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Female Characters Double Standards

Anyone else feel like the female characters get judged way harsher than the male characters?

Sammi: She was abandoned by Frank as a kid and had to raise Chuckie all by herself. She spent years wanting a family and finally thought she had one, only to be manipulated by Frank and treated like an outsider by the Gallaghers. Carl got her son sent to juvie, and while what she did after (turning Ian in) was obviously messed up, people act like she was just born evil and completely ignore everything that led up to it.

Svetlana: She honestly had one of the saddest backstories in the show. She was trafficked from Eastern Europe, forced into sex work, raped by Terry, got pregnant because of it, and basically spent her whole life doing whatever she had to just to survive. Yeah, what she did with the Alibi and Kev and V's finances was wrong, but manipulation was literally how she'd survived for years. People are way quicker to call her a villain than acknowledge where she came from.

Fiona: She became the parent when she was still a kid herself. Frank and Monica were useless, so she spent years raising six siblings, working multiple jobs, dropping out of school, sacrificing relationships, and even becoming their legal guardian just so they wouldn't end up in foster care. She made some huge mistakes, especially with Liam, but people act like those mistakes erase over a decade of her basically giving up her own life to raise kids that weren't even hers.

Debbie: Debbie gets so much hate, and don't get me wrong, she definitely made some terrible choices later on. But people forget she was literally a child who grew up being parentified. She was always helping with Liam, cleaning, cooking, taking care of the house, and looking after everyone. She wanted love and stability because she'd never really had it. I'd honestly argue she looked out for the family more than Lip did when they were younger.

Veronica: People are so quick to call V selfish whenever she put herself first, especially after having the twins. She struggled with motherhood, felt like she'd lost her identity, and was trying to balance being a mom, running the Alibi, and keeping her relationship together. She wasn't perfect, but it's weird how she's criticized so much for wanting a life outside of taking care of everyone else.

Meanwhile...

Lip: Everyone always falls back on the "wasted potential" argument. Yeah, he was smart, but he was also constantly judging Fiona while expecting her to keep taking care of him and everyone else forever. He had no problem relying on her, but the second she slipped up, he acted like she was the worst person alive.

Ian: I know he's bipolar, and that explains a lot of his actions, but it doesn't excuse everything. He still put Fiona through so much, from enlisting under Lip's identity to the whole Gay Jesus thing. Most of the time Fiona was just trying to help him, yet she ended up getting blamed anyway.

Mickey: I love Mickey, but let's be real for a second. He was literally a violent criminal for a good chunk of the show. He beat people up, threatened people, stole, and solved almost every problem with violence. His upbringing explains why he was like that, but somehow people are way more willing to forgive him than they are women who also had horrific childhoods.

Kev: This one always gets me. People will drag V for dancing with another guy or going on a date during a rough patch, but Kev literally slept with multiple college girls. Somehow that's brushed off way easier.

I'm not saying the women were innocent because they definitely weren't. They all did awful things at different points. I just think it's interesting that whenever a guy does something terrible, people are quick to bring up his trauma, mental illness, or difficult childhood. But when it's a woman, all that nuance suddenly disappears and she's just "the worst character in the show."

u/VideoExpensive8416 — 1 day ago

Don't separate the art from the artist.

I've always thought the whole "separate the art from the artist" argument is nonsense. At the end of the day, the art doesn't exist independently of the person who created it. If an artist is a rapist, a pedophile, a murderer, or has committed other serious crimes, continuing to support their work is still supporting them.

You wouldn't knowingly support a company if its CEO had done those things, so why should artists get a pass just because they're talented? Being good at making art doesn't erase who you are or what you've done.

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u/VideoExpensive8416 — 6 days ago

AI gets way more hate than it deserves.

I think a lot of the hate AI gets is irrational.

Every time a new technology appears, people predict it'll ruin society. They said it about calculators, the internet, smartphones, Wikipedia, and even books at one point. Yet we adapted, learned how to use them responsibly, and they became part of everyday life.

I think AI will be the same.

People treat using AI like it's somehow lazy or unethical by default. I don't see it that way. If you're using it to cheat on an exam or scam people, that's obviously wrong. But using AI to learn, brainstorm, debug code, explain concepts, summarize information, or improve your writing is no different than using Google, YouTube, or spellcheck. It's just a more powerful tool.

