u/goddess_catherine

In light of the recent issues regarding a certain family involved in this case I just want to remind everyone of a few things:

• Don’t stoop to their level. Venting here is fine, but don’t dox or post anything that can be portrayed as a threat or as harassment. We can talk about their recent interviews and we can debunk their lies but let’s not give them any ammo to come after us.

• Don’t go “real life”. Unless you know them personally, please avoid texting/calling/messaging etc them or any of the people involved in this case.

• Keep the focus on the 4 victims as well as the ongoing legal battle that BK is facing. All the other stuff is just fluff, noise, and a distraction. The most important thing here is justice for the victims.

A few users in this sub have done wonderful detective work and found that the email address does appear to belong to a certain person. However let’s remember that he could have been hacked, or it could be another family member on his email account. So while we’re pretty certain we know who it is, it’s still not 100% confirmed. Julez has said she sent the email and the information to the FBI so it’s in their hands now and hopefully it’s taken with the seriousness it deserves.

I think I speak for mostly all of us here in this sub when I say that we stand by our YouTubers and our content creators. They’ve done incredible work and we don’t want to see anybody being threatened or harassed. I’ve also been wondering if the same “Eddie” person who sent Lana threats could be the same person who sent Julez that email. It’s easy to make a throwaway email account so maybe the whole “Eddie” name is made up and perhaps it’s all the same person, just my opinion. It’s just very odd timing that two very well known and well respected creators would both get threatening emails within 24 hours of each other. Logic tells me that it’s likely to be coming from the same individual, whoever it may be.

We also respect the victims families here, and we only call out the bullshit when the bullshit needs to be called out. We don’t condone any sort of doxing, threatening, misinformation, lying, etc. This isn’t just about one particular family, but the other 3 families (4, technically) are being impacted by this as well with all of this stuff being in the news again and the ongoing interviews. So let’s be gentle and considerate of that.

Anyway, all the members of this sub have been amazing thus far and I want to keep it that way so I’m just posting this to remind everyone not to let the fuckery get to us bc that’s exactly what certain people are hoping for. They want to divide the community and tear us down but we won’t allow it and we won’t stoop to their level. 😊

I’m at my gym working out and there’s an older gentleman wearing blue rubber gloves while he works out😭 The guilters would call him a quad murderer if they saw this shit🤣

See people really do wear gloves for non-nefarious reasons!

I’m making this post just as a clarifying tool so people can understand exactly what BK is claiming in his PCR filing.

Disclaimer: I’m basing this solely off what we’ve seen so far that Bryan has claimed. We won’t know more information until the “official” filing is posted by his attorneys.

I keep seeing so many people only telling half the story or saying that Bryan is just grasping at straws.

What BK is claiming is not just one thing, it’s the totality of his claims when combined that tells the whole story.

His filing states that he wishes to withdraw the guilty plea and go to trial, due to:

• Being threatened or coerced by his attorneys.

• Not being told about exculpatory evidence (hair).

• Disinformation.

• Being told it was okay to lie to the court and that actual guilt was not an important factor.

• His attorneys telling him he would have a better life not on death row and would be afforded more freedom within the prison and essentially a more “cushy” life.

• Being told that “death row is imminent”.

• Being told to lie.

For some reason people like to pick one or two things from this list and single them out, but it’s not about the weight of each individual claim, it’s the totality of all claims when combined.

Not being told about exculpatory evidence and being told that death row is basically a guarantee if you go to trial, is a threat. Using his family and scaring them with horror stories about death row then using the family to talk him into it, is coercion. Had he known about the exculpatory evidence, he may have decided to not take a plea deal.

He’s not whining like a bitch about prison life, nor is he bored. It is absolutely in no way shape or form within Anne Taylor’s scope to make false promises about which cell block he would be in or making guarantees regarding his freedom of movement or employment within the prison. That is NOT her place to say that, and if she made those claims, that’s a massive issue. The only one who decides what happens to a prisoner is the prison itself, it’s up to the facility to determine where an inmate gets housed and whether they’re considered high-risk and whatnot. He’s saying she made false promises outside her scope. Plus, he’s being housed in J block anyway which is the death row block. So not only did she make false promises, those promises fell flat bc he’s still essentially living a “death row” daily lifestyle (without the death part).

But in my opinion, the single most important factor here is that according to Dr Turvey, Bryan was adamant about NOT taking a plea, with Anne Taylor telling Turvey “I can’t get him to take the plea”. This means Bryan felt one way, but his attorney did not respect his wishes and continued to bombard him with horror stories and threats until she got her way. Even going so far as to enlist his entire family to also nag him for 2 days until he changed his mind. That means the plea was not willing or voluntary. Yes he stood up in court and said it was, but it wasn’t. Him saying that just means it was part of the plan when his attorneys told him to go in court and lie.

The totality of these claims are very serious. It’s not some small thing to roll our eyes at.

This is even more problematic when considering that he is an autistic man, and autistic individuals are at a higher risk of being bullied, threatened, and can be easier to coerce.

Especially when you combine these claims with the totality of the evidence of the case, we know there’s no connection, we know there’s massive issues with chain of custody of the sheath, and a lot of confusion surrounding the IGG and where Bryan’s name even came from. It’s a hell of a lot easier to prove your innocence when you’ve got massive evidence issues, zero connections to the victims, and no motive.

