jo apkay bachon ka mustakbil, apka aur unka present, aur past sab kch barbaad krdy ussy pyar krna stupidity hi hay. Kch log toh becharay abhi bhi smjhty hyn k Pakistan koi bht kamal qism ka mulk hay, koi bht powerful state hy.

Yehi wajah hy apko aaj bhi log yay kehtay huye mil jaengy:

Lahore Paris ban chuka haym dunya ka safest city hay.
Karachi Karachi hay.
Pakistan ki bari izzat hay!!
Wghera wghera.
And funnily enough, most of them haven’t even left their gaon, city or country once.

Bhai aik dafa bahar toh niklo, dekho toh sai dunya kahan khari hay. Paris ko toh chor do, aap even Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta ko bhi chorr do, aap Indonesia ky mid tioer city Surabaya ka hi muqabla krky dikha do. Utni bhi aukaat nai hay. Kachray sy bharay huye cities, toot phoot ka shikar.

I have myself lived in Lahore for 20 years, and while I agree that it is the best city to live in Pakistan, it is nowhere close to advanced cities, or even the cities mentioned above.

Yaar aap first world ko toh chorrr hi do, even Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, etc. men logon ki zindagi itni purr sakoon hay. Sukoon sy khatay peetay aur sojatay hyn. Haan koi bht ameer nai hay zada log, lekin aik sukoon hy zindagi men. Bijlee sasti hay, zinda rehna asaan hy.

Bhai men achaar daloon nuclear bomb ka jab awam ko jeenay kay lalay paray hyn? Men achaar daalun k aapny dunya ki jang rukwa di jab apnay hi mulk men awam per zulm torr rahay hyn aap?

Please come out of this kay PPP achi, PTI buri, ya PTI buri and PMLN achi. Yay sab gadhay hayn. Theek hay aap abhi mulk sy bahar nai niklay, YouTube toh hay na?

YouTube per jaen aur seedha seedha yay likhen:

Street walk in Jakarta.
Street walk in Kuala Lumpur.
Street walk in Bangkok.
Street walk in Surabaya.
Street walk in Casa Blanca.
Street walk in Beirut.

See I didn’t even write koi 1st world cities, lekin even yay cities hmaray cities sy 1000 guna behter hayn.

Bhai please demand something from the people who rule you. Demand improvements. Youtube per hi baaki logon ki zindagian dekh len.

Pakistan ek ahmaqon ki jannat hay. Bahar koi munh bhi nai lagata agr aap Pakistani ho, even apkay Muslim friends bhi, aur apko yay baat tab smjh aaegi jab airport per line men sy apko nikalengy q kay apkay paas green passport hay.

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u/Putrid-Gur-1914 — 2 months ago