Kanadis and their COMPLETE distortion of Maratha history and Shivray.
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Kanadis and their COMPLETE distortion of Maratha history and Shivray.

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So the thing is that during the broader conflict which were taking around then, btwn Marathas and others. There was skirmish between Marathas and Belawadi Mallamas kingdom. She led a powerful resistance against Maratha forces by organising a women led force. But in the end she succumbed to the Maratha power as Marathas under Sakhuji Geakwad formally defeated her forces.

According to the historical accounts by Sir Jadunath Sarkar in Shivaji and His Times, Sakhuji Gaikwad led an attack on Belawadi and dishonored the captured Queen Mallamma (often called Savitribai).

Upon learning of this, a furious Chhatrapati Shivaji ordered Sakhuji Gaikwad’s eyes to be put out and imprisoned him. And personally honoured her and sent her back respectfully. Shivrai completely renounced his claim over her lands, stating he did not want her territory. He officially returned the sovereignty of Belawadi to her and ensured her young son would be recognized as the rightful heir under her regency.

To honor this remarkable reconciliation and mutual respect, Mallamma commissioned a unique stone sculpture. Found at the Yadawada temple in Dharwad, the carving uniquely depicts Shivaji holding Mallamma’s infant baby while Mallamma stands proudly beside him with a bow and arrow. It was made to symbolize how Shivaji viewed her with the respect of a mother or sister.

This was the episode. This was a symbol of Hindu unity and justice. About how he respected others. But rather than making this a symbol of unity, Kanadi historians completely distorted facts and tried to prove how he was defeated by Mallamas forces and was scared for his life!!!!!!!!!

Had it not been for him, she would've been in a different position altogether which I do not want to describe for the sake of argument over here.

It's funny that these ppl accuse us of distorting history whereas their historian have tried to do so.

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u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 — 13 hours ago
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The 2 important copper plates issued by Badami Chalukyas which made Marathi a classical language.

“...सुखसंकथा विनोदी राज्य करित दक्षिणदिसावरे दिगुविजय यात्री विजयं करवुन...”

When one think of these 2 plates, they often think of them as one. However these 2 are completely different altogether. The confusion likely arises because they are issued by same dynasty. These are namely of Satara and Nerur copper plates.

Nerur Copper Plates-

These are dated to 601CE. Even though the script is an old Southern Brahmi variation and the primary language is Sanskrit & they do not contain written Marathi text, they provide the essential historical, cultural, and geographical foundation of Maharashtra. They are critically valuable to Maharashtrian historians. Before historians can trace a language, they must trace the geography of the people who spoke it. The Nerur plates are among the oldest surviving physical documents to explicitly name villages and regions in the coastal Konkan heartland of Maharashtra. The plates serve as one of the oldest legal geographic records of the Konkan region in Maharashtra. They explicitly mention regional villages and land layouts—such as Kundivataka (modern-day Kundi or Kudal) and Nerur itself in the Sindhudurg district. Tracking how these ancient names evolved into modern Maharashtrian town names is a crucial method linguists use to trace the geographical footprint of early Maharashtrian culture. Local administrative terms, measurement systems, and colloquial names used in the Sanskrit text show a subtle blending of dialects. This linguistic overlap heavily influenced the early phonetic structure of what would eventually crystallize into distinct regional langs (like Malvani and Konkani).

  • Maharashtra Gazetteer, “Chapter 6: The Calukyas of Badami” — useful for historical framing of the Chalukya context and for placing the inscription within Konkan history.
  • History of the Konkan (A. K. Nairne) — useful for background on Konkan geography and the historical importance of the region, though not a direct epigraphic edition of the Nerur plates

Satara Copper Plates-

These plates have become very crucial for understanding the evolution of the Marathi language. These have put officially put an end to the missing link which for years had existed between Maharashtri Prakrut and Older Marathi.

