Reasoning behind resistance towards technological advancements

Foreword:

I've seen people say "well people who resisted this and that eventually lost", from printing press to electricity, I'm going to be explaining the why, because not a single person sharing these examples from the past have bothered to explain the reasonings behind the resistance. Just basically "haha people resisted this and lost this is what 'antis' are."

Throughout these examples you'll find that it's not necessarily just for cultural or religious reasons, but also genuine concerns of things like safety, loss of income and lack of standards.

The printing press:

This is an interesting one. I've done a little bit of reading about the printing press and the controversies behind it and the reasoning for why people were so resistant to it wasn't just because people who wrote things manually would be out of jobs.

Turns out that thanks to the speed written works could now be published, there were bound to be mistakes here and there. So if you bought a first edition of something made by a printing company, the chances were that it would have had errors.

The only way for that error to be rectified would be to buy the newer edition. Not only that, because copyright was not a thing, printing companies were also selling pirated works of other people and companies. There was nothing there to prevent them from just yoinking someone else's work and printing that out.

So, while it was revolutionary technology at the time, it was also being abused maliciously to make quick profits.

Electricity:

Why would anyone be resistant to something as marvelous as electricity? It powers everything from households to factories and makes the life of an average citizen easier.

Well, when electricity was invented, no safety standards whatsoever. Wire being exposed made electricity very dangerous.

There were a lot of deaths in New York and people were seriously concerned for their own safety. Electricity was much more dangerous back in the day, so it was completely understandable why some people were resistant to electricity.

Luddite movement:

a nickname for people who are against AI. The thing is, luddites being barbaric, machine destroying purists was pure propaganda, written by the rich after luddites were hanged.

Luddites tried to in fact negotiate with big corporations and were accepting of the machinery as long as it was not used to replace people completely. Many luddites knew how to operate the machinery, even.

However, corporations had other plans. Cram as many machines in the factories as they could and replace people with them.

Luddites, now angry that they were being replaced, started sabotaging the machinery as a way to protest, defending rights of workers.

You could say Luddites were the first people to unionize and started a movement towards workers rights.

So yeah. People living in these times had very valid concerns over these new things and so do people who are against AI.

In fact I'd say it's a compliment when people against AI are called luddites or are told that they are the people who were against printing press or electricity.

Because that means that people against AI are basically the same as those who advocated for some standards and rules.

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u/RedditUser000aaa — 4 days ago

The "No U" thing again

I am very certain this specific invidiual is delusional and might not be in their right mind. I see that this person is not fan of artistic freedom.

Furthermore, it's not the people against AI who encourage other people to carry guns in case of AI bros, but the reverse is very much true.

They've also been inventing scenarios about "threatening violence" or people against AI beating up other people.

The two images are an example of this happening, however keep in mind they are older receipts. I've seen people defending AI say "Antis are violent" "Antis threaten violence", but I haven't seen any recent statements about carrying guns in case of "antis".

The "death threats" being talked about here are most likely just artists blowing off some steam and depicting AI bros of getting their teeth kicked in or whatever.

Man, these people must really hate punk culture then, because on top of punk culture being very DIY, it's also very anti-establishment.

As I've said time and again. These are the people who attend comedy shows and laugh it up when someone's getting roasted for their choice of clothes or choice of politics or whatever, but when it's their turn to get their share, they start saying how they're being bullied by the comedian.

Finally:

They take words said by people and then make the problem seem bigger than it actually is. No, I don't condone wishing anyone "die" or killing anyone, because they use AI. Nor do I condone that terrible "meme" with the text "We need to kill AI artist."

u/RedditUser000aaa — 4 days ago

Japan court rules human voice protected in TikTok AI case

TOKYO: A Tokyo court ruled on Wednesday that the human voice is legally protected in Japan, in a case brought against TikTok by a well-known anime voice actor over videos he says use an artificial intelligence clone of his "lustrous" baritone. The ruling is a partial victory for Kenjiro Tsuda, known for starring roles in major franchises including "Jujutsu Kaisen" and "Yu-Gi-Oh!", although the court rejected his request to have the videos removed.

