Is the Dzungar Genocide recognised only in Western historiography, or was there a continuous conception of the Qing conquest of Dzungaria as a particular aberration in Chinese (or Dzungar) historical/cultural memory?

The Dzungar genocide appears to only be encountered (in English at least) in an academic/academic-adjacent context, despite its apocalyptic scale and intensity rivalling the most extreme episodes of asymmetric mass-violence in world history. While Native American genocides have collectively (if belatedly) entered wider public consciousness with sensitive and controversial discourse about acknowledgement and reconciliation, I have never seen the annihilation of Dzungaria discussed by anyone other than historians and laymen with a particular interest in Qing history.

Is there a different story in China? Are there Qing-era sources indicating that any Chinese people at the time saw something unprecedentedly brutal or beyond the scope of "normal" warfare in what Qianlong had ordered? Did Republican-era Chinese ever evoke the genocide as evidence of the barbarity of the Manchus, or would acknowledgment have been too damaging to the Republic's claim to Xinjiang?

And on the other side of the coin, is there any evidence of continuous memorialisation of the catastrophe by descendants of Dzungars (apparently these include modern Kalmyks and Olots) or were survivors too dislocated and dispersed to have retained a shared conception of "national trauma" that descendants of survivors of other genocides have?

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u/Ramses_IV — 1 day ago

Newbie question - How do you pressure cook in multiple phases without overcooking?

I just got an instant pot and so far really like it but I've seen a couple of recipes that don't seem to work properly because they require two "phases" of pressure cooking with additional ingredients added between them.

So for example I might be cooking a curry sauce with the standard base ingredients (onion, garlic, spices, mince, tomato etc.) but want to add potato towards the end so that the chunks come out soft but without breaking down completely into the sauce. Online recipes will say to pressure cook for five minutes, then QPR before adding the potatoes and pressure cooking for a few more minutes, but then in the time that it takes to repressurise the base sauce is still cooking at a high temperature and ends up overcooked.

Is the trick to just add more water so that the steam builds up quicker? And preheating for the second round of pressure cooking doesn't take too long?

Thanks

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u/Ramses_IV — 4 days ago

Any recommendations for good gyms in the city centre?

I just moved to Baltic Triangle and am looking for a decent gym in the city centre. Ideally something that has a fair bit of good equipment as opposed to 800 treadmills and two benches. I've mostly used commercial gyms before so it's not a deal-breaker, but if better options are available I would prefer that.

After a bit of googling the Gym Group in Liverpool One would be the most convenient location and is open 24 hours but I'm not sure how good it is. Does anyone go there or know of somewhere else in the area that's better? Cheers

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u/Ramses_IV — 5 days ago

Did Mesoamerican cultures have a discrete concept of "human sacrifice" - as distinct from other forms of killing - that encompassed everything they practiced which is now normatively bracketed as human sacrifice? If not, is there a push in academic Mesoamerican studies to retire the term altogether?

From an anthropological standpoint it seems difficult to come up with an analytical definition of human sacrifice that includes everything that is generally considered such and excludes everything that isn't. Almost every society in history has at one time or another practiced some form of ritualised killing, and in pre-secular contexts these had a religious dimension more often than not.

One potential conceptual distinction is that the classic image of Aztecs offering up hearts to the sun was seen as directly providing sustenance to a god (if indeed that bears any resemblance to what they actually did), but that excludes any ritualised killing that was intended more to appease than to nourish, like the tophets/child sacrifice mentioned in the Hebrew Bible and with some archaeological attestation in the ancient Near East and Carthage. Divine appeasement also gets awkwardly close to including the burning of heretics in the name of God in early-modern Europe. The term sacrifice also implies that the thing being offered is of value to the one performing the ritual and its loss would be missed, which fits for the tophets but doesn't square well with the fact that the majority of Aztec sacrifices were prisoners of war.

Historians of Mesoamerica are often the first to point out that human sacrifice as it pertains to Mesoamerica is a Eurocentric notion - and as with the tophets is pejoratively applied to an 'other' - but did Mesoamerican societies recognise "human sacrifice" as a salient category of killing? Are there historians who avoid the term altogether due to the Eurocentric baggage?

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u/Ramses_IV — 21 days ago

A number of West African leaders have issued formal apologies for their countries' roles in the slave trade. How did post-independence political discourse in Africa grapple with notions of responsibility and victimhood in slavery?

I'm aware the question is broad and West Africa is not a monolith, but some cursory googling tells me that leaders of Benin and Ghana, as well as some regional leaders in Nigeria, beat their European counterparts to the milestone of official apology for historical participation in the slave trade.

In Europe this can be a politically sensitive issue despite the obvious fact of European powers' involvement. The idea of a formal apology has been oft-floated in Britain but is yet to be implemented as officially acknowledging responsibility is seen as an embarrassing (or woke) concession that on top of stinging national pride risks coming across as governments seeking re-election telling the voting public to accept culpability for atrocities committed centuries before they were born.

It's surprising then that African leaders would be willing to take this step given that their countries status as perpetrators is more ambiguous - most African states are colonial/post-colonial creations that did not exist during the transatlantic trade, and while indigenous polities certainly enriched themselves through slave-trading (often brutally and enthusiastically), modern West African populations also have a viable claim to victimhood in that many of them descend from communities that were pillaged for human capital by African and European powers alike.

How then did the legacy of the slave trade factor into post-colonial nation-building and political discourse? Was slavery highlighted as an anti-colonial grievance, admonished as a national shame, or ignored as an uncomfortable piece of history too awkward and sensitive to dig up?

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u/Ramses_IV — 1 month ago