The false Islamophobic binary between being "Bengali" v.s. "Muslim"

A lot of secular people complain about how religious people hate Bengali culture and want to LARP as Thobe-wearing desert Arabs.

But what they don't say that this inferiority complex is the direct result of their own projections of what "Bengali" culture is like; projections carried over from Colonial-era cultural imperialism by Kolkata Bhodrloks.

The projection is that Bengali culture is fundamentally un-Islamic and incompatible with organic expressions of Muslim identity (e.g., religious clothing or Perso-Arabic vocabulary), which are labelled as "foreign" and "Arab/Pakistani".

Thus, a Muslim cannot be a "true" "সংস্কৃতিমনা" Bengali without ditching such expressions and devaluing his Muslim identity, reducing it down to a worthless cosmetic label.

With many Bengali Muslims themselves internalising this idea due to education and cultural propaganda, they end up facing a huge identity crisis and feel that they cannot be "Bengali" and "Muslim" simultaneously, and thus must ditch one of those identities.

They thus end up taking the following routes:

  1. *"Islam is un-Bengali, thus I must stop being visibly Muslim and become a 'pure' Bengali"*

  2. *"Islam is un-Bengali, thus I must stop being visibly Bengali and become as 'Arab' and 'Sahih' as possible"*

They appear to be polar opposites, but in reality they are results of the same cultural brainwashing they've been equally exposed to since childhood.

Thus, the Arab-LARPing you see among Islamists and religious people is not purely due to religious zealotry, but also a predictable result of the chauvinistic views fed to them by the Dhaka/Kolkata-centric elite.

This is all a huge shame, since the beauty of Bengali culture is undoubtedly in its syncretic nature. People like Kazi Nazrul routinely wrote poems putting the names of Hindu deities and Islamic angels side-by-side.

Painting Bengali culture as inherently "un-Islamic" while denying this history is highly disingenuous at best and paving the way to cultural genocide at worst.

(Edit: Minor grammar and wording changes)

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 1 day ago

Logic 101: Why Post-July Bangladesh's problems don't justify simping for the Awami League or discrediting July

To keep things simple for smooth-brained BAL supporters, I'll try to be as concise and brief as possible, so apologies for the ChatGPT-esque writing style.

So you think that:

> "Post-July Bangladesh has changed little compared to Hasina's regime. Not only is corruption, poverty, crime, etc still high as ever, but religious extremism is also on the rise."

That is a fair critique. Even July veterans routinely talk about these issues and acknowledge that lasting change is still miles away. No disputes here.

But then you say,

> "...therefore, the July Uprising was unnecessary (if not dangerous) and the country was better off during the BAL era. #joybangla #julycdi

That is where the bkacda dalali factor slips out.

You curse post-July Bangladesh for corruption and extremism, but turn around and suck up to the BAL regime that:

  1. Was even more corrupt, violent and economically destructive.

  2. Laid the structural foundation for the corruption, hardships and injustice in today's Bangladesh.

  3. Turned one radical Islamist group (Jamaat) into public martyrs by torturing and murdering them......

  4. .....while also tolerating and abetting another group's extremism (Hefazat) as long as it didn't affect state power.

While also pretending to not know why so many people willingly risked their lives to topple said regime.

Yep, nothing contradictory and idiotic about this stance. Y'all are very logical and good-faithed people, dare I say.

Stephanie should take notes, because you guys suck even more like a vacuum than she does.

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 4 days ago

Hot take: Ideological labels (e.g., "Liberal" or "Islamist") are a meaningless show.

This is a fundamental reality of micro-level political discourse in Bangladeshi society. To most people, an ideology is not a set of values and ideals to abide by, but rather "Brazil vs Argentina"-esque tribalism which is purely cosmetic.

Wrote this because I am honestly sick of the terminally "left/right" and "liberal/conservative"-coded binary mindset I see in this sub. People here act as if a person's entire personality and worldview hinges on which "-ist" or "-ive" he calls himself.

People are multidimensional and can also be hypocrites. A self-proclaimed "Islamist" may brag about a high bodycount; a "liberal" may slander a woman's character behind her back. Things like these happen all the time, because decorative political labels don't stop people from acting out who they actually are.

Actions speak louder than words, and certainly far louder than a purely decorational ideological tag.

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 6 days ago

How did T.E. Lawrence react to the Sykes-Picot Agreement?

He lived and fought alongside the Arabs against the Ottomans, only for his home country to swoop in and double-cross them through a naked land grab.

What did "Lawrence of Arabia" think of this? Was his reaction one of disappointment or indifference?

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 17 days ago

How was Bangladesh's economy able to bounce back so fast despite decades of exploitation, famine and war (especially compared to India and Pakistan)?