"The unauthorized use of a performer's voice... can be considered an infringement on publicity rights," Judge Aya Takahashi said.

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u/RedditUser000aaa — 15 days ago

Just tossing this into the pile

Again with the comparisons between actually oppressed groups and them not being able to handle very honest and valid criticisms.

This does give us insight to their thought process. We cannot exercise free speech to criticise prompts and if we do, that criticism somehow translates to that.

I just love the third comment, btw.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 24 days ago

Anthropic is building a surveillance system to monitor anti-AI activists

Frontier AI lab Anthropic is hiring an enterprise intelligence specialist to track and investigate activism as a “global threat.”

This is according to a recent analysis by The American Prospect, a progressive political magazine, based on Anthropic’s job postings and interviews with the company's senior employees working on security.

The system would allow the company to monitor activists protesting near physical Anthropic assets as anti-AI sentiment grows in the country, with 52% of Americans more concerned than excited about the increased use of AI in daily life.

In addition, its “pre-crime” approach, attempting to predict incidents before they happen, could involve reporting suspects to the police before they commit a crime.

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u/RedditUser000aaa — 25 days ago

Anti consent people hate getting called anti consent

I mean this comic is true. Also yes, yes I know the controversies revolving around her, but she's addressed one of them since forever ago.

These people have no awareness at all. Imagine getting mad over getting called out over your own shitty behavior. Couldn't be me.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

Emulointi vs. alkuperäinen rauta

Videopelejä lähes koko ikäni pelanneena ajattelin herättää keskustelua aiheesta. Oma mielipide tähän on se, että alkuperäinen rauta on aina tottakai parempi kuin emulointi.

Emulointihan on no, nimensä mukaisesti alkuperäisen raudan matkimista mahdollisimman hyvin. Itsellehän kävi niin, että oli alkuperäiset raudat, joutuivat hukkaan enkä viitsinyt konsolia sekä pelejä ostaa uudestaan, niin päätin sitten emuloida niitä vanhoja pelejä.

No, aluksi emuloinnissa ei ollut mitään vikaa, mutta pari peliä parissa emulaattorissa kieltäytyi toimimasta moitteettomasti, niin aloin aidosti miettimään konsolien ostamista.

Tässä sitten tuli toinen ongelma:

Uusissa telluissa kun ei ole muuta kuin HDMI ja kun noi adapterit, jotka muuttaa analogisen signaalin digitaaliseksi aiheuttaa pientä viivettä pelatessa.

Retrotink ei ollu vaihtoehto, kun maksaa niin pirusti eikä valoaseet muutenkaan toimi uusissa telluissa, niin tuli sitten ostettua putkitelevisio. Nämäkin ovat katoavaa teknologiaa valitettavasti ja kun varsinkin Trinitroneja mainostetaan "retropelitelevisioina", niin hintapyynnöt ovat kohtuuttomia.

Tästä sitten päästäänkin MAMEen.

Itse tuossa hiljattain tein erittäin laiskan arcade asetelman, suht halpa arcade ohjain ja MAME päälle. Valitettavasti näissä kabineteissa on ihan omat piirinsä, niin jos haluaa alkuperäisen Galagan tai Tuhatjalkaisen, niin pakko hommata se alkuperäinen kabinetti.

Ongelma näiden keräilyssä lienee selvä:

Aivan liian kallista, harvinaista löytää sekä vievät kauheasti tilaa. Puhumattakaan siitä, että jos niihin tulee joku vika, niin on kallista puuhaa alkaa yrittää korjaamaan itse.

Tämän takia arcade pelien kohdalla tekisin poikkeuksen ja sanoisin, että MAME on melkein se parempi vaihtoehto, vaikka MAME ei vastaakkaan alkuperäistä rautaa.

Ymmärrän toki hyvin niitä, jotka näiden kabinettien äärellä viettivät aikaa ja sanovat, että kannattaa yrittää hommata ainakin yksi alkuperäinen, kun itsekin olen kokenut miten epätarkkaa emulointi voi olla.

