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Let’s say Kaido is planning to kill himself by taking his whole fleet and storming the holy land. Shanks, wanting to preserve world order, sends a messenger to Kaido to tell him off, but the messenger is killed, prompting shanks to declare a war with Kaido.

The red hair pirates, in addition to their allies like Elbaf, vs the animal kingdom pirates, who might also be able to force some of their associated crews to fight for them.

Kaido is still in wano and shanks is in Elbaf when the war is declared. Who would win this war?

Hello people of OPPS0. Me and my partner u/evelne are arguing for Kuzan > Mihawk today.

This take is not popular, so I’ll actually start today by debunking some common arguments, as to open your mind.

1- Kuzan is a swordsman

This just isn’t true. We’ve seen him conjure a sword once when toying with fodder- but in every actual fight we’ve seen him in, he dosent use one.

2- Mihawk>Shanks>admirals

There is no basis for the claim that shanks is stronger than the admirals- especially since Kuzan has only become stronger since marineford. The only scene that can be used to prove this is the Greenbull scene, but there were so many factors to that scene- Greenbull was terrified for a large variety of reasons, and he’s canonically dramatic. Besides, Greenbull is the weakest admiral.

Btw, the admirals are more directly implied to be stronger than Loki than shanks is… just saying.

3- admirals are fodder

Simply not true. The gorosei imply that an admiral would be able to handle a beast like Loki, and Akainu beat a yonko 1v1.

4- Kuzan got weaker post timeskip

There is no rational reason for this belief. Kuzan is following his heart now as a free spirit, which always makes you stronger in OP. This take is only pushed by disingenuous downplayers.

Now, If you’ll indulge me, I’d love to go over the reasons I believe Kuzan is stronger.

1- Whitebeard chainscale

In marineford, mihawk directly admits inferiority to Whitebeard. The translation is contentious, but when the other option is him measuring physical distance (unlikely), I think it is fair to use this interpretation, especially since it matches the themes and narrative of the arc. So, Mihawk < Cancerbeard.

Now, that very same cancerbeard had a fierce battle with Akainu. This was a fight Akainu won with a relatively low amount of difficulty- he took some major hits, but he ultimately blew whitebeards face off with a magma punch.

Now, that very same Akainu went on to have a 10 day extreme diff battle with Kuzan. This would already put pre timeskip Kuzan over Mihawk.

2- Kuzan got stronger post timeskip

We see time and time again in this series that you become stronger the closer you come to your dream or the more independent you become. Kuzan quit the navy and is following his heart as a pirate now- in addition to a 10 day battle haki bloom. He definitely has gotten much stronger since marineford.

3- strongest government fighting force statement

The admirals were stated to be the strongest fighting force in the government pre timeskip. As this was pre timeskip, this statement would include Mihawk, directly scaling all 3 admirals over Mihawk.

Thank you for reading. Please remember that Kuzan is on the “it all depends on who finds the one piece” panel and Mihawk isn’t despite both of them being YCs. Have a nice day.

Either that, or the entire old gen is fodder and Roger is racist

I cannot stress enough how obvious this is. This post is to see how many people here genuinely watch or read one piece without their eyes closed

Btw, whitebeard was likely referring to Roger’s prophecy here, which was “someone will surpass us one day”

Luffy is on there twice because he can be in either of those places depending on how long his timer is and whether he can restart it which seem to be basically random variables every chapter

Zoro is opposed to hierarchy’s and shows no fear towards characters who call themselves gods.

He has great endurance feats and can fight even while heavily injured.

I have no doubt that after Loki is defeated, zoro will use king of hell and ashura to stall imu while luffy finishes his meal.

Imu will be surprised that someone without an ancient connection or devil fruit (ryuma is a bum) could be so powerful. Lots of glaze upcoming.

Laugh while you can… Zoro will keep Imu at bay to protect his captain. ⚔️ 🗡️ 🏴‍☠️