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The last one is quite a good question. Maybe we'll see some Quincies too, not just deceased Captains in the arc that can't be named? Sauce

The recent Red vs Tai blog made me realize just how underused Digimon is on the show, especially after Pokemon fans started saying that "Digimon fans can't handle it when they lose one (1) time to Pokemon". Meanwhile, Pokemon doesn't just have a bunch of episodes, but also one of the few in-verse matchups and a battle royale episode.

On the other hand, Digimon got one episode almost 10 years ago, then another that many fans feel only existed to give Pokemon fans a pity win. And after that, Death Battle has basically ignored Digimon and its fans to this day, with no sure sign of another Digimon matchup ever happening.

I'm far from a Sentry expert or anything, so if there are any other arguments, feel free to share them in the comments.

He has been constantly shown to resist matter manipulation down to the molecular and quantum level, and can survive being reduced to just an atom or less.

Molecule Man, who can rewrite reality, torned apart his molecules and blows up his whole body, leaving nothing behind. The Sentry just puts himself together and then overpowers Molecule Man in his own game.

Even time travel shenanigans doesn't matter. Morgan le Fay used time travel to remove The Sentry from existence. Guess what? In the end of the comics he just returns like nothing happened.

In fact, Sentry's main power is reality warping, what can change the whole world and even affect events through time. Heck, it's stated that Scarlet Witch's House of M retcon is nothing compared to what he can do.

There is also the argument that the Sentry has possessed similar plot and story manipulation from the very beginning. He's directly influenced his real-world writers and shaped his own creation, basically retconning himself into the narrative of Marvel Comics.

And lastly, it's stated that the Sentry's serum created a phase-shift effect causing his molecules and atoms to be a step ahead of the current timeline. This made his powers limitless, conquering time and space itself, and he also became literally immortal and omnipotent.

All these things can be argued either way. But what I think totally changes the debate is if they use a composed Sentry or compare him to his The Age of The Sentry self from Earth-1611.

In this comic, there's a cosmic entity called Destroyer Darkmass, and he has absolute authority over Sentry's original Earth. He constantly remakes and unmakes that reality, fragmenting its timestream on millions of levels and creating a whole multiverse of possibilities. He can even destroy all these timelines simply with a wave of his hand.

And Sentry's true form survived this endless retcon and destruction, then moved to his current Earth, a reality that was subconsciously changed by his power to allow him to exist. The mere presence of The Sentry alters the rules of time and space, creates a secondary timestream, reshapes the universe, and rewrites history. Simply, he passively retcons everything.

At the end of the comic, we find out that it was Reed Richards' made-up theory, which he told Franklin as a bedtime story. But it's left very ambiguous whether it's actually true, with the writer dropping not so subtle "maybe the story really happened" hints. So I’m not sure if Death Battle will use it or not.

But what do you think? Death Battle often uses composite versions of characters or feats from their alternate-universe counterparts as supporting evidence. And do you think that this would be enough to counter SPB's Retcon Punch?

I'm far from a Sentry expert or anything, so if there are any other arguments, feel free to share them in the comments.

He has been constantly shown to resist matter manipulation down to the molecular and quantum level, and can survive being reduced to just an atom or less.

Molecule Man, who can rewrite reality, torned apart his molecules and blows up his whole body, leaving nothing behind. The Sentry just puts himself together and then overpowers Molecule Man in his own game.

Even time travel shenanigans doesn't matter. Morgan le Fay used time travel to remove The Sentry from existence. Guess what? In the end of the comics he just returns like nothing happened.

In fact, Sentry's main power is reality warping, what can change the whole world and even affect events through time. Heck, it's stated that Scarlet Witch's House of M retcon is nothing compared to what he can do.

There is also the argument that the Sentry has possessed similar plot and story manipulation from the very beginning. He's directly influenced his real-world writers and shaped his own creation, basically retconning himself into the narrative of Marvel Comics.

And lastly, it's stated that the Sentry's serum created a phase-shift effect causing his molecules and atoms to be a step ahead of the current timeline. This made his powers limitless, conquering time and space itself, and he also became immortal and omnipotent.

All these things can be argued either way. But what I think totally changes the debate is if they use a composed Sentry or compare him to his The Age of The Sentry self from Earth-1611.

In this comic, there's a cosmic entity called Destroyer Darkmass, and he has absolute authority over Sentry's original Earth. He constantly remakes and unmakes that reality, fragmenting its timestream on millions of levels and creating a whole multiverse of possibilities. He can even destroy all these timelines simply with a wave of his hand.