Even though I am Bangladeshi myself, I've always been baffled by this.

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After fighting for and gaining its independence in 1971, Bangladesh was a complete trainwreck: post-war devastation, widespread looting by both Pakistani and Indian soldiers, corruption, starvation, etc. Henry Kissinger actually wasn't exaggerating that much when he refered to Bangladesh as a "bottomless basket case".

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And yet, it still managed to not only rebuild and stabilise but, in subsequent decades, even achieved unprecedented growth. Today, many of its socioeconomic indicators are better than even India and Pakistan, both of which had a decades-long headstart and nowhere near as ravaged by war and famine.

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How was this possible?

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 24 days ago

About the "it's all just a test" response to all suffering and injustices taking place on God's watch: Why?

I usually don't agree with with sub on quite a lot of issues, but I figured this is still the best place to post. People here would at least be more constructive than, say, in r/Islam.

When we see all the sorrow, oppression and unfairness taking place all over the world--how honest, hardworking people suffer while tyrants and snakes get away scot free--we often ask why a kind and merciful God would put his creations through all of this suffering.

We are invariably told that "it's a test from God", as if all of this hardship is just a temporary prelude to some kind of eternal pleasure and fulfilness (in this world or the next), while wrongdoers will also inevitably face justice sooner or later.

Aside from the fact that this "final reward" or "ultimate justice" never comes for countless people (at least in this world), why would God put his subjects through these "tests" to begin with? If God was truly both merciful and omnipotent, wouldn't he eliminate all of those hardships and ensure a truly carefree existence for his creations?

Now, to be clear, I am no Atheist or ex-Muslim, nor do I want this post to serve as ammunition for Islamophobia or anti-theism. However, during times of hardship, I often find myself sympathising with Atheists who also tend to ask these kinds of questions.

Like, why would God let his creations suffer so much just to "test" them?

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago
▲ 5 r/sylhet

What's all the recent fuss about Hawkers in Sylhet city?

It's literally all over my Facebook feed.

Apparently, a lot of roadside vendors and hawkers have been staging some kind of huge protest in response to the SCC evicting them from the streets. It has already been an issue for a couple of years, but things are really heating up quite a bit right now.

Of course, the comment sections (and most of the "Free Sylot" pages) are so full of bigotry towards "Abadis" that it felt like I accidentally walked into a Sylheti KKK rally. But I'm not delving too much into this topic since it has already been talked to death in this sub.

However, although FB comments generally tend to be a terrible representation of public opinion, a very large portion of Sylhetis do appear to be very much against the protests.

I've been away from Sylhet for over 3 years now, and so am kinda out of the loop regarding whatever's going on there. So can anyone who still lives there enlighten me regarding what is actually going on?

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago
▲ 14 r/arabs

How do Muslim Arabs view their language in context of their religion? Does Arabic hold any major religious significance to them like it does to most non-Arab Muslims?

Gist is in the title basically. Arabic is deeply revered by many non-Arab Muslims (especially in South Asia), and knowledge and fluency in Arabic is often seen as strong evidence of religious devotion. This often leads to cases where religious non-Arab Muslims go out of their way to incorporate Arabic words into their daily vocabulary while also trying to sound more "Arab" (e.g., by saying "Ramadan" instead of "Ramazan", or "Suhoor" instead of "Sehri").

Of course, this is all very understandable since Arabic is the liturgical language of Islam, and the Quran (a.k.a, the *literal word of God himself* for Muslims) is also written in Arabic. I'm passing no particular judgement here.

However, I am curious as to how Muslims *Arabs* view their own language in this regard. I'm under the impression that, since they actually use Arabic in all aspects of their lives (not just religion), that religious reverence of Arabic would be a lot less potent.

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago

Why do you think is extremist politics not as mainstream or openly accepted in BD, as it is in India?

Even if Jamaat or other such groups are just as bad as the BJP deep down, they don't seem to have the courage to be blunt or open about their extremist views, and very often get ridiculed or criticised when they do have slip ups.

Meanwhile, BJP politicians are out publically espousing genocidal rhetoric towards Indian Muslims. Assam's CM's (Chief Minister) casually posts images of himself pointing a gun at Muslim caricatures and gets applauded for it. Not to mention how WB's new CM publically says things like, "Only Muslims voted for Trinomool, Hindus and everyone else voted for us".

Imagine if Sadik Kayem openly said stuff like "only Muslims voted for Shibir, Hindus voted for League and Baam". The entirety of Bangladeshi social media would be up in arms, and Sadik's political opponents would have a field day tearing apart his reputation.

Not saying that extremism isn't a major problem in BD either, but why isn't it allowed to roam as freely in BD as it is in India?

