Illusion of causality.

Causality is the explanation for two events in succession. The prior event is termed as “cause” and the next event is termed as “effect” with the assumption that the “cause-event” necessitates the “effect-event”.

But what exactly is the nature of this necessity? Is this necessity an imposition/deception/illusion of the mind or an something more? What could the nature of this necessity look like? Another cause? But then that creates the same question, what is the relationship/necessity between those two explanations? Does the cause actually determine the effect? Modern science is shockingly undecided as of now.

In our capacity to think about causes and effects using science and reason, can we ever come to clarity of why an effect comes after a cause? To me it seems like all we can ever think about is a never ending resolution of discrete thoughts which we can label as cause and effect that are in succession but we can never really answer the question of why those discrete thoughts should be in that sequence.

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u/shksa339 — 3 days ago
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Hindus/Indians have to stop imposing Hindi on Sanskrit and learn about Schwa deletion of Hindi and other northern languages.

The Sanskrit word "Rama" is pronounced as "Ram" in Hindi. The schwa (ə) sound at the end of the word is deleted in Hindi. However, in both cases, the word is written राम.

The schwa is not deleted in ancient languages such as Sanskrit, as well as the modern registers of the Odia and Sinhala languages. The schwa is also retained in all the Dravidian languages such as Tamil, Telugu, Tulu, Kannada, and Malayalam.

Although the Devanagari script is used as a standard to write Hindi, the schwa ('ə') implicit in each consonant of the script is "obligatorily deleted" at the end of words and in certain other contexts, unlike in Sanskrit. That phenomenon has been termed the "schwa syncope rule" or the "schwa deletion rule" of Hindi.

I see people making claims that “a” is unnecessary added in words like Jiva, Ishvara, Dharma, karma, Rama and even go to the length of saying this is a product of colonisation. A famous Urduwood actor even made a whole speech spreading misinformation that Dharma, Rama, Karma are all wrong usages.

u/shksa339 — 4 days ago
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Difference between Jiva and Ishvara

Krishna is Ishvara whereas Arjuna is Jiva because Arjuna does not know that the unexamined assumption of Jiva-hood being his identity is not the truth.

If this misunderstanding of jiva-hood being the identity is removed, then identity of Ishvara-hood is revealed.

u/shksa339 — 6 days ago

How do ex-muslims view Jalaluddin Rumi and Sufis that aren’t typically seen as sectarian and mainstream?

Az kofro ze Eslām borūn sahrā'īst, Mā rā be miyān-e ān fazā soudā'īst.*
*Āref cho bedān resid sar rā benahad Nah kofro nah Eslām o nah ānjā jā'īst.*

Beyond infidelity & Islam, there is a desert. In the midst of that space, we have a passionate longing.

When the mystic reaches that place, they lay down their head. There is no infidelity, no Islam & no "place" there at all.

~ Rubai 157 , Rumi.

Is Rumi seen as unorthodox and hence respectable by ex-Muslims for Rumi’s more spiritual rather than sectarian religious view?

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u/shksa339 — 11 days ago
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Swami Prabuddhananda’s introduction to Kathaopamishad class note is very interesting.

Swami Prabuddhananda is a teacher of Advaita Vedanta for over 50 years. He was a disciple of Swami Dayananda at Arsha Vidya Gurukulum. His famous work is a commentary on Shankara’s Adhyasha Bhashya based on the work “Sugama” of Swami Satchidanandendra Saraswati of Holenarsipura. https://www.scribd.com/document/904035321/SUGAMA

u/shksa339 — 12 days ago

Even Adi Shankara’s foremost disciple defended Buddha’s position from common misunderstanding that Buddha denied the Self.

अनित्यदुःखशून्यत्वं पदार्थानां ब्रुवन्स्फुटम् ।।
बुद्धोऽपि रागापुच्छित्तौ यतते नाऽऽत्मनिहुतौ ।।

Buddha by explicitly declaring the impermanence, sorrowfulness & emptiness of all objects, strove to destroy attachment, not to deny the existence of the Self.

