r/ChappelGroan

I’ve been lurking here for quite a while, and I just had to take a moment to say how much I appreciate this subreddit.

The main reason I’ve grown dissatisfied with Chappell Roan is that it feels like she’s weaponizing and instrumentalizing queer identities to rally an army of followers who attack first and never question their diva's controversial actions. It’s disheartening, especially when so many of my queer friends, people I deeply respect and admire for their intelligence and clarity, seem to have been swept up in it all. Whenever I try to express my feelings about her fabricated 'from rags to riches' persona, the way she weaponizes therapy talk to justify her disrespectful demeanor, or how her so-called 'charity' for trans people lacks transparency about where the money actually goes, I’m met with hostility, even from those I consider some of the most thoughtful people in my life and from whom I expect to detect basic mass-manipulation from celebrities.

Not to mention her convenient 'both parties suck' discourse during election time, which was acclaimed by said acquaintances for being 'bold' while to my mind, it felt less like genuine political insight and more like a cop-out to avoid taking a stand.

That’s why I’m so grateful for this subreddit. Here, I read people using critical thinking, thoughtful analysis, and respectful discourse to discuss her and her work. It’s refreshing to find a place that values nuance over blind hate and/or loyalty.

And, of course, I have to say I love the wit and cleverness here: the sharp, insightful humor never fails to give me a good laugh. So thank you for being a beacon of reason in a sea of blind praise of a public figure I could never consider an ally. This subreddit is a gem, and I’m so glad it exists.

Honestly, you need to understand her way of thinking. I'm not a fan of hers, nor have I heard a single one of her songs, but I learned about her attitude toward fame from a YouTube video and stumbled across this subreddit.

Let me tell you something, it's terrifying to be a public figure, and she's one of the very few celebrities who has been rebellious enough to come out and say it. You gotta applaud her for that. When you're as public as a park bench in the city park, you need to set boundaries, and that's exactly what she's doing.

Imagine having the diagnoses she has said she has, and then not only having to deal with everyday life but also with millions of eyes scrutinizing and analyzing you as if you were some sort of object. In her mind, she probably got into this business for the performance aspect of it, not the constant public scrutiny. It's really sad that you can't see past that.

Apologies for the bad crops. This was how I found it.

Claim: "A publication has made an investigation..."

Fact-check: No "publication" is named, nor date of publication, author, link, sources cited by the "publication"...

Claim: "Her grandfather was worth only $5 million."

Fact-check: No source given. Even if "$5 million" is a figure associated with his estate, it may refer only to what went through probate. Meaning: Other assets of his passed outside of probate, and thus aren't in the public record, and aren't available for Kayleigh-fans to examine. Smart rich people know how to leave their money without burdening their heirs, and probate is a burden. AND can be avoided.

Claim: "What if he left his $5 million to all 22 of his descendants equally? They'd only get $227,000 each. Hardly 'rich'!"

Fact-check: No source given to support this fantasy.

People rarely leave money to children and grandchildren this way. He probably left all or most of his assets to his wife, who survived him. When she passes, the money (by this time much increased since his death) goes to her kids.

In any case, this figure doesn't reflect the possibility that he had been gifting his children & grandkids money or other assets before he died.

Claim: Kayleigh didn't grow up in that big house that everyone keeps posting!

Fact-check: So the implication is: Before they bought that house, they all lived in a trailer? 😂

Kayleigh's mom admits she loves to save, and seems to loathe debt. From Veterinary Information Network (news.vin.com):

"...the family already lives frugally, clipping coupons, forgoing fancy vacations and buying consignment-shop clothing for the kids. Over four years of focused effort, she and her husband have eliminated $250,000 in debt from student loans, credit cards and purchasing the practice. “People think I’m crazy because here I am a doctor driving an older used car,” she said. “I’d love to have a digital X-ray (machine) but I won’t buy it until I can pay for it in cash.”

That doesn't mean the family was "poor." She wasn't a staff vet in someone else's practice. She owned her own practice, and her own clinics. And that was true from the time Kayleigh was a (chronological) child.