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago
▲ 9 r/sylhet

The following text outlines my own observations regarding the state of Sylhet's economy (particularly Sylhet city). It explores the factors that makes Sylhet's economy truly unique from other regions in BD, as well as their implications for Sylhet's long-term economic tragectory.

I personally tended to feel pretty pessimistic regarding Sylhet's economic future.

  1. The handful of sectors Sylhet's economy excessively depends on (e.g., remittances, tourism, tea) are not only at the mercy of external factors beyond its control, but remittances in particular (which have long insulated Sylhetis from the socioeconomic realities of BD) are also about to be hit hard by economic downturns + stricter immigration laws in the West.

  2. Although those remittances have done wonders for Sylhet's economy in the past, they've also led people to neglect other vital sectors such as education, investment and infrastructure, resulting in a Nauru-esque "resource curse" of sorts:

> "why study for a degree or build a new road in my village, when I can just hop onto a plane to Heathrow and make a quick buck that way?"

The result is widespread poverty and low social mobility (especially for those living in tea plantations or haor areas) among those without the backing of rich relatives.

  1. The prosperity stereotypically associated with Sylhet is also only really true for a minority of very rich and influential families rather than the majority. This steep social inequality, coupled with the aforementioned economic insulation, has created a tribalist and reactionary climate that is hostile towards any whiff of dissent or social change.

Given these factors, I'm highly doubtful whether Sylhet can develop economically while still retaining its unique cultural identity. It isn't just the poverty or standards of living for the majority, but also the friction between the strong reactionary elements of Sylheti society and the rapid social changes it will inevitably have to confront, which will cause a lot of social upheaval and internal resentment later down the line.

Although the presence of many Sylheti people in the new BNP government may offer a glimmer of hope, even they cannot do much if the underlying structural issues I mentioned aren't addressed. It is high time the more educated or better off of Sylhet's residents discussed all of these issues more openly and loudly.

Even with all of those social constraints, awareness and acknowledgement can go a long way into laying the groundwork for positive change in the long-run.

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago

The Fast and Thinking models work just fine (tho the response times seem a bit long), but the Pro model almost instantly crashes with a "Something went wrong" message literally every time I give it a prompt.

Am I the only one having this issue? Or is Gemini Pro itself not working right now?

I don't have a Pro subscription btw

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago

Türkiye under Atatürk is well known for its very radical and controversial French-style secularism. It viewed the Ottomans as religiously backwards, and instead sought to push religion away public life and disassociate Turkish identity from Islam. Needless to say, they weren't very fond of Islam or religion in general.

So why the hell does their flag still has that crescent on it? It's not only the most universally recognisable symbol of Islam, but the specific type of crescent is also basically the exact one used by those "backwards" Ottomans. It's basically equivalent to the Jacobins putting a cross on the French flag.

**(In case that latter statement sounds hyperbolic, keep in mind that Atatürk's policies were and are extremely radical and controversial by wider Muslim standards of the time, even if they're pretty benign from a modern European perspective)**

So why is this the case? If the Turks really wanted to de-emphasize their Muslim identity in favor of a purely ethnic Turkish one, wouldn't they not want a crescent (an explicit symbol of Islam) on their national flag?

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago
▲ 8 r/sylhet

Straight to the point: I am Sylheti by birth (as in I was fully born and raised there) but have non-Sylheti parents. I'm kind of in an uncanny valley where I'm noy fully Sylheti, but not fully "Abadi" either.

And this puts me in a hilarious contempt crossfire between both racist Sylhetis *and* racist non-Sylhetis. The former hate me for being an "Abadi", while the latter hate me for being "Sylodi" or having a "Sylodi" (read: "geraimma" or "oshuddho") accent.

For one, although I *personally* never really faced much hate or contempt from other Sylhetis for my origins, many of my other relatives *have* often complained about the whole "Abadi" garbage they face from other "purer" Sylhetis.

But then I move outside of Sylhet (Dhaka, specifically), and non-Sylhetis (not all or most, but still many) treat me either as an "oshikkhito gorib" for my non-standard accent, or as an exotic circus animal whose entire identity hinges on being a Sylheti with a "funny accent". Although I'm sure a lot of them didn't actually mean it, I've often felt singled out as an unwelcome foreigner or minority regardless.

This is probably why many other Sylhetis often avoid revealing their Sylheti identity to non-Sylhetis, especially if they live outside Sylhet, 'cause they understandably don't want to face that kind of shit.

If there is a moral to this story (I don't like writing posts without conclusions), it is that hate and prejudice has no identity or origin. It doesn't matter if you're Sylheti or not; if you're act like an asshole, you *are* an asshole and deserved to be treated as such.

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u/Tanksfly1939 — 2 months ago