Is this legal in two-species counterpoint?

So I’m working on my two-species counterpoint (because I want to hate on Bach more accurately) and I arrived at this part and faced a conundrum.

There is two dissonant intervals on the downbeats, this is a big no-no as all downbeats must be consonant. Yet, for some reason I cannot help but feel the dissonance here (resolved by a perfect interval at the climax) really gives it a powerful propelling force forward (especially when smoother by consonant intervals on the weak beats. But it’s disastrously wrong.

So my questions are

  1. Are my ears untrained which is why this sounds good to me even though it’s bad? What do you think?

  2. If it does sound good or propelling, why?

  3. Is this allowed at all in counterpoint? Or am I now missing the purpose of the counterpoint exercise and applying general music theory concepts to what should be a limited practice exercise?

Thanks!

Note: ignore the rest of the bar after the climax, still need to edit that part

u/QM60 — 3 days ago

Is my Cantus Firmus correct?

I’m studying species counterpoint without a teacher and have no one to check my answer, so I’ve been using AI (Gemini) to check my answers for me.

I just had it check my answer for a problem and it said I was correct but I wanted to confirm I was correct in this group to make sure I can trust the AI to make a correct assessment or not.

So, could you tell me if the 5 errors I pointed out in this cantus firmus correct or not?

Question and answer in the image.

My reference for Cantus Firmus rules (and the lesson guide I’m following in general): https://viva.pressbooks.pub/openmusictheory/chapter/species-counterpoint/

Thanks!

u/QM60 — 6 days ago

Should I download from musehub?

I plan on writing piano music and only that. I’m using the free version of musescore which only has “keys” sound not piano.

I heard very fishy things about musehub (bloatware, fishy installs etc.) so was wondering.

1- Is musehub safe? Or is it considered a fishy software?

2- If I only care about piano and plan on staying free not paid, would musehub help download better piano sounds than “key” for free? Because if not then do I have any need for it at all?

3- Is musehub peer-to-peer (p2p)? I live in Japan and p2p type apps (torrent-like apps) can actually get me in trouble somewhat

Thanks!

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u/QM60 — 7 days ago

Answer sheet for OpenMusicTheory.com?

I’m studying from Open music theory now and they have assignment for each lesson yet for some inexplicable reason the assignment’s answer sheets are only available if you’re an instructor (with a fairly rigorous verification process to make sure you are). So now as a self-taught person, I have to feed the assignments to AI to generate an answer sheet for me but it’s far from the most accurate.

Is there any way I can obtain an answer sheet for the assignments? I can’t see any sense in doing them without being able to verify your answer.

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u/QM60 — 8 days ago
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I can’t taste Chopin at all

I may be the first mf in Earth’s history who wants to explore Chopin because he was a friend of Liszt (my favorite composer) and not the other way around lol. But somehow, I just cannot understand chopin.

It may be cause I dove too deep into late romantic and just off the heels of Liszt’s programmatic masterpieces (Dante Sonata, Vallee d’obermann etc.), but to me Chopin’s music just sounds like notes consecutively glued together, pretty notes for sure, very pretty, but they don’t form any larger structures (again, could be too spoiled by Liszt and Ravel’s thematic transformation techniques)

So, do you have any recommendation aside from the super famous ones? (Such as the impromptu and raindrop etude etc.) cause I’ll have already heard those.

So far I like his Ballade No. 1 & 3, they’re cool. Etude no. 11 in E flat major is a ton of fun, etude no. 12 in C minor is cool too.

Like, a lot of his stuff is nice, but that’s all it is. “Nice”.

So…can y’all recommend me something of his that you think I may like? Something maybe late-romantic esque? (Though my boy didn’t live to see that period rip)

My top 3 are

Liszt (Late liszt to be specific but flashy liszt can be fun too)
Ravel (everything he has ever touched, not including his gf)
Schubert (The fucking lieders man, the sonatas, I could go on and on)

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u/LaikaRollingStone — 25 days ago

I feel so disgusting

I was 1 away from lethal, opponent on exact lethal, and all 3 hits were just enough to not kill me and just enough to kill the opponent. They played so much better than me I actually just feel bad lmao

(Excuse the music, was just what I was listening to at the time)

Edit: Since that post I got Oulon’d in a 10x more disgusting way than the one I showed here. I no longer feel disgusting

u/QM60 — 29 days ago

The horror of sharing a spotify account with your sister

How am I supposed to jack off to this Christian Zimmer man guy?

u/QM60 — 30 days ago

I don’t understand SV’s game design philosophy

I’m a refugee from Hearthstone which is the main card game I’ve been playing for a long time, so it’s sort of my frame of reference here but comparing Hearthstone to SV, many things don’t make sense to me

1- The game feels REALLY restrictive.