Chappell’s uncle slashing funding to kids literacy programs? And Taycapitalist responding before Chapp? Wild

This is a big fucking pet peeve of mine in general regarding white female celebrities and their stans, but notice how they ALWAYS bring up Chris Brown or Kanye or some other abusive black man and never an abusive white man like Johnny depp, or Shia lebouf. People only bring up Chris Brown and use black women’s trauma to benefit a white woman. It’s so fucking insane! They literally DO NOT fucking care about the black women he brutalized and abused they just use their trauma as a “gotcha”. They’re clearly comfortable holding black men accountable for heinous behavior, but god forbid a white woman be expected to take accountability.

It’s also fucking crazy to me that people will say “Chappell Roan is getting cancelled but Chris Brown is selling out arenas!!” as if any of her controversies negatively impacted her career. She will still also sell out arenas. Her stans even say that she could kill a child and they would still support her.

So as an avid beer fan and a member of this sub I thought this would be a funny story that you guys would appreciate.

So I was out to dinner with my friend a while ago and I pulled up the draft list of the bar on untappd and saw that there was a beer from my local brewery called "Pink Pony Paloma". The reference is obvious, and I am good friends with the head brewer there, and he knows my history with this artist and the song. I text him in a group chat "what the hell is this" and he sends back "I knew I'd get that from you, OP". Well turns out at the brewery their "closing time" song is Pink Pony Club, and recently they had a beer collab with Wicked Weed Brewing and made a grapefruit IPA. As they were closing the head brewer and the marketing person still had no idea what to call this beer, and the song came on and the head brewer said "why not Pink Pony Paloma?" And the marketing person was all in. Funny enough the next thought was "Oh Fuck, OP is gonna hate this when he sees it" and played the waiting game.

TLDR: someone named a beer after chappell roan, to partially, personally, spite me.

I think it's at least a funny story that all of this sub would like

I'm not the type to "hate" a celebrity, that's just a waste of energy imo. But Chappel Roan throws me off for some reason, and I needed somewhere to talk about this.

I don't "hate" her, but she's giving off this weird energy that makes me uncomfortable.

It's weird and difficult to explain. I know what actions specifically changed my attitude about her, but it's like my subconscious is trying to warn me about something deeper when I look at her.

Ok so, the election apathy initially made me raise an eyebrow, but the tiktoks she made afterwards in response to the fallout is when I started to sense something weird.

How is it possible to be queer, and claim to be part of the drag community, and still have an ounce of apathy still in your body? Why is she even considered drag anyway? Her white foundation? The drag community and drag culture gives off a specific vibe, and she does not give off any of that energy to me.

Sorry I'm rambling, idk, anyone have any ideas here, or am I just being an asshole?

Recently on Drew Afualo’s podcast Chappell Roan said…

“I said if stalker vibes, like family is in danger, is when I would quit. And like… we’re there. And so I’m just kind of like in this battle of like… I’ve like pumped the brakes on honestly anything to like make me more known.” (For some reason I can’t post videos on here, otherwise I would)

She says this while actively on a podcast for exposure, lined up to do Olivia Rodrigo’s upcoming festival, still showing up to NYFW, doing shows, etc.

What breaks exactly is she pumping on??

I’ve said it a thousand times and I’ll say it again: BEING FAMOUS IS A CHOICE. There are very very VERY few people who genuinely would not be able to go back to a “normal” private life even if they’d tried (Brittany Spears, Taylor Swift, Michael Jackson, Elvis, etc.) Chappell is not one of those people. She can stop being famous at any point that she feels like it. And yet she continues to keep making music, doing performances, doing interviews, showing up to publicity events, etc. and then complaining when, surprise surprise, she’s still famous. If she really truly wanted to “pump the breaks”, she could just stop posting, stop doing any of the publicity stuff, stop putting out music, and go get a job as a front desk receptionist. Yeah, it would take a few months for people to fully stop caring, but she’d be living a mostly normal life within a year, and she’d be completely forgotten within two. It would not be that hard.

Also… as someone who says “like” pretty frequently… Chappell is another level. It’s like every like two like words like. Reading this back, it doesn’t even look like a real word anymore.