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A couple discussions on the sub have led to the idea of a Nether-only mod.

There is already mods for a Nether-only respawn, which solves a problem a lot of us have face in the early days of ours NeOn worlds.

But we wondered : what if you could keep the vanilla feel, but widen the possibilities ,not having to rely on glitches and exploit to access overworld items ?

For exemple, nametags are not accessible at all, nor is the ability to enchant, but to me those features would fit well within Nether.

Here you have all the most "vanilla ideas" listed by members so far. There where some great suggestions for a more heavily modded Nether, that we might try and tackle later on if we can pull off the "simple" version first.

Feel free to suggest your own ideas if you like the project !

"NetherOnly+ Mod Ideas

combined with « Nether Start » «or « Nether Start Challenge » ?

RECIPES

• Blackstone or Nether stones for cobble/stone (piston, observer, repeater, dropper, dispenser, comparator, sticky piston, blast furnace, stonecutter, grindstone, lodestone, armor stand)

• Soulsand for sand (glass, TNT)

• Nametags with leather instead of paper

• Magma cream for slime (sticky piston)

LOOT TABLES

• Bastion chests (Compass, redstone)

• Fortress chests (Beetroot seeds)

MOBS/PLANTS/ORES

• Wandering trader On a Strider ?

MECHANICS

• Enchant with glowstone instead of lapis"

Its interesting to hear different people with different approches of Nether only survival.

In the discussions here on the sub, I've seen people going full vanilla, but a lot ask for what mods exists. Some are not against using legit game mechanics to their advantage, other prefer to not go on the Nether roof, or go Overworld-fishibg through a portal...

What are your thoughts? What is the most enjoyable to you ? What feels like cheating ?

I Play in Nether-Only survival, so no access to enchants other than loot chests and mob drops.

I get my most valuable resources with my gold farm, sand I like to collect the golden swords with the best enchants, and I combine them to make some frustrating swords that would be OP if they were not freaking gold.
However I will eventually use them, and I wondered : what is the best use I can make of them, especially my Looting swords ?
I also have fire aspect, sweeping edge, smite...
Thanks for your ideas !

I like to collect golden swords with good enchants from my ziglin gold farm, and I combine them to make some frustrating swords that would be OP if they were not freaking gold. However I will eventually use them, and I wondered : what is tye best use I can make of them, especially my Looting swords ?
I also have fire aspect, sweeping edge, smite...

sorry for the overall terrible quality and low framerate when there are a lot of entities, I overrestimated my laptop abilities to record and run Minecraft simultaneously :)
ps: I've put my favorite music disk in the back

Here are my favorites combos to build in Nether Only survival, but Im getting bored of them. Do you have any suggestion to give some variation to my base ? Also, I struggle to make gradients with the limited resources. As you can see I kind of have an orange to black, red to black and white to black, but I would love to find some good ones for warped and crimson wood, gold...

The Nether is, in the Minecraft community, an infamous traveling place: because of the size ratio between the Overworld and the Nether, it became the dimension of choice for traveling over long distances. Therefore, there are countless Nether hubs, Nether highways, ice tracks, railway systems...

But ironically, in Nether-Only, few of the traditional options still work, and most are very expensive. So how do you move around in hell? Let's dive right in.

First, let's break down the different traveling needs around a base or out in the wild. I've distinguished:

• Going up (elevators, ladders, flying...)
• Going down (drop chute, elevators...)
• Going fast, on a recurring path (ice tracks, piston bolts, railways...)
• Exploring

But also:

• Transporting items
• Transporting mobs

Starting with contraptions for around the base:

For going up, the default choices would be ladders, vines (twisted and weeping) that you can climb at the same speed as the ladder. If you want to go quicker than that, an option is **enderpearls ** ,even if it's less of a structure and more of a technique, or elevators. You can make a simple and extremely fast elevator by placing a column of minecarts spaced vertically every four blocks, resting on ladder blocks. However this solution is extremely expensive as it requires a lot of iron. A Nether-Only friendly equivalent consists of replacing the minecarts with striders with saddles. By riding a strider, or even swimming, you can also go up a lava column, but at a very slow pace and requiring the mandatory fire resistance potion, which makes this expensive option pretty much useless.