The EXACT year when the Arab invaders were repelled by Chalukyan forces in the Battle of Navsari. These plates are dated to 739CE (Shaka Samvat 661) which were issued under Chalukyan king Vijayaditya, these plates contain both Sanskrit verses and lines written in an early dialect of Marathi. While the charter is predominantly in Sanskrit—the formal royal language of the era—the prose includes explicit, recognizable Marathi words (such as in lines 13–17). This proves that the local tongue was already taking on distinct Marathi structures well before the 13th-century literary standard.

The inscription explicitly mentions Karahataka (the ancient name for modern-day Karad) and references historical lore surrounding Hastinapur and King Janamejaya. This anchors the early vernacular language to the culture and geography of the Satara region in Maharashtra.

  • (Lines 1 to 12): Roughly 70% to 75% of the total text is in Sanskrit. Following standard imperial protocols of the Chalukyas, it opens with formal praises, religious invocations, and the official genealogy of the king. However, even within these first 12 lines, regional vocabulary and Marathi nouns begin to surface.
  • Proto-Marathi / Early Vernacular (Lines 13 to 17): Roughly 25% to 30% of the text is written in an early dialect. This section is a localized record written in a prose format that directly maps onto modern Marathi grammar, syntax, and vocabulary.

The Sanskrut sentences-

The text details the ancestry of King Vijayaditya, praising his military victories, his devotion to the deities, and his governance over the "Three Maharashtras" (a geographic region referenced in Chalukyan records). It states the legal terms of a grant or administrative decree being enacted in the region.

"By the command of the illustrious Vijayaditya, the asylum of the universe, the favorite of fortune and the earth, the great king of kings... let it be known to all administrative heads..." It serves as a legal preface to prove that the decree holds royal, divine backing.

The Marathi Sentences & Meaning

The transition into early Marathi occurs precisely when the text shifts from abstract royal praise to local geographical realities, regional folklore, and religious boundaries-

"परिक्षीतानिकुसुतजनमेजय चक्रवर्ती हस्तिनापुरी सुखसंकथा विनोदी राज्य करित दक्षिणदिसावरे दिगुविजय यात्री विजयं करवुन करहाटकंबलेश्वरदेवा संनिधी कटमेलिकार करवुन पितृ सत्रु निमीती सर्पयाग करित अहेंद्रभक्षक स्वहा!"

Word-by-Word Translation & Grammatical Breakdown:

  • परिक्षीतानिकुसुतजनमेजय चक्रवर्ती (Parikshita-nikusu-ta-Janamejaya Chakravarti): Emperor Janamejaya, the son of King Parikshit.
  • हस्तिनापुरी (Hastinapuri): In the city of Hastinapur.
  • सुखसंकथा विनोदी राज्य करित (Sukhasankatha vinodi rajya karit): Ruling happily and engaging in intellectual, joyful discourses (Note: "rajya karit" is an exact precursor to the modern Marathi phrase "राज्य करीत" meaning "while ruling").
  • दक्षिणदिसावरे दिगुविजय यात्री विजयं करवुन (Dakshina-disavare diguvijaya yatri vijayam karavun): Launching a military campaign toward the southern direction and securing a grand victory (Note: "karavun" directly evolves into the modern Marathi suffix "करवून" or "करून").
  • करहाटकंबलेश्वरदेवा संनिधी (Karahataka-mbaleshwaradeva sannidhi): In the presence of Lord Mahabaleshwar at Karahataka (the ancient name for modern-day Karad in Satara).
  • कटमेलिकार करवुन (Katamelikar karavun): Having organized a military camp or gathering of elites.
  • पितृ सत्रु निमीती सर्पयाग करित (Pitru satru nimiti sarpayaga karit): Performing the Sarpa Satra (snake sacrifice ritual) on account of his father’s enemies (Note: "karit" is the precursor to modern Marathi "करीत" or "करणे").
  • अहेंद्रभक्षक स्वाहा! (Ahendrabhakshaka svaha!): Offering sacrifices to the consumer of the king of serpents!