Mutta kommatkaa ihmeessä mitä mieltä te olette. Itse näkisin emuloinnin tapana tutustua erilaisiin peleihin ja siitä sitten siirtyä alkuperäiseen rautaan, jos on kiinnostusta.

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u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

"We are soo oppressed"

"It was one time by someone who was exposed as a false-flagger." -If you know you know.

How tone-deaf do you have to be to do this shit? It's disgusting. The fact that people also agree with this.

Like, no. They're not oppressed. At all. They're just playing the victim again. Well, one more receipt of them doing this so they can't rewrite history and say "we don't claim that we are oppressed just like the jews/ethnic minorities/sexual minorities."

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago
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I would never date an AI user

In fact, "do you use AI" would be one of the first questions I would ask.

Now, the obvious thing here would be the difference in values, but there are more subtle red flags that will make me walk away.

If they defend and use AI, they are against consent and that is not attractive. There's also bunch of other unethical factors around AI and if they would actually start debating against that, yeah I'm walking away.

I'd be concerned of deepfakes. I would never ever give permission to upload any pictures of me into AI. So if they made an AI rendition of me and saying how they did something good, I'd give that person a stern talking about how I am against that.

Of course there's the even bigger danger of them potentially making nudes of me in secret. I couldn't trust an AI user not to do that.

Finally, them spreading personal information into LLMs. It's no secret AI users use LLMs. I don't want them to use an LLM as a personal therapist, especially if they are feeding personal information about me into an LLM. I'd ask what kind of personal and confidential information they have fed into AI about me and our relationship.

So yeah. I'd instantly reject AI users, because I would automatically think they are disgusting. I could never have peace of mind around an AI user, because I wouldn't know if they've fed something into AI behind my back.

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u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

Antis are mean, so I take that as a pass to try and fake being an artist

"Why are people mean to AI users, I mean we defend scraping of Cara and feeding works of others into AI, we also invade spaces meant for artists and depict them as ogres, but that's irrelevant. I just want to be left alone to take other peoples' work while supporting something unethical.

I am the victim here!!11!"

No buddy. You were going to fake the workflow regardless of whether people criticise you or not. You're just seeking justification for it and the reactions AI communities have gotten for their shitty behaviors were the perfect excuse.

Also holy false equivalency, no one accused every single AI user of making CSAM, just pointing out that models are perfectly capable of generating it and supporting AI despite all of that is just shitty behavior.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

Still as excited as ever to deceive people I see

This argument doesn't even make any sense, here's why:

"I can just use chess engine to play perfect games, it's just a tool to help me, because I have a learning disability, I shouldn't be excluded from a sport, just because of my disability."

"My hands shake, so I can't play FPS games that well, but I want to be included, so I downloaded this tool called 'aimbot'. Don't worry guys, it's not set to lock on heads at 0.001 millisecond, I still have to curate my mouse movements for it to help me with my aim. If I didn't use it, my stats would always be negative and I want to have fun as well and it's not fun to die all the time."

"Yeah, I'm a speedrunner, but I use various tools to help me get better time, because I have a hard time to learn. I have put so many hours into this game, have gotten fucked over by RNG, so I think I am entitled to this time."

Fact to the matter is that it is still the AI doing all the heavy lifting, while these people sit behind their prompters, pretending to be artists.

Yeah, why improve at all in anything? Why have fun learning and improving? In fact why do some of these people even play videogames?

They want instant results, so why not just cheat, go into godmode or give themselves trillion currency so they can skip all the "boring" parts of a videogame?

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

"AI doesn't steal"

"Look at this almost 1:1 creation of the bad chinese cartoon, but don't worry guyz AI just learns like humans do, it's not stealing, even tho I am showing you an almost 1:1 prompt of someone else's work."

It's funny when the side defending AI counters their own claims about AI not stealing.