For going down, and after quite a lot of discussion here on Reddit (thanks everyone for contributing !), it seems that the very best option would be a piece of twisted vine on a solid block to break the fall, with the top sheared to stop the growth. A cheaper but slightly less practical/visually appealing alternative is to put a piece of string on top of it. Other possibilities include a ladder on which to clutch, as you can reliably do it by paneling the chute with trapdoors on the ladder side to avoid hitting the ladder's border.

Using lava the same way we would use water in the Overworld is tempting, but it turns out lava reduces fall damage very inconsistently, as you will take full damage if you fall from 12, 13, 17, 20, 23, 25, 26, 28, 30, 32, 35, 37, 39, 41, or 43 blocks, but not at other heights according to recent bug reports. And you will systematically die after a fall higher than 45 blocks. In addition to that, the way lava breaks your fall is not by negating fall damage the same way water does, but by slowing your vertical speed every tick until your speed is low enough that hitting the bottom of the magma pool won't kill you. So do your tests first if that's something you might try.

Other options are skill-based clutches that I will not include.

For going fast, the options are limited. There are always the railways, but their cost is very high, and as there are no powered rails in NeOn, you can only go fast downward. Your best shot is gonna be soul speed boots on a soul sand track. Soul sand is very abundant and bartering gives slots of it, and piglins also give soul speed boots. If you barter a lot like I do, you will collect boots faster than you wear them down. I think the ideal Nether-Only highway system is a network of bridges and tunnels paved with soul sand for this very reason. Even better if your roads are spawn-proof, blast-resistant, and lit.

And for exploring, the good "bridging-in-a-straight-line-until-I-hit-a-wall-then-I-dig-in-a-straight-line" never gets old. The problem with the Nether, if you don't use F3, is the unavailability of lodestone compasses, which kind of forces you to mark your way if you don't want to get lost. For that purpose I advise using gravel, as its color contrasts in every biome, it's pretty useless except for a couple of niche uses, and you get a ton of it with piglin bartering.

An alternative is strider exploring, as it allows you to travel on lava lakes, but at a reduced pace and without a good way to pave your way for the future.

I figured since we are on the transportation chapter, why not also talk about item transportation? So here are my tips for Nether-Only cargo trips.

• Use ender chests! Especially for your valuables. The Nether is a deadly place, and you never know if you'll make it back to base alive with a Bastion's worth of loot. So craft stacks of ender chests, always have some on you, and use them for bulk transportation as well as valuables delivery. I like to put my silk touch pickaxe in it, for whenever I need it, as well as an iron pickaxe for gold blocks, cause I don't want to lose my iron pick either. It can also be a good idea to use it as a fast transfer method between your farms, for example.
• Bundles seem obvious but are worth mentioning: when you don't have shulkers, they really save some precious inventory space.
• Minecarts can actually be decent for this specific use, since you don't need to go fast. Furnace minecarts can push minecarts with chests between your places - another possible addition to your highways.

For mobs, minecarts are really the only option for automated travel over big distances. You can lead chickens, hoglins and striders, but will have to rely on AI pathfinding for anything else. It is worth mentioning that hoglins on a lead won't attack you.

That's it for transportation! I hope some of you may learn something new or get inspired - as always your comments and additions are more than welcome, I will edit the post later to add them.

A couple days ago Ive asked in a post, https://www.reddit.com/r/NetherOnly/s/QcFa7ayugW, if it was possible to even have redstone or redston-y systems in a Nether only world. One person answered with a link to an obscure 3 years old YT channel, with only a dozen followers, which turns out being a goldmine of information. This channel is Arodihy's https://www.youtube.com/@Arodihy, and focuses on very niche contraptions that accomplish complex tasks like item sorting, without a single piece of redstone or overworld resources. They calls it "Nethestone", and I can only encourage you to watch their videos. They're pleasant to listen, very clear, and did several tutorials to explain the basics of Netherstones, as well as videos showing more complex machines.
If your interested in the technical side of Nether Only, definitely go check it out !