The Exact Combined Meaning:

>"While Emperor Janamejaya, the son of Parikshit, was ruling happily in Hastinapur engaged in pleasant discourses, he set out on a campaign of conquest toward the southern direction. Having secured victory, he established his camp in the vicinity of the deity Mahabaleshwar at Karahataka (Karad). There, to avenge his father's enemies, he performed the snake sacrifice, declaring: Swaha to the consumer of the serpent king!"

  • Rather than using the complex verb inflections of Sanskrit, these lines use auxiliary verbs like karit (doing) and karavun (having caused to do). This is the definitive foundational syntax unique to the Marathi language.
  • The "Dative" Suffix: The phrase “दक्षिणदिसावरे” (Dakshina-disavare, meaning "upon/towards the southern direction") demonstrates an early version of the Marathi locative/dative suffix (-वर / -वरे). This feature is entirely absent in Sanskrit but central to modern Marathi.

https://memarathi.wordpress.com/about/

https://www.satara.gov.in/en/history/

u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 — 10 hours ago
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A rare Old Marathi inscription issued by Kalyani Chalukyas.

The inscription is located at Hattarsang Kudal, a village in the South Solapur taluka of Maharashtra, right on the border with Karnataka. The temple sits exactly where the Bhima and Sina rivers meet in a rare, geometric "T" shape. The polished, well-carved stone slab measures 94 cm in length and 16 cm in width, with the letters standing neatly at 1 cm tall. The inscription is dated to (1018 CE), during the reign of the Western Chalukyas of Kalyani, likely during the tenure of Emperor Jayasimha II.

The inscription is carved on a stone beam (tulai) in the assembly hall (sabhamandapa) of the Shri Sangameshwar Temple.

This inscription served as crucial historical evidence presented to the Government of India to successfully secure the Classical Language (Abhijat Darja) status for Marathi, proving its ancient independent origin. It is also considered one of the earliest secular public endorsements of literacy and education anywhere in Western India.

The inscription is described as very short — about 2.5 lines. Its main text is said to be written in Nagari and Marathi, with the final blessing phrase in Marathi and the opening dating/formulaic part in Nagari/administrative style. The first two lines are primarily written in Sanskrit. They establish the formal elements of the grant, beginning with auspicious invocations ("Swasti Shri Shake 940 Kalayukta Samvatsare...") and tracking the numerical date (Śaka 940). While it contains some early hybrid vocabulary, the grammatical base of these lines is Sanskrit.

But the next line, is a very important one in Marathi. it reads "यवाछि तो विजेया हो ऐवा" (Ya vachi to vijeya hoiva). Marathi line is basically a blessing or victory wish for the reader as it literally translates to “The one who reads will be victorious.”

Discovered by historian Anand Kumbhar, this inscription predates the famous Dnyaneshwari (the foundational literary text of Marathi) by roughly 182 years! Linguists (such as Dr. S. G. Tulpule) noted that the syntax, verb endings, and sentence structures used in 1018 CE match the exact poetic grammar used centuries later by Saint Dnyaneshwar.

https://www.researchdirections.org/Management/pdfreadpage.php?filename=article468.pdf

u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 — 2 days ago
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Did Maharashtra exist all the way back in 3rd century BCE?

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So, according to the Buddhist text Mahavamsa and the mission list, after the third Buddhist council in the 3rd century BCE, a Buddhist monk named Mahādhammarakkhita specifically travelled upto the region known as 'Maharattha' where he is said to have preached Buddhist philosophy It does not necessarily mean the monk personally converted every individual one by one; rather, the chronicle presents him as the missionary responsible for spreading the teaching in that region, with public preaching leading to conversions and ordinations.

So, in this context, Mahāraṭṭha is being treated as a real region in the Buddhist literary tradition. If you know something about ancient Maharashtra, you'll understand how much active Buddhism was between Mauryan to Vakatakan period overall. MH had very active Buddhist sites near Kanheri, Junnar and Sopara.

https://ancient-buddhist-texts.net/Texts-and-Translations/Dipavamsa/08-Missions.htm

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u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 — 4 days ago

A person with username as "Kattar Hindu" who is from Badoda, says "Maharashtra is not open to migrants." Take a look at his account history.