One of my biggest problems is that every “Deal X damage” single target card necessitates that you MUST choose an enemy! Why??? Why not just have it “Deal X damage to a follower” which would give so much more room for creative play? And almost every single card of that type necessitates an enemy. It’s so bizarrely restrictive for no reason.

2- The decks have no variety

Thinking of hearthstone, every new expansion came with multiple new mechanics (and maybe one main mechanic like “inspire” etc.), yet the latest expansion has…none? Also, there’s SO LITTLE variety in decks, it’s difficult to even make meme decks. In HS one of my fondest memories was playing weird meme and creative decks like thief priest and weapon rogue (before it became OP lmao)

Why not include more sets into every rotation to increase card variety? Also add new mechanics. SV has no weapons, no secrets, no armor, no quest etc. (you basically can never do anything on your opponent’s turn except Burnite), and no hero powers. It makes up for it by evolve and crests but that’s just not enough.

3- 20 defense?

The game’s stats per pp (mana in HS) is very similar to HS yet it has 10 less health. This makes the game much faster. Fine. But maybe don’t print a 1000 different storm minions and have them be the winning condition of 80% of the decks? Like I have no idea what they were thinking when they decided to print a bunch of storm minions for the latest expansion.

4- No cards no life

The game ends if you run out of cards. I get this is a balance for having 40 cards instead of 30 like HS, but I still think it unfortunate. Some of my fondest memories is calculating fatigue damage (in HS you take 1 extra damage every turn without a card) to see if I can kill someone, but I understand it I suppose.

5- Let me see the card art!

When you click on a card while in battle, you see a huge block of text while in HS you see an enlarged version of the card with the full art visible! It’s very entertaining to admire the different arts whereas now I can barely recognize any of them. I understand SV cards have MUCH more words than HS, but I simply do not care. This is a visual design problem that is on them to figure out, but I want to be able to see full-size card art in-game. At least give us the option between the old style (current style) and a new giant one that is very obtrusive but that’s ok as it’s optional.

6- The Leader/Card arts are not cute/hot enough

Is what I would like to say but nah they got that one on lockdown ngl. I know some of y’all may be freaks are into monsters, I respect it, but personally I prefer humans so nah I like this game’s characters much more than HS (also appericiate the thinly-veiled armpit fetish of the devs lmao).

Overall, really like the game but I can’t see myself playing it for a long time tbh due to the aforementioned problems.

Tl;dr it’s just not varied enough nor complex enough to keep you engaged.

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u/QM60 — 1 month ago

Politics in music: Pianist loses fight against Melbourne orchestra over Gaza comments

Summary:

During a recital at a stage owned by the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra (MSO), a pianist played a piece dedicated to the over 250 journalists killed in Gaza alongside tens of thousands of children. Following this, MSO cancelled his following concerts and issued an apology to its patrons over the comments. He went on to sue them for discrimination based on his political views.

Defendant argument:

MSO argued that they did this because they were anticipating negative impacts on their business and because the pianists (Jayson) had not sought their permission first, and that this has nothing to do with his political views but a business decision.

Prosecution argument:

Jayson’s lawyers argue that this is a violation of his rights to express his views and that every venue is owned by some company/orchestra and seeking permission for speech from every venue violated that right. They also note that they find it inconceivable that they would’ve been cancelled if they had made a call for hostage release as then-managing director had expressed at the time her belief that the hostages held by Hamas need to be released.

Judge verdict: This is the interesting part. He ruled in favor of MSO because:

“I find that there is a custom or practice that classical musicians do not make statements on sensitive political or social issues from the stage without approval of the host."

Discussion: I agree with Jayson’s argument. If he had called for hostage release or if he had called for the Russian invasion of Ukraine to stop, I find it very very difficult to imagine his next concert would’ve been cancelled. But, on the other hand, taking that logic to its maximum—if someone expressed Nazi-aligned views on stage, should that be allowed? (Not saying pro-palestine = Nazi of course, just using a logical extreme).

While it is a custom in the classical world not to express political views without the host’s permission (or express any at all tbh), that hasn’t always been the case.

Within Polish pianists there had been a long custom of interfering in politics, and some of the biggest musicians in history such as Franz Liszt would regularly engage in politics and supported Hungary’s uprising against Austria as well as several worker struggles.

More recently, famous pianist Krystian Zimmerman also came out on stage in the US and protested the Iraq War and the US’ push to increase missile bases in his country. He received little pushback.