I hope this clears up some things and helps it make a bit more sense since of course mainstream media and certain people will only tell 1 piece of the story while ignoring the seriousness of his claims.

Why have the investigators, prosecution team, and even the defense team, seemingly accepted that Dylan must have been mistaken when she says she heard Kaylee running up/down the stairs saying “there’s someone here” and insist that it must have actually been Xana instead.

What proof is there that it was Xana? None that we’ve seen but we haven’t seen everything yet.

Dylan was very consistent throughout every interview that it was in fact Kaylee she heard on the stairs, not anyone else. It’s one thing that stayed the same even when other parts of her story changed.

They want us to accept “oh she must have been mistaken”, but then by their logic how do we know she wasn’t mistaken when she saw the white man in a black mask? How do we know that description is even true or valid if they’re claiming that Dylan was mistaken that night?

We can’t pick and choose which parts to believe and which parts to change to fit a narrative.

Kaylee’s single source blood was found on the beer pong table in the living room. It’s more plausible Kaylee was confronted and/or attacked in the living room and perhaps ran upstairs seeking Maddie for help, isn’t it?

Why does the story hinge on Kaylee and Maddie being in bed together when attacked?

This is something that has been bothering me for a while. What do you guys think?

Dr Turvey was on with Donna Rotunno on YouTube.

Dr Turvey says that Anne Taylor was pressuring Bryan to take the plea deal because he didn’t want to. She told Turvey “I couldn’t get him to take the plea”. She allegedly told Bryan horror stories of what life on death row would be like, then Anne went and enlisted Bryan’s family to further pressure him and it took nearly two days of convincing before he agreed.

If true, that’s crazy!

Dr Turvey says Bryan wasn’t provided any of the defense reports when preparing for trial, and that Bryan allegedly had no idea Dr Turvey even existed until he went on with the Custody Queens a few months ago. Turvey says he was contacted by the Kohberger family afterward and was told this. Turvey says he spoke with the Kohberger family then handed them off to someone with more legal knowledge than he has.

Dr Turvey says that Anne Taylor’s office is under investigation for being at fault for the Dateline leak.

He says that one third of the cases investigated by the Innocence Project involve defendants who were forced to “confess” and plead guilty by their attorneys, only to later be found innocent.

In regard to the hair in Ethan’s hand, he made an interesting remark that stood out to me. Anne Taylor asked him “what if the hair belongs to someone in the house?”. Which he responded “well we need to find out”.

Why would Anne Taylor be concerned about that? It’s almost like she didn’t want to test it out of fear it would come back to a certain person or persons… (in my opinion, allegedly of course).

He describes it as being at least 30 strands and approx 10 inches long (he didn’t say 10 inches but he holds his hands up and says it’s about this long).

Donna asked him about the report that says the hair is Ethan’s own, and Dr Turvey says that was simply a guess by the expert. There’s been absolutely no DNA testing done on the hair to find out who it belongs to.

Here’s the link: https://youtu.be/pFT\_5pVaewU?si=HlOk8t\_s-eq8lYAC

Christopher Whitcomb, author of Broken Plea, did an interview yesterday with Lana from Truth and Transparency on YouTube.

The one with the Custody Queens was great, but Lana really knows how to dig deep and get answers out of him. So far nothing new, but I’m only about halfway through. I’ll update if anything big happens.

Also there’s a new G fam interview on Sean Hannity. I haven’t watched it yet but I saw a clip that Julez shared. SG lying again as per usual, claiming that there was multiple fingerprints all over the button of the sheath and that the state had an expert who was going to testify to the age of those fingerprints and when they got there. This is SO FUCKING FALSE.

The lab reports literally tell us no fingerprints were ever found on the sheath. And the defense and prosecution experts both agreed that there is currently no way to determine how or when DNA got onto an object. Not just this sheath in this case, but any DNA in any case anywhere. It’s not forensically possible to determine.

At this point these channels need to STOP giving them a platform to spread blatant misinformation orrrrr these channels need to be prepared to do a full fact checking session and debunk everything these fools are saying. For someone who seems so “sue happy” as SG, he should really be careful because he’s talking himself right into several lawsuits and has been for a whileeee.

At some point this week I’ll watch the full interview and recap. I’ll have to prepare myself ahead of time for the incoming high blood pressure and headache. 😅

I’m going through them now. 👀

I’m not well-versed about this stuff so if anyone knows or has firsthand experience, I have a general question regarding the presumption of innocence.

Let’s say BK gets granted a new trial and everything goes back to pre-trial status, does that mean news stations and whoever else will have to go back to saying “alleged killer” and whatnot?

What happens to all the documentaries and shows that refer to him as a convicted killer? Are those situations protected because he technically is a convicted killer at the time of those shows being created?

Also, I’ve heard that if he withdraws the plea successfully that him pleading guilty could still be used against him in a new trial. Is that correct?

I’m just curious how this all works.

Investigation Discovery is having a documentary come out on the 6th called “Catching Kohberger”.

If I remember correctly, during one of Christopher Whitcomb’s 5,000 interviews he said there’s going to be a documentary featuring law enforcement who believe BK is innocent. He said it would be on a big name network.

Soooo I’m wondering if this will be the one he was talking about?

I guess we’ll see👀☕️🍿