And Sentry's true form survived this endless retcon and destruction, then moved to his current Earth, a reality that was subconsciously changed by his power to allow him to exist. The mere presence of The Sentry alters the rules of time and space, creates a secondary timestream, reshapes the universe, and rewrites history. Simply, he passively retcons everything.

At the end of the comic, we find out that it was Reed Richards' made-up theory, which he told Franklin as a bedtime story. But it's left very ambiguous whether it's actually true, with the writer dropping not so subtle "maybe the story really happened" hints. So I’m not sure if Death Battle will use it or not.

But what do you think? Death Battle constantly uses composite versions of the combatants or feats from their alternate-universe counterparts as supporting evidence. And do you think this is enough to counter SPB's Retcon Punch?

(The Amazing Extraordinary Friends) Captain Extraordinary flies from Earth to the Sun and tricks an alien fleet to dive into it. The resulting explosion then pushes him back, causing him to crash-land on Earth.

It almost instantly creates what is specifically stated to be a thunderstorm. How does the lightning she shot compare to the speed of real cloud-to-ground lightning? (Source: 0:45)

In the Gru vs Megamind Death Battle, they claimed that her lightning is not really lightning, but just electricity that only moves at Mach 0.51 speed. This is why I am asking this question, because their calculation just sounds ridiculously slow.

But really, what was up with Megamind's research? They must've worked hard to ignore the better options, feats, and scaling Megamind gets from the TV show. Or how they also left out his many gadgets and wincons in the analysis.

They cherry-picked this one instance where they could argue for electricity speed instead of lightning speed to downplay Megamind's speed. Meanwhile, they ignored every other example where it's canonically confirmed that Lady Doppler shoots lightning from her hands, and the half dozen of times when Megamind dodged those.

They intentionally didn't use the Death Ray’s better feat of pushing the 10-miles wide comet into Earth, which is calculated to have a much higher scaling (9.52 teratons) than what they originally gave the Death Ray with the observatory feat.

And we can bring up a bunch of other feats from the TV show that Death Battle didn't even mention. Like, his laser feats alone would make him arguably faster than Gru's best speeds, or Megamind boosting the De-Gun with the Invisible Car's cold fusion generator scales higher than any weapon Gru has in his arsenal. And so forth, and so on.

Also, I think they leaned too much into the "ShOoT ThEm WiTh tHe DeHyDrAtIoN GuN" meme.

They literally bring up that Megamind "never used" the De-Gun against the Doom Syndicate as an example that he doesn’t use his tech effectively and won’t draw first. Sorry, but shouldn’t we be judging the combatants at their best? Because that was only true in the second movie, and afterward, in the TV show, he uses the De-Gun all the time.

His first move is literally to shoot at the Doom Syndicate and other villains with the De-Gun right from the start. Of course, he doesn’t kill anyone because it’s a kids’ show, but he still defeats them with the De-mobilize, De-ep Freeze, De-bilitate, De-balance, De-moralize, and other settings. Not even mentioning his other inventions.

Megamind even later teaches a kid that being a hero isn’t about throwing catchphrases and posturing while fighting a villain, but about doing the right thing. So I think Death Battle heavily over-exaggerated his supposed flaw.

It honestly feels like Death Battle went out of their way to give Megamind the lowest possible scaling.

As someone who actually watched the Megamind TV show, I would like to clear up some things.

First of all, Lady Doppler's power is weather manipulation. She can create and masterfully control storms, tornadoes, lightning, etc.

The context to this scene that Death Battle used for their argument:

In the episode, Lady Doppler goes to a power plant and threatens the heroes with her lightning. She then seemingly steals electricity from the generators and says she will use the city's own power to destroy it. In the end, Megamind soaks her with a firehose and remarks that water and electricity don't mix. And she is then defeated when the generators short-circuit from the water and zap her.

I think Death Battle's argument is that because she absorbed electricity, she's only capable of shooting electricity. Which sounds strange, because a bunch of lightning user superheroes are capable of absorbing electricity, but we don't argue that their lightning is not actual lightning. Like, I'm sure that over the years, Thor has used his hammer to absorbs electricity from robots or machines, but no one has ever claimed that his thunderbolts are subsonic speed.

Also, she calls her power lightning. But isn’t she a terrible forecaster who doesn't know what she's talking about, making this invalid? Yes, but actually no. Because others also confirms that SHE SHOOTS LIGHTNING and capable of creating thunderstorms. And from her origin story we know that her power is to bend, alter, and summon lightning from her hands.