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u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 — 7 days ago
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We have always been accommodating of people from other states, even when they openly hated us.

u/Sensitive_Bill_8916 — 7 days ago
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Karnataka Satavahanas, the Conquest of Maharashtra, and the Naneghat Inscriptions mention of Maharathi (Great Charioteer)

Karnataka Satavahanas, the Conquest of Maharashtra, and the Naneghat Inscription: Did It Really Mention "Marathas"? Obviously no.

One of the most frequently repeated claims on social media is that the famous Naneghat inscription of the Satavahanas mentions "Marathas" and therefore proves that the Satavahanas were a Marathi dynasty.

However, a close reading of the inscription and modern epigraphic scholarship tells a different story.

  1. The Earliest Known Satavahana Inscription Comes from Karnataka

The earliest presently known inscription mentioning the founder of the dynasty, Simuka (Chimuka) Satavahana, was discovered at Kanaganahalli (Sannati, Karnataka).

Since the earliest known epigraphic evidence of the dynasty comes from Karnataka, this discovery must be taken seriously in any discussion about Satavahana origins as it clearly points to Karnataka being the homeland.

The Kanaganahalli excavations demonstrate that the Satavahanas were already firmly established in the Karnataka region during the earliest phase of their history.

  1. The Naneghat Inscription Belongs to a Later Western Expansion or specifically the conquest of modern Maharashtra.

The famous Naneghat inscription was issued by Queen Naganika, wife of King Satakarni, and belongs to a later phase of Satavahana expansion into western Deccan regions, including present-day Maharashtra(ancient Karnataka).

The inscription is written in Prakrit using Brahmi script and primarily records:

- the genealogy of the Satavahana royal family,

- Vedic sacrifices performed by King Satakarni,

- royal donations and ritual performances.

It is not an ethnic manifesto.

  1. What Does the Inscription Actually Say?

The inscription mentions the title:

"Maharathi"

and also

"Maharathini (feminine form)."

Modern social media narratives often equate this word with "Maratha."This interpretation is not accepted by mainstream epigraphists who dismiss such claims as mere imagination of fringe groups.

The overwhelming scholarly view interprets:

Maharathi = Great Charioteer / Great Warrior / High Military Noble

The word derives from:

Maha + Ratha

literally meaning:

"Great chariot warrior" or "great chieftain."

The feminine form:

"Maharathini"

simply means:

"wife/daughter of a Maharathi."

In fact, Queen Naganika herself is described as:

daughter of the Maharathi Tranakayira.

Thus, "Maharathi" in the inscription is clearly functioning as an aristocratic or military title.

  1. Why the "Maratha" Interpretation Is Problematic

If "Maharathi" in the 1st century BCE referred to the later Maratha ethnos, several questions arise:

- Why do subsequent inscriptions for many centuries not clearly use it as an ethnic designation?

- Why do medieval sources treat "Maratha" as a much later socio-political identity?

- Why does the inscription itself use the term in a clearly titulary context?

The inscription never states:

"We are Marathas."

It simply refers to titled nobles called Maharathis.

  1. What Historians Actually Conclude

The Naneghat inscription proves:

✔ The Satavahanas conquered Maharashtra regions.

✔ Prakrit was used in inscriptions.

✔ The dynasty performed major Vedic sacrifices.

✔ Elite nobles carried the title Maharathi.

Conclusion

The currently available evidence shows that:

- the earliest known Satavahana inscription comes from Kanaganahalli in Karnataka,

- the Naneghat inscription belongs to a later phase of western expansion,

- the famous term Maharathi is understood by epigraphists as a military-aristocratic title meaning "great charioteer" or "great warrior," not as a reference to the later Maratha ethnos.

History should be based on inscriptions as they are actually read by epigraphists, not on retrospective projections of modern identities into the ancient past.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naneghat

u/RashtrakutaNexus_794 — 8 days ago