~ 1.4.410 , Brihadaranyaka bhāsya Vartika.

This defence of Buddha by Sureshwaracharya, the author of this sloka, is possibly the oldest defence that aims to dispel the common misunderstanding that Buddha denied the Self.

Sureshwaracharya was disciple of Adi Shankara, often described as his foremost disciple.

This goes to show that the rift between post-Shankarites and Buddha is a later development which simply did not exist among Adi Shankara or his disciples.

Hence it’s not a modern syncretic attempt by Neo-Vedantins to bridge the gap between Advaita and Buddha, it’s quite an ancient attempt.

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u/shksa339 — 25 days ago

Jalauddin Rumi was no ordinary mystic.

Az kofro ze Eslām borūn sahrā'īst, Mā rā be miyān-e ān fazā soudā'īst.
Āref cho bedān resid sar rā benahad Nah kofro nah Eslām o nah ānjā jā'īst.

Beyond infidelity & Islam, there is a desert. In the midst of that space, we have a passionate longing.

When the mystic reaches that place, they lay down their head. There is no infidelity, no Islam & no "place" there at all.

~ Rubai 157 , Rumi.

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u/shksa339 — 1 month ago

16 Misconceptions About Shankara by Swami Prakasanandendra Saraswati

Swami Prakasanandendra Saraswati belongs to the lineage of Swami Satchidanandendra Saraswati school of thought in the post-shankarite Advaita Vedanta schools.

This video is part of a playlist called Misconceptions About Sankara https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMddRSWoHnQZEddh4sOOXn-1SL4dnXCKL&si=7Ibd0hFym1pxoHaC based on the book titled Misconceptions about Shankara authored by Swami Satchidanandendra Saraswati, a noted Advaita scholar-monk of 20th century.

In this video, Swami Prakasanandendra Saraswati, delves into complex Advaita Vedanta concepts, specifically addressing the nature of Brahman, the status of the empirical world, and the misconceptions held by post-Shankara schools regarding these teachings.

Key Concepts Discussed:

  • Brahman and Ishwara (0:42-14:57): The Swami explains that Brahman and Ishwara are synonymous in Shankara's Bhasha. He critiques post-Shankara interpretations that categorize Ishwara as a 'lower' level of Brahman or as a causal entity possessing qualities. He clarifies that causality is merely an adhyaropa (superimposition) or a teaching method used to lead the seeker toward the realization of the non-dual Brahman.
  • The Empirical World (15:01-35:00): The video explores different schools of thought regarding the reality of the empirical world (vyavaharika). It contrasts the views of Siddhantalesha Sangraha and other Advaitin scholars who propose competing theories, such as Ishwara-srishti-vada (God as the creator) and Jiva-srishti-vada (the individual as the creator, often illustrated by dream analogies).
  • Critique of Post-Shankara Divisions (17:13-20:00): A significant portion of the discussion focuses on how later commentators created artificial divisions—such as drishthi-srishti-vada—that do not exist in the original texts of ShankaraGaudapada, or the Brahma Sutras. The Swami emphasizes that Shankara himself never differentiated his teaching from that of his predecessors.
  • The Need for Reconciliation (35:00-49:51): The Swami argues that many later Advaitin schools retained contradictory, parallel doctrines without reconciling them, leading to intellectual friction. He emphasizes his own approach, which seeks to drop 'extreme' and illogical stances that contradict Anubhava (experience), logic, and Shankara's own writings, aiming for a unified, coherent understanding.
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u/shksa339 — 2 months ago

Moksha cannot happen because of Religious Rituals, Meditations, Austerities, Charity, Self Study of Scriptures, Kaast or Stage of Life

Vedanta Dindimah verse 12 :-

न वर्णाश्रमसंकेतैर्न कर्मोपासनादिभिः ।
ब्रह्मज्ञानं विना मोक्ष इति वेदान्तडिण्डिमः ।।

Swami Satchidanandendra Saraswati tika :-

Regarding this statement, it has already been established that liberation is attained through knowledge, regardless of which kaast or stage of life a person resides in. Now, the text establishes that liberation cannot happen through mere rituals and other external practices alone if knowledge is absent. When the verse says that liberation is not achieved by the symbols of kaast and stage of life, it refers to the four indicators of kaast , which are Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, as well as the four indicators of life stages, which are the student, the householder, the forest dweller, and the renunciant. Merely relying on or adopting these external statuses does not lead to final liberation.