The part that confuses me is when people proudly say they'll never touch AI because they think it "does the thinking for you." That mindset reminds me of people who refused to use search engines because they thought memorizing everything was better.

Meanwhile, AI is helping doctors detect diseases earlier, speeding up drug discovery, helping blind people understand their surroundings, providing real-time translation, making education more accessible, improving disaster prediction, and assisting scientists with research that would otherwise take much longer.

We're still in the early stages, and it's already doing all that.

I think 20 years from now, knowing how to use AI effectively will be viewed as a basic skill, just like knowing how to use the internet is today. The people refusing to learn it because of principle aren't making a statement—they're making themselves less prepared for the future.

PS: I asked AI to help me polish a post defending AI. It felt thematically appropriate.

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u/VideoExpensive8416 — 8 days ago

Would Fiona Ever Leave ?

We all know Fiona left because Emmy Rossum decided to leave Shameless. But if Emmy had stayed, do y'all think Fiona would have ever left the South Side ?

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u/VideoExpensive8416 — 10 days ago

Not every historical drama needs to be historically accurate.

I don't understand why people expect every historical drama to function like a documentary. If your primary goal is to learn history, there are history books, documentaries, and academic sources for that.

A historical drama is still a drama. Its main purpose is to tell an engaging story, not recreate every event exactly as it happened. If changing timelines, characters, or certain events makes for a better story, I don't think that's inherently a bad thing.

Obviously, I don't support intentionally spreading misinformation or pretending fiction is fact. But I think people are far too quick to dismiss a good show or movie simply because it isn't 100% historically accurate.

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u/VideoExpensive8416 — 11 days ago

Jay's character development

Unpopular opinion: Jay isn't as great of a person as this fandom makes him out to be.

I know the common argument is that "he had amazing character development," but when I really think about it... how far did he actually come?

First, he was an objectively terrible father to Claire and Mitchell when they were growing up. He was emotionally distant, overly critical, and expected them to simply deal with it. People often say, "Well, he was a much better dad to Manny," and I agree - to an extent. But being a better father to one child doesn't erase the damage he caused to his other two. He was already a fully grown adult when Claire and Mitchell were kids. They were the ones who had to grow up carrying the consequences of his parenting.

Mitchell especially got the short end of the stick. Jay struggled to accept him for who he was and made countless insensitive comments throughout the series. Even by the later seasons, he never seemed completely comfortable with Mitchell and Cam's relationship. Compare the way he treats Claire and Phil to the way he treats Mitchell and Cam. He constantly jokes about Cam, questions their relationship, and rarely gives them the same warmth or enthusiasm he shows Claire and Phil. It always felt like there was a double standard.

Some examples:

  • Jay openly admits he had trouble accepting Mitchell after he came out.
  • He repeatedly makes uncomfortable jokes about Mitchell and Cam throughout the series.
  • Mitchell spends years craving Jay's approval, and that's a recurring theme for almost the entire show.
  • Jay eventually walks Mitchell down the aisle at the wedding, which is a sweet moment, but it comes after years of emotional distance. One big gesture doesn't undo decades of hurt.

I also don't think he really repaired his relationship with Mitchell the way he did with Claire. Claire gets multiple storylines where Jay apologizes, supports her, or tells her he's proud of her. Mitchell gets some nice moments too, but they feel fewer and farther between, and he's still often the butt of Jay's jokes.

Another thing that bothered me is how, in the later seasons, Jay often just goes along with whatever Gloria wants, even when it negatively affects Claire or Mitchell. It sometimes feels like he's more focused on keeping Gloria happy than standing up for or prioritizing his original family. (Not saying he shouldn't support his wife, but there are definitely moments where the balance feels off.)

Don't get me wrong -I think Jay is one of the funniest characters on the show, and I do think he changes. I just don't think his growth is as complete or as exceptional as people claim. The bar for fathers in sitcoms is often so low that simply becoming "less bad" gets treated like incredible character development.

Curious to hear what everyone else thinks. Do you think Jay's redemption fully makes up for the way he treated Claire and Mitchell, or do people overrate his growth?

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u/VideoExpensive8416 — 23 days ago