Besides, she DOESN'T absorb electricity at any moment before or after this one scene. It just sounds ridiculous that they didn't done the bare minimum of research to find out that Lady Doppler canonically shoots lightning from her hands. Or that they just ignored every other example when she is clearly NOT absorbing electricity, and the half dozen of times when Megamind dodged those.

It really feels like they cherry-picked this one instance where they could argue for electricity speed instead of lightning speed just to get the lowest possible scaling for Megamind.

So there is a beam struggle to end all beam struggles.

For a while, it seemed like the laser Mega Minion had this in the bag, but it all changed after the G1 Blog. Apparently, the Death Ray's 10-miles wide comet feat is 9.52 teratons and way more powerful than Mega Minion Mel's 64.6 megatons feat of piercing the planet.

But I can't wait to see how it turns out tomorrow in the Gru vs Megamind fight. We've waited for it and talked about it so much. Can you imagine if the beam struggle doesn't actually happen in the episode?

I’ve seen some misconceptions flying around about the Stone of Transference. It’s not too surprising, since most people haven’t seen the Megamind TV show (rightfully so), so they don’t know any better. However, some of the reasoning being mindlessly parroted is simply wrong or disingenuous.

So, as someone who actually watched Megamind Rules!, I would like to clear a few things up:

>The Stone of Transference just swaps superpowers and only if both people touch it. Also, it has the drawback of Megamind losing his intelligence, giving it to the Minions.

First of all, when we talk about the Stone of Transference stealing powers, we mean when it is used with a Megamind's Mega-Vacuum. In that case, there is no risk of removing Megamind’s intelligence or any other drawbacks. It is also shown to work from far away, depowering multiple villains all at once to just an average human level. And what’s more, it can even bestow the stolen superpowers to others.

>Megamind doesn’t own the Stone, and he only used it in one episode.

Gru doesn’t own the Zodiac Stone. He only used it for a minute at most, and in the end it was taken away by the AVL. But he still gets it included in both the G1 blog and fan discussions. On the other hand, the Stone of Transference is still in Megamind’s lair, and it is never shown being taken away or given back to Metro Man.

>It was Machiavillain who used the Stone with the vacuum machine, so it can't be included in Megamind’s arsenal. And it would take too long for Megamind to figure out how to use it or set it up.

Megamind has used the Stone of Transference before. The Mega-Vacuum is his own invention. And as I said above, he kept both of these things combined, it was never dismantled or destroyed.

For some reason, some people (cough Gru fanboys cough) like to pretend that it’s just too hard for Megamind to put it together or use it, when that’s not the case at all. Machiavillain simply placed the Stone on the side of the Mega-Vacuum, pointed it in the Doom Syndicate’s general direction, and pulled a switch. That’s all there is to it. It didn’t even take a minute to assemble, activate, and steal superpowers.

Besides, Minion was there the whole time, so he knows how to use it, especially since he regularly uses the vacuum and can even fix it. The Brainbots are constantly recording, so they should have footage showing how it works. And Megamind put Machiavillain’s consciousness into his smartphone, making him his personal digital assistant. So Megamind could even order him to explain how to use it.

>Maybe it can steal the Mega Minions’ superpowers, but the regular Minions don’t have powers. Their extreme durability is just a natural part of their biology.

Just like how Megamind’s hypermind and Metro Man’s own extreme durability and other powers are just inherent parts of their alien species.

But the Stone didn’t just take away Megamind’s supergenius, it also reduced his basic intellect. Metro Man didn’t just give away his super strength, but also what we would consider the natural strength of his body to function, to the point that he could hardly stand up or lift a notebook. In the same way, it made Behemoth, a big lava-rock monster, shrink and become no stronger than a regular human.

All in all, the Stone of Transference doesn’t only steal “superpowers”, but also stats, depowering the victims to just average or below human level. And would do the same to the regular Minions too.

>The Mega Minions’ and basic Minions’ powers would be useless in Megamind’s hands. It’s out of character for him to use superpowers, and he’d suck at handling them, just like how he struggled the first time with the Metro Man suit.

In the TV show, after running out of options, Megamind and Metro Man switched superpowers. Megamind quickly learned how to use Metro Man’s real powers without much trouble. It didn’t take him long to fly proficiently, throw fire trucks, and use X-ray and laser vision. So by now, he’d be okay with using superpowers, and especially familiar enough with how to use the same abilities that the Metro Man suit or serum has.

So, I don’t think it’s too far-fetched to say that Megamind can use the Stone of Transference and the Mega-Vacuum to steal superpowers. It really feels like a desperate cop-out to take away one of Megamind’s wincons, which could make Gru’s minion army useless.