Furthermore, when the verse mentions that it cannot be achieved by rituals, worship, and so forth, it means that liberation does not happen through actions, religious rituals, meditations, austerities, the self-study of scriptures, or acts of charity. This is because any result achieved through such actions and material means is temporary and manufactured, whereas true liberation is completely eternal. What more is there to say on this matter. Without the direct knowledge of Brahman, liberation is simply not possible through any other means whatsoever.

*And thus sounds the drum-beat of Vedanta, echoing the ancient scriptures which state that this Atman cannot be attained by intellectual discourses, nor by human intelligence, nor by much hearing of the scriptures. The scriptures further declare that it is not reached by rituals, nor by progeny, nor by wealth, and that only by knowing Him does one pass beyond death, as there is no other path available for the final journey* .

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u/shksa339 — 2 months ago

How are Alevis and Alawites perceived by Shia and Sunnis? I barely see even shias acknowledging them here or another online.

I recently got to know about the Alevi and Alawite sect of Shia Islam. They mostly exist in Syria and Turkey.

I found the Alevism theology fascinating, it has close parallels with traditions of non-dualism like Sufi, Advaita Vedanta, Gnostic Christian mysticism, Buddhist sects and other eastern ancient traditions.

I especially find the secretive initiation into the final stage of teaching fascinating.

Interacted to know how Muslims across sects view them and what problems if any do you see with their culture and theology.

Thank you.

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u/shksa339 — 2 months ago

Liberation cannot happen because of Religious Rituals, Mediations, Austerities, Charity, Self Study of Scriptures, Caste or Stage of Life

Vedanta Dindimah verse 12 :-

न वर्णाश्रमसंकेतैर्न कर्मोपासनादिभिः ।
ब्रह्मज्ञानं विना मोक्ष इति वेदान्तडिण्डिमः ।।

SSS tika :-

Regarding this statement, it has already been established that liberation is attained through knowledge, regardless of which caste or stage of life a person resides in. Now, the text establishes that liberation cannot happen through mere rituals and other external practices alone if knowledge is absent. When the verse says that liberation is not achieved by the symbols of caste and stage of life, it refers to the four indicators of caste, which are Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, as well as the four indicators of life stages, which are the student, the householder, the forest dweller, and the renunciant. Merely relying on or adopting these external statuses does not lead to final liberation.

Furthermore, when the verse mentions that it cannot be achieved by rituals, worship, and so forth, it means that liberation does not happen through actions, religious rituals, meditations, austerities, the self-study of scriptures, or acts of charity. This is because any result achieved through such actions and material means is temporary and manufactured, whereas true liberation is completely eternal. What more is there to say on this matter. Without the direct knowledge of Brahman, liberation is simply not possible through any other means whatsoever.

And thus sounds the drum-beat of Vedanta, echoing the ancient scriptures which state that this Atman cannot be attained by intellectual discourses, nor by human intelligence, nor by much hearing of the scriptures. The scriptures further declare that it is not reached by rituals, nor by progeny, nor by wealth, and that only by knowing Him does one pass beyond death, as there is no other path available for the final journey .

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u/shksa339 — 2 months ago

A religion that dismisses Creationism - the narrative that a God created the universe.

Adi Shankaracharya, the celebrated Vedic saint/rishi/sage dismissed Creationism, the narrative that an Isvara/God created the Universe

Those who speculate about creation (sṛṣṭi-cintakas) think that the manifested universe, with its vast diversity and powers, is a creation of Īśvara (God). But this is not the doctrine of those who inquire into the Highest Reality (paramārtha).

