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Islam has a Major Contradiction and is False. I made a similar post but not a single Muslim stepped up to counter it, I assume because the post was very long and detailed so I’ll try keep it short this time.

1. Islam claims Allah is good.
2. The Quran appeals to reason.
3. There is zero undeniable evidence that Islam is from God, all current “proofs” presented by Muslims are weak and easily refuted (scientific, linguistic, preservation) require subjective faith or retrofitting, none rise to the level of objective certainty required to justify eternal torture for a skeptic.
4. Allah punishes people for rejecting Islam.

Because the Quran ties its truth claims to human reason, failing the test of reason means the system cannot be true. This is a hard unreconcilable contradiction and therefore Islam cannot be true.

I found religious people don’t inherently care about God, truth or proof but rather care about not being wrong, and protecting their identity, as even though the contention here is strong and undeniable, it’s not something that will ever be admitted or accepted (unless the person is completely intellectually honest which is extremely rare), even though it logically refutes the framework at hand.

Made a post on r/DebateReligion about how Islam has a very blatant contradiction of how it’s a contradiction to claim God is good, have appeals to reason in the Quran, have zero undeniable proof as well as having many issues (pointed out how all the current “proofs” are all weak and invalid), and then have God punish people for rejecting the religion, is a hard contradiction and not a single Muslim came and stepped up to resolve the contradiction.

It’s almost as if they know they have no answers, but even when hit in the face with how Islam is logically impossible, they just run. It made me realize most Muslims arnt even remotely concerned with truth or God, they care more about their egos, identity and not being wrong than about the truth or God.

Islam claims God is perfectly just, yet promises eternal Hell for those who reject it. Because the Quran repeatedly appeals to human reason (2:164, 10:100), rejecting the religion due to a lack of undeniable evidence is not only justified but contradictory to punish due to the lack of undeniable evidence. Punishing someone for using the intellect God gave them is a massive internal contradiction. Excuses like Allah doesn’t punish until message is received or fully understood don’t resolve this as even after receiving the full undistorted message, there is no evidence in it, it requires faith and it not backed up by legitimate evidence.

When scrutinized, the primary "proofs" crumble:
• Preservation: The claim of perfect preservation is not completely historically true. Islamic tradition admits to lost Ahruf (variant modes), missing text eaten by a goat (Ibn Majah 1944), and forgotten chapters (Sahih Muslim 1050). Even if it were preserved, that proves human scribal dedication, not divine authorship.
• Inimitability (I'jaz): The challenge to produce a chapter like it is entirely subjective. Other scriptures match or exceed its depth. The Bhagavad Gita is also written in complex, mathematically precise Sanskrit poetic meters while arguably containing more philosophical depth, and the Tao Te Ching possesses unmatched philosophical precision and The Guru Granth Sahib in its entire 1,430-page scripture is composed in strict classical Indian musical measures while binding deep spiritual philosophy to rigid, mathematical musical constraints, a structural feat that remains entirely unrepeatable. These are just to name a few, the Quran is unique by no means and many religious texts easily match its challenge. Structurally, the Quran uses unmetered rhymed prose, which 7th-century Arabs considered a step down from complex metered poetry. Rival prophets like Musaylimah wrote in the exact same style and gained thousands of followers; they failed due to losing geopolitical wars, not "bad grammar". The challenge is not only subjective, but it doesn’t hold.
• Prophecies: Famous examples like the Roman victory (30:2-4) are vague and retrofittable. Tbh apart from that one there doesn’t seem to be any other arguable prophecies, None require divine foresight.
• Science: Mainstream apologists have largely abandoned the "scientific miracles" narrative because it relies on retrofitted mistranslations. Where the Quran gets specific about science, it is factually wrong: claiming semen originates or emerges between the backbone and ribs (86:6-7), and stating bones form before flesh (biology proves they develop simultaneously). The Quran's use of the Arabic conjunction "fa" (a sequential conjunction) rather than "wa" (a non sequential conjunction) solidifies this scientific error, even if you interpret the bone as the collagenous framework before bone, it’s still scientifically incorrect.
• Fitrah: No such inclination exists that Islam (or any religion) is the true religion. There are multiple studies in Cognitive Science of Religion (CSR) and Developmental Psychology, which show children have “Fitrah” for the specific religion of whatever culture or family they grow up around, whether that be atheistic, polytheistic or monotheistic. But even then Fitrah is about belief in one God not the religion of Islam so this generally doesn’t apply to the contention at hand.

There is zero objective proof that Islam is divine. No good evidence exists for it being from God and this leads to a contradiction within the religion. Expecting humans to use their reason, and then torturing them for reaching a rational, skeptical conclusion, completely destroys and contradicts the narrative of a benevolent God. Imo most religious people don’t inherently care about God, truth or proof but rather care about not being wrong, and protecting their egos and identity, as even though the contention here is strong and undeniable, it’s not something that will ever be admitted or accepted (unless the person is completely intellectually honest which is extremely rare for a religious person), even though it logically refutes the framework at hand. Because the Quran ties its truth claims to human reason, failing the test of reason means the system cannot be true.

A God being good, fair and just but also punishing people for picking the wrong religion or rejecting a religion that has no proof for it, is a complete contradiction and collapses Christianity (and all Abrahamic faiths) as a coherent or valid truth claim.

Without evidence of Christianity being the one true religion it falls into this contradiction. When I asked a Christian for proof he wasn’t able to provide anything apart from “coherentism” and strawmanning other religions, neither of which are proofs. So unless some sort of legitimate evidence exists, Christianity falls into contradiction and cannot be a coherent framework or truth. So what is the evidence for Christianity that prevents this contradiction?