Also look up David Revoy. That guy seriously got screwed over by AI.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

Imagine using someone else's death as a talking point

This is one of the shittiest takes here, imagine being this ghoulish, taking a dead person and then thinking "how can I make this about me and my arguments?".

I seriously hate when people pull shit like this.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

Using small businesses as an argument to justify use of AI is ridiculous

You know the drill, alt girl bad, so most likely a conservative sucking up to orange turd.

Why is it the responsibility of artists to support small businesses? Also as I've said before, advertising is part of a business expense.

I'm not gonna spend currency on a place that has used AI, because those people might have cut costs on other things as well.

Also, if monetary compensation isn't an option, there are other ways. Like giving couple of free meals for instance.

Of course, it's up to artists to accept such an offer.

But yeah, businesses budgeting badly or even worse, thinking they can just do advertising for free using AI are bad businesses by default.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

Imagine believing and parroting what Scam Altman says to "prove" a point

The jokes write themselves. Oh yes, a tech CEO focused on AI is going to be honest and not gonna totally lie and make shit up.

He's so trustworthy, especially after he said something like oneGPT query takes like 1/15th of a teaspoon of water. Something, I'm sure he pulled out his ass.

These people are willing to believe anything!

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

One of the more ridiculous "arguments" out there.

This is pretty funny. Of course this person speaks on behalf of their wife. "AI is the only choice."

I've explained this time and again, but let's explain this again. Disability is irrelevant in the AI argument.

Here are the reasons:

  • I cannot see disability in slop.
  • If disability is specified, I will still give my objective opinion regarding usage of AI.
  • Disability has nothing to do with the unethical nature of AI.
  • I will always stand alongside people who are disabled and who were negatively affected by AI.

What did these people do before AI became a thing?

Also, just have to love the tactic here:

"Buy my wife the accessibility tools, if you don't, you are a hypocrite and argument over."

Funny how this one felt entitled to someone else's money. Of course people who use AI feel entitled to other peoples' art.

Then again, it is easy to be generous with something that is not yours.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 1 month ago

a prime example of ad absurdum

Ad absurdum, a debate tactic where you take an argument and stretch it to its most extreme form.

In this case, the argument was that their "talent" goes away when electricity goes away. The "counter argument" to that was to take away all the limbs and enough muscle control so art couldn't be made using the mouth either.

This isn't a proper counter argument, because of the absurdity of it. Yeah, if you take virtually all functionality from a person, of course they aren't going to be able to make art. All it takes for prompters to have their "talent" taken away is a power spike, or data centers going offline or whatever.

Also, why not just make the person braindead at that point?

This doesn't invalidate the original argument either, it's basically just "See I took everything you could possibly use to make art, so your talent can go away as well.".

Let's also not forget they hate "inspiration porn" of disabled people making art, but they are more than willing to use the most extreme case to try and prove a point, which it didn't, it just made them look like an asshole.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 2 months ago

Regarding the poll results on when witty posts should be allowed

First off, I'd like to apologize how we handled earlier polling, which was due to problems with communication. The current poll is evenly split

However, as a moderator I shall withdraw my vote. So posting anything related to Witty is restricted to saturdays and sundays.

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u/RedditUser000aaa — 2 months ago

"We don't defend CSAM"

Another one's mask fell off. Yeah, it is also legal to goon to cartoon characters who are underaged, but grown people doing so are gross as hell.

Also spreading misinformation, as if Grok wasn't trained on CSAM, which was confirmed.

And also defending even generating that shit, no matter how it's done is just... Gross.

This isn't the first time I've seen this behavior. I'll say this much as an individual:

It is okay to go this far with people who defend shit like this. I bet this person also justifies getting their rocks off to depictions of underaged children, because they are actually "10,000 year old dragons, with the depiction and mannerisms of a 6 year old."

Legal, but I catch anyone I personally know doing that, I'll spread it far and wide, make sure people know what kind of person they are hanging out with.

This behavior is so fucking gross and morally bankrupt.

u/RedditUser000aaa — 2 months ago