- Brhdaranyaka Upanishad Bhashya 2.5.19

(Upanishads are a section of Vedas. “Bhashya” is a commentary on the source scripture.)

Sristicintakas, the people steeped in the thought (or theories) of creation consider that creation is a vibhuti, exuberance, (a demonstration of the superhuman power), of God. For people who think of the Supreme Reality there is no interest in questions regarding creation.

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u/shksa339 — 2 months ago

Adi Shankaracharya dismissed Creationism, the narrative that an Isvara/God created the Universe

Those who speculate about creation (sṛṣṭi-cintakas) think that the manifested universe, with its vast diversity and powers, is a creation of Īśvara (God). But this is not the doctrine of those who inquire into the Highest Reality (paramārtha).

- Brhdaranyaka 2.5.19

Sristicintakas, the people steeped in the thought (or theories) of creation consider that creation is a vibhuti, exuberance, (a demonstration of the superhuman power), of God. For people who think of the supreme Reality there is no interest in questions regarding creation.

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u/shksa339 — 3 months ago

Adi Shankaracharya mocked Creationism - the narrative of an Isvara/God created the Universe

Those who speculate about creation (sṛṣṭi-cintakas) think that the manifested universe, with its vast diversity and powers, is a creation of Īśvara (God). But this is not the doctrine of those who inquire into the Highest Reality (paramārtha).

- Brhdaranyaka 2.5.19

Sristicinlakias, the people steeped in the thought (or theories) of creation consider that creation is a vibhuti, exuberance, (a demonstration of the superhuman power), of God. For people who think of the supreme Reality there is no interest in questions regarding creation.

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u/shksa339 — 3 months ago

How does AP justify caste affirming verses and karma based rebirth in Brahma Sutras and Upanishads

Brahma Sutras have the famous “Apashudradikarana” section baring Shudras from taking up Vedanta study.

And Chandogya Upanishad in 5.10.7 says

“Those whose conduct here has been good will quickly attain a good birth — the birth of a Brahmana, the birth of a Kshatriya, or the birth of a Vaishya.
But those whose conduct here has been evil will quickly attain an evil birth — the birth of a dog, the birth of a pig, or the birth of a Chandala.”

तद्य इह रमणीयचरणा अभ्याशो ह यत्ते रमणीयां योनिमापद्येरन् ब्राह्मणयोनिं वा क्षत्रिययोनिं वा वैश्ययोनिं वा ।
अथ ये इह कपूयचरणा अभ्याशो ह यत्ते कपूयां योनिमापद्येरन् श्वयोनिं वा सूकरयोनिं वा चाण्डालयोनिं वा ॥

This particular verse challenges AP’s view of rebirth and caste together.

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u/shksa339 — 3 months ago

The transcendental realisation of Jalaluddin Rumi beyond Islam and Infidelity

*Az kofro ze Eslām borūn sahrā'īst, Mā rā be miyān-e ān fazā soudā'īst.*
*Āref cho bedān resid sar rā benahad Nah kofro nah Eslām o nah ānjā jā'īst.*

Beyond infidelity & Islam, there is a desert. In the midst of that space, we have a passionate longing.
When the mystic reaches that place, they lay down their head. There is no infidelity, no Islam & no "place" there at all.

~ Rubai 157 , Rumi.

This realisation of Rumi, a Sufi master, where he found a “place” of enlightenment within himself that transcends the intellect and individuality of dualistic experience.

This realisation of transcendence is seen across all other religions like Advaita Vedanta, Kashmir Shaivism, Buddhism, Taoism, Gnostic Christians, kaballah mystics and mystics across the world.

These mystics can unite the world of various religious cultures because their realisations of liberation is common and this liberation is found within every person and not externally in a heavenly realm post death ordained by a specific form of personal God.

The theistic form of religion divides humanity as each culture proposes a personal form a God specific to that culture and hence there will always be a a conflict between all such propositions.

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u/shksa339 — 3 months ago