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If composers were in high school today, which cliques would they belong to?
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If composers were in high school today, which cliques would they belong to?

This is all just for fun, and no offense to them.

Of course, they might all be band geeks but what else about their musical and non-musical personas might make them part of a modern clique, or what kind of genre might they be into today?

For example, I’d put Liszt with the Metalheads - the whole shredder playing, the whole interest in the occult and “satanic” things…

Wagner might have been a Theater Kid.

Xenakis might very well go into the Nerd group - heavy into Math.

Was Cage the Stoner? Counterculture Hippie?

Brahms the Hipster (into retro stuff)???

Of course there can be crossover (and many of them are “rebels” in many ways), but what do you think, and why?

Here’s a list of common stereotypes, some of them maybe too modern but relevant (Debussy very interested in music of the orient, so Anime Kid, J-Pop Kid?)

https://www.bitglint.com/high-school-stereotypes-examples-guide/

u/65TwinReverbRI — 3 hours ago
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Bosch playing at Hot Tin Faversham. Henry Dagg on hurdy-gurdy scooter

Original post: @ timlongartist on ig

u/Mihon404 — 3 hours ago
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Criticism of a depraved Harpist called «Horudja». The writer says this filthy man's voice and performance are so horrible to the point Sekhmet and Horus wanted to kill him. 2nd century CE. [2002x3000]

>It is sadness and suffering for the soul to hear the voice of this dreadful man when he sings. He is truly a deplorable singer, and he only sings well-known songs.

>He goes to the temple when he should not, and makes the god hear what they hate.

>How does he present himself at a festival? Like the best in his art. He sits down, looking very important, like a real singer, and he lifts the harp to sing, thinking in his mind, he is a virtuoso.

>No one realises that he is a huge fool because his stupidity overwhelms the public. He sings in a shrill voice,  even when his mouth proclaims his own glory. Whoever sees him singing is afflicted for the day.

>There is no need for many words, because he has all the faults. Who taught him to play the harp?  From whom did he learn to sing? His interpretation is jerky because his usual task is digging, his skill is watering. His fingers are like gnarled wood, they are not made for a harp.

>His voice makes more noise than a heavy shovel. He has innumerable faults,more than in the songs of Busiris.

>Isheru's mistress became angry with him - the great Sekhmet. He is overcome by her plague,  he is overpowered by her anger.  So he will never again carry his harp before the mistress of Egypt.

>In his old age he is full of horror, he is oppressed by filth. Horus is very angry with him; he is going to get killed by the son of Isis.

>He was given the name Horudja  even though "Arsehole" is the name that suits him.

>A great song for the temple of Mut, an adoration for the mistress of Egypt,  it is a true masterpiece whose meaning he manages to pervert.

>We would have said: "He acts out of ignorance", and no reproach would reach him for that. But he has only silence from doctrine, he draws no benefit from the words.

>In fact, he has learned but he knows nothing, he has received teaching but does not retain it. Like a mute person who understands but cannot answer correctly.

>Like a fool who takes up a book and remains dumb in front of all the texts. He has not known any song except one since his birth : "I'm hungry! Give me a drink! • What is there to eat?" What about the one who cooks • in front of him, if he sees meat?

>He is quicker than a fly to blood, faster than a vulture which has seen carrion.

>He will be able to spend four days awake  looking for some food that is hidden. If someone shouts to him: "Meat!" in a loathsome place, he is present, with harp in front, but he does not . . . a man who is dirtier than his neighbour.

>And whoever displays bread and meat to him, he will go to his house without being invited. And he will say to the venues: I cannot sing if I am hungry.

>I cannot raise my harp to play unless I have had my fill of wine. Order it! And he drinks wine for two, eats meat for three: food for five in all.

> But the harp weighs down on him, like an uncomfortable burden. So that every person must be made to say, three times each: "Sing!"

>If he starts to raise his harp when drunk, then all of his vices comes to light.

>He turns the harp with his hand, he sings again 'The faults of women'. When he begins to raise the tune, his mouth sings his glory. But what he sings does not match his playing; his voice and harp are discordant.

>His poor performance shows his disregard of the music. The gentleness of good manners, he has not even begun to understand it.

>He cannot be accepted anywhere because of the number of his faults. If he is full, he puts away the harp; if he is replete, he leaves.


>I would mention the misdeeds he committed, but they are more numerous than those of Seth. He went in a funeral procession to the West last year, from Psonis to Akhmim.