Moreover, that custom of “decorum” doesn’t extend to modern music. No venue where a pop or rock or metal concert is played needs its permission asked for the artist to express political views and it is understood that the views of the performer does not reflect the venue.

If you’re pro-Israel and support this, do consider that world opinion on Israel is souring at a tremendous rate and there soon may come a time when expressing any support for Israel may be met with similar reaction.

If you’re pro-palestine and against this, how far does this logic extend? Does it extend to nazi-aligned views or even gencoidal Israeli views of taking over more land and expelling all the arabs?

If you’re neutral, what do you think?

Interested to hear opinions.

My opinion: I wish for the classical world to move past faux decorum and to more resemble modern music in its free environment. I find it a necessary prequisite for mainstream breakthrough and definitely support artists being more political. Some of the most respected artists in the world of modern music are those who stood against wars through their music at the time.

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u/QM60 — 1 month ago

Can someone help me do Benjamin Netanyahu’s bingo mission?

> Must complete FIVE matches. There is no way to actually directly challenge a friend. difficult to even find a friend online

> only way to do it is to both sit down at the same table quick enough to battle.

They truly could have only gotten this idea from one person alive on this Earth.

If anyone can help, would be appericiated!

ID: 540865376643

u/QM60 — 1 month ago

Suspicious leader arm poses

Now that I look at it and Dreizehn’s title screen post…I wonder if the artists lean towards a certain….inclination….

u/QM60 — 2 months ago

Do viola players have human rights?

A viola player once came back home from a long day of playing two chords quietly in the background of a symphony to find his wife getting railed by 3 albanian violinists and he said “Alright” because Viola players are naturally-birthed cucks.

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u/QM60 — 2 months ago

On Liszt: The most misunderstood human in classical music

“Liszt’s pieces are always so difficult”

“Liszt wrote a lot of pieces to show off”

“Liszt’s music are fun but not really deep like Chopin’s”

This, and many other phrases are often thrown around when referencing Franz Liszt, arguably the greatest pianist to ever exist and most definitely the most famous during his time.

I do not blame anyone for having those opinions, music is all about opinions and its opinions shared by even many during his time. But often they come from lack of knowledge on who Liszt was and how he wrote music. I’m far from a musicologist but I’d like to highlight a few things about possibly the most sinned-against composer in classical music history.

Note: I will be very critical and very harsh about some pianists here, but please know I have nothing but the utmost respect for them, it’s just merely in the spirit of passionate critique.

Note 2: I’ll limit myself to one Myth this post as it’s getting kind of long, if there is interest maybe I’ll continue it.

Myth #1: “I heard X and Y Liszt piece and they were fun but nothing to rouse the soul”

You very likely haven’t heard X and Y Liszt piece, but a bastardization of X and Y Liszt piece.

Liszt’s pieces are the most difficult pieces to play in the piano standard repertoire. That is not because they are difficult technically — they certainly are but there are other even more difficult composers — but because they seem to take over a pianist’s body and force him or her to play this piece as if they have suffer from incontinence and simply must go to the bathroom immediately.

Take one of the most bastardized pieces of the piano repertoire: “Feux Follets”, liszt’s 5th transcdental etude.

I have heard this piece a hundred times from a hundred pianists as it is possibly the hardest transcdental etude and is often used in many competitions (alongside the famous “Mazeppa”). I have heard it from old heads like Kissin (https://youtu.be/LsggmCF1Cys ) new talents like Yunchan Lim, you name it. Yet, I had never actually heard it before.

Liszt has a metronome marking written down for the piece, the overwhelming majority of pianists ignore it and play at nearly double the temp. The first composer who I’ve heard play it at normal tempo was Claudio Arrau and by god it was the first time I’ve ever heard the wisps dance. I was shocked, sounds I’d never heard before were just hidden in plain sight. Yet, in the comments of the youtube video, everyone was puzzled on why Arrau is playing “so slowly”, one comment even said “he’s playing like a student practicing the piece” (https://youtu.be/eLpMxlXmrug)

So I went and investigated, how did Liszt play it? Surely he played it faster and better than any other pianist, he’s Liszt! after all. The Liszt!

To my shock, Liszt would often play it much slower than nearly all modern performers. This could be heard most clearly when listening to Frederic Lamond’s performance of the piece (who was a student of Liszt) (https://youtu.be/TbFVOw0fC6A).

According to Lamond (and many other Liszt students): Franz Liszt never liked fast playing, “worshipping at the alter of the pianoforte” he called it, when he held masterclass lessons with many students, he never taught them technique, always interpretation.