In found this technic, which is just a warped vine and a piece of string to prevent it from groing, but depending on where I install it, it can be pretty annoying to try and clic on things with the string in the way. Any idea ?

If the problem of the food is often the first problem (or maybe getting a golden piece of armor, depending on where you spawn), the second is usually smelting.
In the Overworld, fuel is abundant : there is wood everywhere, leaf litter burns, coal is very common and generate in big veins... But in the Nether, where fire is everywhere, taming it for your own use can be a struggle.

You see, Nether woods (technically fungus stems) cant burn. No ore can serve as fuel nor can any naturally occurring resource, at least early game. Thankfully, stems can be crafted into planks, and planks can be crafted into wooden objects that you can use as fuel. This is your first option.
Wooden tools, sticks, ladders, crafting tables can all be used as fuel, but the most efficient would be ladders, since sticks can only smelt 0.5 item each, where ladders (crafted with 7 sticks), can smelt 1.5 item, for an efficiency of 5.143 items smelted for each log, better than the 4 items/log with the stick method.

Another early-game option is to craft a soul campfire ! With one piece of soul sand or soul soil, three logs and three sticks, you get a way to cook for items at once, quicker than a furnace, and without ever needing to refuel it. Its definitely one of the best way to cook food at start, with the drawback that you need to stay close to harvest the cooked items and refill the campfire.

Another possibility is coal, mostly obtainable from Wither Skeleton drops (33% chance of dropping 1 coal). They are a decent fuel source that gives 8 items smelted for each piece of coal. But it is a tough enemy to fight with for such a small reward. Sure, you can easily block them, and your reach is greater than theirs, but you would have to spend hours in a fortress to get a dozen pieces of coal, clearly not an early-game friendly tactic. And if it is technically possible to make big and efficient Wither Skeleton farms, with the limited resources of the Nether, it would be a pretty late game strategy.

Once you got one piece of coal, you can craft a campfire, that will cook food exactly the same way a soul campfire would. However with the added advantage that when your break it with something else than a silk touch tool, the campfire will break into two charcoals, which makes it a way to dupe your coal, at the price of three logs and three sticks (maybe not the most profitable).

Now let's talk about my two favorites : Lava buckets and Blaze rods.
Lava buckets are pretty straightforward : if you have an iron bucket, in the Nether, you have infinite fuel. It is by far the best fuel in the game, with 100 items smelted for each bucket. But you obviously need iron first and, let's be honest, with a single bucket, you will spend your time going back and forth harvesting fresh lava. So, again, not a bad fuel source, especially if your base is close to a lava lake, but actually king of later game because of the amount of iron required.

Which leaves us with the Blaze rods. On paper, Blazes are pretty annoying : they spawn like crazy, shoot fireballs, have absurd range... But once you've bartered enough fire resistance potions with piglins, fighting them becomes pretty easy. At a drop rate of 50% percent chance for 1 rod, that each can smelt 12 items, it is a good middle ground between coal and lava.
But the cool part is that they are very farmable. A spawner can be disabled with a bunch of glowstone or shroomlight, letting you dig around the spawner to make some place for a spawning chamber. Just build a 10*10 cube around it, with 2 blocks of space above the spawner and 6 clocks below, and all the blaze will be yours. You only have to add 4 lava sources at each corner to push the Blazes in a killing chamber, and you got yourself a very simple yet very effective Blaze farm. With a couple stone axes, you can get stacks of Blaze rods very quickly for a good fuel source, potions, and the very important ender chests.

Thats it for the fuels ! Hope it helps, tell me if i missed anything !

edit : added both campfires, ty u/enixoid

Quick post to share the basics of eating in NeOn
Keep in mind this is just based on common advices and my own experience, I might have missed some stuff, or maybe Im not doing it optimaly. Feel free to respond to share your own perspective !