>He acted as a sacrificer,  but I cannot say what he did there: "It's not even worth talking about," as they say to make their meaning clear. He declared the animals good for sacrifice, even those protected by the god . . .

>He disregarded the seal that sanctified the animals . . . and he ignored even the supervising priest. And then, whatever was brought to him on the block, he stabbed . . . with a knife. And he was the first to eat the meat . . . without knowing how to cook it.

u/Appropriate-Weird492 — 9 hours ago

Beginners listen to Chopin

The most sickeningly puerile and saccharine of tastes leads those unfortunates infected with it towards Einaudi (🤢🤮) like moths to a light.

Beginners, of course, listen to Chopin.

Early Intermediates listen to Mozart and Haydn. Perhaps Haydn listeners are a bit more advanced then Mozart listeners, but even more insufferable. Someone who considers Haydn symphonies to be the greatest is the sort of person who would apologize for programming a Hindemith piece (I actually died of secondhand embarrassment when they did that — it’s scarred into my brain — also they said Don Giovanni is the greatest opera ever?????? It’s objectively Salome of course) 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬

People who listen to Beethoven and pretend to understand his late sonatas and string quartets are intermediates. Those uncommon souls who truly understand them (like me, of course), are advanced.

Late Intermediates listen to Brahms. Finally the first tier that I begrudgingly respect. Beware of Brahms “listeners” who aren’t familiar with his chamber output, however. They are pretenders.

Finally, at long last, we reach the early advanced. The ones who have distanced themselves from the norm just enough to be considered slightly “nerdy”, but naturally they are all “normie” nerds, and like lost sailers on a shipwreck clinging to a forgotten rock beset by crashing waves, the normie nerds all cling to Sorabji in a barely successful attempt to distance themselves from the madding crowd, from the unwashed masses (shudder). Anxiously tasteful, but tasteful nonetheless.

Scriabin is a mixed bag. Beginners pretending to be advanced intermediates give themselves away by finding no enjoyment in a Scriabin’s 6th or later sonatas. If your favorite Scriabin sonata is No. 10, however, then you have ascended. Your taste is advanced, almost as elite as the truly advanced listeners.

Truly advanced listening begins with Feinberg, of course (naturally). 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

Rarefied acolytes, however, those rarities of true taste, listen to MAX REGER😱🙀😱🙀😱🙀😱🙀 😱🙀😱🙀😱🙀😱🙀😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Fast-Armadillo1074 — 20 hours ago
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Living Tyrants

Is there a present-day equivalent of Fritz Reiner—an active conductor known for being exceptionally demanding or even tyrannical, yet still highly sought after because of their artistic excellence?

u/Lied_von_der_Erde — 2 days ago

Me banging a stick on my front porch is a greater piece of music than Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

Disagree with me?

Guess what, art and music are entirely subjective. Just because the classical music establishment has spent two centuries institutionalizing one specific German guy's work doesn't mean it holds some objective monopoly on artistic value.

The reality is that most classical purists have just deeply imprinted on a specific, highly structured Western style. That conditioning makes you think anyone who doesn't share your exact aesthetic opinions is "objectively wrong".

If my definition of art is about immediate expression, raw sound, and the individual human experience, then my stick-and-porch performance has just as much validity as a 1 hour symphony.

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u/PandaZG — 2 days ago
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The 3rd movement of the Yoshimatsu Concerto sounds like Mundian To Bach Ke by Panjabi MC(stereotypical Indian song)

Yoshimatsu: https://youtu.be/GLvaTn2KdeY?si=hfiRPZtCZsUmzxN7&t=1508

Mundian To Bach Ke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9WO2ieJMYk&list=RDx9WO2ieJMYk&start_radio=1

Also, what an anemic 3rd movement... so repetitive... Sorry to heart the feelings of the glazers of this repetitive, sloppy, and uninspired concerto 😤😤😤

u/PandaZG — 2 days ago

Guys, what does your favourite composer smell like?

Mine smells like month-old sweat, piss, tooth-decay, alcohol, animal musk and 100 litres of perfume. He's so cutesy! :3

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u/Baroque4Days — 3 days ago

What is Edward Elgar's best melody?

With an astounding 2 upvotes, the Birth of Venus transliteration from the Botticelli Triptych won for Respighi. And finally, we get a British composer - this time in the depressed man himself, Elgar. Top comment gets added.

u/ChopinChili — 2 days ago