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Why did two families from neighboring Prekmurje villages report such different languages and identities around 1900?

I am researching two separate families from a small cluster of villages in northern Prekmurje, then part of Vas County in the Kingdom of Hungary. The main places are Ropoča, Pertoča, Adrijanci, and Šulinci, with later connections to Lucova and Čepinci.

The first family, the Donosas, had a local South Slavic surname and roots in Ropoča and Pertoča, but the emigrant generation repeatedly identified as Hungarian or Magyar. One member lived in Graz. Another married a woman from Vienna who identified as German, while he identified as Magyar on the same record.

The second family, the Balleks, came from Adrijanci and Šulinci. Their records are much less consistent. Some members reported Hungarian as their mother tongue. In one census, Hungarian was entered and then changed to German. Other close relatives were identified as Slovene. One emigrant was first classified as Slovak, then corrected to Slovene, while his language was recorded as Croatian.

How should this contrast be understood in the social and linguistic context of northern Prekmurje around 1880 to 1914?

Were differences like these likely to reflect actual variation between households and siblings, or are they more likely to be artifacts of immigration and census record-keeping?

What factors, such as schooling, religion, occupation, marriage, military service, or migration through Graz and Vienna, most strongly shaped whether someone from this region identified as Magyar, Slovene, or German?

I would also appreciate recommendations for scholarship on everyday language use and identity in Prekmurje or western Vas County, especially work that goes beyond official census categories.

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u/matt_mp4 — 7 days ago
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I recently discovered my family is from Prekmurje. I’d love to learn more.

Hi everyone!

I’m an American who’s been researching my family history, and I recently discovered that one branch of my family comes from Prekmurje, specifically the villages of Ropoča and Pertoča. For most of my life I thought this side of my family was entirely Polish, so discovering these Slovene roots has been a huge surprise.

I’ve read about the history of the region being under Hungary for centuries, but I’d love to hear about it from people who actually know Prekmurje.
What makes Prekmurje feel different from the rest of Slovenia? If someone from Ljubljana met someone from Ropoča or Pertoča, would they immediately notice differences in dialect, culture, personality, or traditions? Are there stereotypes (good or bad) about people from the region?

I’m also curious how much Hungarian influence still exists today. Is it something you see every day, or is it mostly historical? And if my ancestors left around 100 years ago, what would life in a village like Ropoča or Pertoča have been like back then?

Finally, my family’s surname was Donoša (Americanized to Donosa after immigrating). Is that a surname you’ve come across before, or does it sound familiar to anyone?

I’ve attached one of the only old family photos I have from Slovenia. I don’t know exactly where it was taken, but I’d love to know if anything about the house or architecture stands out to someone from the region.

Thanks! I’m really excited to learn more about this part of my family’s history.

u/matt_mp4 — 14 days ago
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Prekmurje Slovene Results?

These screenshots compare my dad’s (“You”) results on the left with his father’s (“US”) on the right. NOTE: I know about the view-DNA-by-parent mode; I unfortunately lost access to my grandfather’s account, so this is all I have to rely on.

My dad’s mother was German-Irish, while his father’s ancestry was Polish and Slovene. The Slovene line traces to Prekmurje, but I’m having trouble figuring out how Ancestry is categorizing it.
The comparison helps separate some of the ancestry. My grandfather has 39% Southern Poland, 29% North Central Europe, 9% Eastern Czechia, and small amounts of Northwestern Germany, Western Ukraine, Lithuania, Southwestern Balkans, and Crete. My dad inherited 36% Southern Poland, 10% North Central Europe, 4% Eastern Czechia, and some other Central European categories, while most of his Irish and British results clearly come from his mother.

My main question is which parts of my grandfather’s estimate are most likely representing his Prekmurje ancestry. North Central Europe seems like the biggest possibility, but Prekmurje is obviously much farther southeast than that label suggests. It may also be getting divided among Eastern Czechia, Southern Germanic Europe, the Balkans, and other neighboring categories.

Does anyone here have documented ancestry from Prekmurje or northeastern Slovenia/surrounding Austro-Hungarian borderlands? How does it appear in your AncestryDNA estimate? I’d be especially interested in seeing results from someone whose family is mostly or entirely from that region.

u/matt_mp4 — 14 days ago