When a student was playing Chopin’s Polonaise Op.53, he came to the fast octave section and began hammering the piano with great gusto on the left hand.

Liszt immediately stopped him and said: “I don’t want to listen to how fast you can play octaves. I wish to hear the canter of the horses of the polish cavalry before they gather force and destroy the enemy”. Amongst all of Liszt’s students, one thing was clear, he hated the worship of speed.

So why, do you ask, that many a-pianists nowadays play his pieces in the much-celebrated “Diarrhea technique” instead of at the metronome marking that Liszt wrote or without paying any heed at all to any of the piece’s dynamics or themes? Well, it is because Liszt isn’t played. Not really. Liszt is used.

Musicians like Kissin playing Feux Follets don’t play Liszt, they don’t even put any unique interpretation on Liszt’s pieces (which Liszt loved, he would often rearrange pieces on the spot while playing). No, they just use his pieces to showcase how skilled they are at tapping different keys at high speed. They don’t view Liszt as an actual composer, just a dispenser to dispense scores they can show off with. They never do that with Chopin or Rachmanioff or Debussy (not consistently anyways). Only Liszt.

Nearly all Liszt pieces get the same treatment. I recently heard Yunchan Lim play Liszt’s dante sonata (https://youtu.be/MctHnG0AXWI) and he turned one of the most angelic passages I’ve ever heard (the triplets in F# minor near the middle of the piece) to a salon piece. I don’t hold it against him as he’s very young and with something to prove, but I’m afraid this style is repeated by even veteran pianists.

Not only was Liszt an incredible inventor in piano technique and a pioneer of many piano advances, he was also a masterful inventor in piano form (as anyone can attest if they studied the B minor sonata) and a cutting-edge pioneer with new forms such as the symphonic poem and even experimenting with atonality. But above all, just a damn good composer.

That is ofc not to speak of his boundless generosity as a human. He spent much of his time arranging other musician’s pieces to the piano so that those who couldn’t afford to go to expensive concert halls can hear them in recitals. He donated 99% of his income and taught all of his students for free. He was even instrumental in helping Hungary in its revolution against the occupying Austria.

A man of boundless benevolence and appreciation for music as an art, reduced to merely a tool for people to show off. It’s too tragic to stomach given how much that man has given to the world of music.

If anyone wishes to explore the other side of Liszt. I highly recommend Claudio Arrau’s record album “Arrau Spielt Liszt”. In it, I would specifically recommend:

Dante Sonata (Annes de pelerinage 2nd year no. 7)

Vallee de Obermann (Annes de pelerinage 1st year no. 6)

Transcdental Etude no. 5 “feux follets” if you wish to hear it for possibly the first time

Ballade no. 2

and Harmonies Poetiques et religieuses.

I would overall recommend the entire album but specifically those could be a sound of Liszt you’ve never heard before.

I’ll end on one last anecdote.

One of Liszt’s most regarded masterpieces is Vallee de Obermann which is the 6th of the 1st year of Annes de pelerinage (Also found in Arrau’s album and also recommended).

During Liszt time, his music was so unappericiated, that this piece now regarded as a masterpiece was hated by Liszt due to how poorly it was received. He would ban his students from playing it at recitals or competitions for fear that they may get bad reception.

One time, when Liszt was in a particularly serene mood, he allowed one student to play it from start to finish. He sunk quietly into his chair. As opposed to his often interruptions with remarks and corrections, he stayed silent throughout. At the end of the piece, he cried; for it was a piece about an artist lost in the mountains, fed up with modern life and desperately trying to find some meaning. Yet in Liszt’s life — much like today — a giant wall of lies was constructed around him that prevented him or any of his masterpieces to break into the public. Don’t repeat the mistake of the people of the 1880’s, for at least today you have a random redditor to try and help you chisel a bit into that wall.

u/QM60 — 2 months ago

Sources for piece’s explanation/breakdown?

Is there sources that have breakdown/explanation of multiple music pieces? (For example rn I’m doing Bach Prelude in G major and Gymnopedie no. 1 as a 1 month-old pianist).

My music theory level is basically musictheory(.)net (aka can identify and construct diatonic traids and sevenths chords and neopolitan chords etc.) but real music has so many exceptions (sevenths chords with missing 5ths, seventh chords with non-harmonic notes etc.) and it’s difficult for me to grasp pieces so I end up memorizing note by note which is terrible.

I tried AI but AI is REALLY bad at reading music scores for some reason.

Any suggestions? I want to understand what I’m playing

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u/QM60 — 3 months ago