The n1 option to regen your hunger in the Nether is the mushroom stew. Traditionnaly crafted with a bowl, one red mushroom and one brown mushroom, i believe they will now be able to be crafted with only two of any mushroom, wich makes it even easier.
Its an actually decent food, restoring 6 hunger points or three icons, for a saturation restoration of 7.2, making it as good as cooked chicken or slightly better than bread.
The downside is that it is not stackable, wich makes it less practical for combat and emergencies. For me, mushroom stews are the perfect food for around the base, to save porkchops.
It is not well known but you can cultivate mushrooms ! Just plant them at light level 13 or below, and they will start to spread to adjacent blocks, making it a surprisingly good crop. If you have an abundance of bonemeal, you can also grow huge mushroom and break them to get quickly a ton of shrooms.

I wont classify it as an option give how bad it is, but rotten flesh can work in a pinch. Zombified piglin have a 50% chance of dropping 1, which makes it a very abundant resource, especially if you have a gold farm. It will regen 4 hunger, but has an almost negative saturation since it has an 80% chance of giving you the hunger effect. Its best to keep it for low-risk activities such as work around a well-protected base, to save on good foods.

The n2 option is cooked prokchops from hoglin. Thoses chunky monsters are pretty tough to kill compared to the overworld farm animals, but they will reward you with a higher drop rate of 2-4 raw porkchops + 0-1 leather. You can kill them with a lava bucket for instant porkchops, or light them on fire with a fire charge or flint and steel before killing them.
It is pretty tough to make a spawning hoglin farm without acces to the Nether roof, but you can do it the old school way in a pen. They can be bred using crimson fungus. But prepare to take a couple hits...

The n3 option are loot chests. Not a very renewable way of getting food, but definitly a way to get high quality snacks to have on you on a tough fight.
They can be found in two places : Ruined Portals and Bastion Remnant.
Ruined Portal
-20.5% chance of 1 Golden Apple
-7.3% chance of 4-12 Golden Carrots
-1.5% chance of 1 Encanhted Golden Apple

All Bastions
-24.4% chance of 1 Cooked Porkchop
-13.5% chance of 6-17 Golden Carrots
-10.1% chance of 1 Golden Apple

Hoglin Stables
-22.8% chance of 2-5 Cooked Porkchops
-22.8% chance of 2-5 Raw Porkchops
-10% chance of 8-17 Golden Carrots
-10% chance of 1 Golden Apple

Treasure
-5.9% chance of 1 Enchanted Golden Apple

And finally, the highly unlikely chicken ! Still obtainable in Nether Only thanks to chicken jockeys, with 100% chance to drop 1 raw chicken, this option is... Well its food. You wont survive on it given how rare it is, but it exist. Do you guys think we should be able to breed chicken in the Nether ?

Hope it helped !

edit : added chicken and rotten flesh, ty u/fzehh

Every once in a while, i find a chicken jockey in my Nether Only world (twice actually). The first one despawned before i could do anything, the second one I managed to leash it to a post, hoping that it wouldnt despawn, at least for long enough so i could figure a way to exploit it.

Turns out, chicken from chicken jokeys do not lay eggs, so no way to multiply it that way. I could breed it with a second one if i can prevent it from despawning, but you can only do so with seeds (any seeds : melon, pumpkin, beetroot, wheat...).
I dont think there is a way to find seeds in the Nether ? To my knowledge, beetroot seeds are only found in Ender Cities chests, you can't make pumpkin seeds from carved pumpkin (given that you can actually get one in the Nether, i have to work on that), and the closest thing in the nether would be the very rare Glistening-melon-in-a-chest-of-a-ruined-portal, but Im 90% sure you cant craft melon seeds from them.
Any idea to make my dream come true ? Maybe a gamerule or a way to "normalize" my chicken ? An obscure way to get seeds and prevent chicken from despawning ?