u/Remarkable_Note971

I hope ya'll don't mind me posting I haven't seen much in discussions in these groups now and that made me feel sad so I started posting to try and start discussions because i recently rewatched the movies and i apologize if this is stating the obvious and probably everyone already knows this anyway but it took me a bit to make the connection. It's really impossible to catch everything without rewatching and i haven't watched the movies as much as some people.

I think it was sad that Glinda had to go and celebrate with the ozians after Elphaba melted during no one mourns the wicked but I made a connection I hadn't realized before.

I realized that Glinda may have tried to get the Ozians to feel some sympathy for Elphaba by saying that Elphaba had a childhood like everyone else, telling the story of her birth and that she was bullied as a child and then by saying " so it couldn't have been easy...". She was trying to get them to understand how she was treated like garbage for most of her life.

That one munchkin girl asks Glinda " is it true you were her friend?" and Glinda responds "friend?....yes." When Glinda admitted she was Elphaba's friend she was met with shocked gasps and angry looks. Glinda realized from their reaction that what Elphaba told her was right. If she had tried to push the issue further, if she had tried to make them see the truth about Elphaba they would turn against her and she wouldn't be able to rule Oz so she backtracks by saying " that is our paths did cross at school....you must realize it was a long time ago." As sad as it was Glinda did the right thing IMO by not trying to clear Elphaba's name because she was able to change Oz, which is what Elphaba wanted. AS sad as it was that Elphaba would be remembered as the wicked witch she was right, if Glinda had tried to clear her name they would have just turned against her. She honored Elphaba's wish by not trying to clear her name and she honored Elphaba's memory by changing Oz.

What do ya'll think?

I hope ya'll don't mind me posting I haven't seen much in discussions in my groups for Wicked now and that made me feel sad so I started posting to try and start discussions because i recently rewatched the movies and i apologize if this is stating the obvious and probably everyone already knows this anyway but it took me a bit to make the connection. It's really impossible to catch everything without rewatching and i haven't watched the movies as much as some people.

I think it was sad that Glinda had to go and celebrate with the ozians after Elphaba melted during no one mourns the wicked but I made a connection I hadn't realized before.

I realized that Glinda may have tried to get the Ozians to feel some sympathy for Elphaba by saying that Elphaba had a childhood like everyone else, telling the story of her birth and that she was bullied as a child and then by saying " so it couldn't have been easy...". She was trying to get them to understand how she was treated like garbage for most of her life.

That one munchkin girl asks Glinda " is it true you were her friend?" and Glinda responds "friend?....yes." When Glinda admitted she was Elphaba's friend she was met with shocked gasps and angry looks. Glinda realized from their reaction that what Elphaba told her was right. If she had tried to push the issue further, if she had tried to make them see the truth about Elphaba they would turn against her and she wouldn't be able to rule Oz so she backtracks by saying " that is our paths did cross at school....you must realize it was a long time ago." As sad as it was Glinda did the right thing IMO by not trying to clear Elphaba's name because she was able to change Oz, which is what Elphaba wanted. AS sad as it was that Elphaba would be remembered as the wicked witch she was right, if Glinda had tried to clear her name they would have just turned against her. She honored Elphaba's wish by not trying to clear her name and she honored Elphaba's memory by changing Oz.

What do ya'll think?

Here's a Fiyero and Elphaba youtube edit I made if anyone wants to check it out.

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If anynone would like to join a wicked discussion group on facebook this is the link one i started where we can all discuss wicked.

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I think at first Glinda was jealous of Elphaba, Glinda wanted magic more than anything and Elphaba had it and Morrible chose to teach Elphaba, not Glinda so i definitely think Glinda was jealous of Elphaba until the Ozdust which is why she orginally didn't like Elphaba for a while. Glinda said her hearts desire was to be a sorceress and then Morrible chose to teach Elphaba over her.

Also I think the intial rivalry between Glinda and Elphaba was refreshing for Elphaba. Glinda disliked Elphaba for who she was not just cause she was green, it was actually about her not her skin and i think she thought that was refreshing and it seemed to amuse her.

That's what made Glinda dancing with Elphaba at the Ozdust significant because she saw the kindness in Elphaba and in that moment she didn't care what anyone thought. Glinda matured a bit in that scene and it was one time she actually didn't care what the others thought of her dancing with Elphaba, she was doing what she knew was right.

I felt so bad for Elphaba during the Ozdust scene, she was blindsided cause she thought she was finally being accepted when Glinda gave her the hat but she realized it was just a cruel joke which made it more poignant when Glinda danced with her. Glinda felt bad cause Elphaba did something for her which was probably the first time anyone did anything kind for her and she realized there was more to Elphaba than hostility.

What do ya'll think?

A facebook friend pointed this out to me but it's a cool thought. I have been confused by the scene where Morrible shields Elphaba from the rain in the first movie because water wouldn't actually harm her. My friend's thought is that it was part of Morrible's backup plan, like if Elphaba didn't join them she could spread the rumor that her soul was unclean and pure water could melt her so she put on the show of shielding her from the rain for people to see. That actually makes alot of sense, Morrible was manipulating things from the beginning.

What do ya'll think of this theory?

i just rewatched both movies and i had a thought about the first movie.

I was thinking about why Fiyero was unhappy in the first movie. He hid his unhappiness behind the charm and carefree attitude. The lyrics in dancing through are pretty depressing, it's basically about how nothing matters so why even try. That's how Elphaba know he's unhappy. So i was thinking about why he was unhappy and i wanted to share my thoughts about it.

Everyone saw Fiyero at surface level, they saw him as the charming, carefree prince just dancing through life. Everyone liked him, and he was popular because of who he pretended to be. I don't think he ever got close to anyone and no one ever really saw him until Elphaba. She saw right through the facade. So i think he was unhappy cause while he was popular and everyone liked him, he never really got close to anyone, and i imagine in some ways he was kinda lost, and he used his charm to hide a sense of emptiness and he may have been lonely, i think he wanted to loved and accepted like Elphaba and Elphaba gave him that and he gave that to her. That would be a pretty depressing life. All of that changed when he fell for Elphaba. That's also why he fell for her and why he was so loyal to her, she was the only person to "see" him and she liked who he really was a lot more than who he pretended to be.

What do ya'll think about this?