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New to Necro noob question

I'm following some build guides trying to find something that's fun for me

I just have one question , why in some builds am I putting so many points into skills that I don't hotkey onto my action bar ? Do they have passive effects or am I meant to be swapping skills during fights to cast ?

EDIT* atm in trying blood wave build and the skills are the curses sry

Thanks guys !

Also any tips would be much appreciated or fun build suggestions!

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u/jkroflcopter — 6 hours ago

Leveling as Minions transitioning to Blood Wave... should I have done something different when leveling ?

So, I'm playing as a necro season 14, and I used the minion leveling build. I have some questions.

I will be aiming for the Blood Wave endgame build, did i screw up a little bit by leveling as a Minion build ? Should I have gone with Blood Surge to level? I am just fresh level 70 on Penitent difficulty.

Should I switch to Blood Surge leveling ( as seen on Maxroll ) or just stick with Minions till i get the proper gear.

Early thanks for the help... Its been many moons since I've played Necro ( normally Barb)

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u/BigMoch77 — 5 hours ago

Amulet aspect question

I’m following a minion build from mobalytics and I noticed the author doubled down on aspects and I’m wondering if those stack. That is, they say use Aspect of Hewed Flesh on the boots, then using a Kullean Prism in the cube to add Hewed Flesh as the secondary aspect on the amulet. Anyone know if these stack or if I should replace one? Thanks in advance.

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u/Desperate-Response66 — 11 hours ago

The Order of the Last Thaw thanks you all for the displays of the most holy weapons. The mythic Bloodless Scream. You are all now frost necros, one and all!

u/irishhawk — 23 hours ago

Will an Undercrown outperform Frenzied Onslaught on Amulet?

I’d have to move some stuff around to work in an undercrown, but for a minion build generally speaking, would an undercrown outperform the attack speed bonus from onslaught?

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u/Ill-Ask9205 — 1 day ago
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Diablo 4 S14 DPS-per-Skill and Toughness Calculator

I've put together a DPS-per-skill and Toughness calculator for Diablo 4 as of S14.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eovDFtu2De4qdGUpAvF2lPy06OBz74vwv_aMah-jgOA/edit?usp=sharing

If this looks overly complicated, it is, but so are DPS and Toughness calculations in the game. Sites like Maxroll have good guides for both to walk you through them. Damage guide here, Toughness guide here.

Feel free to copy and edit. It should work for any class, but I play Minion Necromancer, so you'll see values relevant for that build here.

I have a tab for instructions and footnotes, but some general instructions for accuracy:

  1. The main point of this document is for comparing builds with different gear or skill choices, so you can be more educated before spending mats to change your build. To do this comparison most cleanly, copy the Sheet, and in Cell B11, type in the name of the other Sheet with the alternative setup. The orange text in both zones (Damage and Toughness) tells you what the current Sheet looks like compared to the other Sheet.

  2. If your build primarily uses one skill for damage, this is a general DPS calculator. If your build does substantial damage with multiple skills, use one sheet per skill, and ensure that the bonuses you enter are relevant to the skill in question. The sheet doesn't have access to metadata to ensure the skill only incorporates relevant bonuses.

  3. The green cells are for editing. Anything not green is best left alone, but I didn't lock any cells, so go nuts if you want to.

  4. For precision, be careful about entering correct values for things like Additive Damage or Armor/Resistances. Don't enter the big number in the Character Sheet. Enter the pre-multiplier sum. These are in the character sheet, but kind of hidden. Armor and Resistance percentage bonuses are particularly important. Raheir's Aegis doesn't provide 15% bonus All Resist unless you have no other sources of % All Resist bonus, including Paragon. If you want to see how much Toughness you gain with a bonus granting +% Armor or +% All Resist, that box needs to be accurate with all of your bonuses.

  5. It's slightly complicated to accurately calculate DPS when crit chance or vulnerable uptime are not 100%, but these capabilities are built into the document. Just try to be accurate with crit chance and vuln uptime, and make sure to include the word "Crit" or "Vuln" in the "Source" cell for each bonus if you want them correctly calculated. Damage per hit is averaged incorporating crit and vuln chance; if your crit strikes deal 100 damage, your non-crit strikes deal 20 damage, and crit chance is 80%, the "Dmg per Hit" value will read 84.

  6. Attacks per second (APS) are generally in the 1-5 range and can be counted on the target dummy in-combat. For Summon builds, damage-per-Summon should be multiplied by the number of Summons. I run a Skeletal Warriors build; 12 Warriors x 2 APS/Warrior = 24 APS. For stuff like Whirlwind, you may need to record and slow down the video to count tics per second on the dummies. And this calculator isn't set up for DoT builds, but it should tell you the total damage of the DoT, so you can divide that by the seconds of DoT x 2 to get the damage per tic contributed by the Skill in question (as DoTs tic 2x per second).

  7. Proper uptime assessment can make the DPS more accurate, especially when considering changes that don't affect raw damage, just skill modifier uptime (like CDR). Sometimes it's easy to calculate, like Necro Essence Glyph on non-Healthy enemies (non-Healthy = 80% or less health). Others need to be calculated in combat or on the target dummy. Crowd Control like Frozen is particularly tricky; the target dummies get resistance to CC in a way that real enemies do not.

If you have Qs or spot bugs, feel free to comment below, I'll try to address.

u/KirkLucKhan — 1 day ago

Which sword is better?

For context, im a crit/shadow damage minion build and i have the unique charm for bloodless scream. I know bloodless scream has more weapon damage but which is better for me to use?

u/AccomplishedDot6205 — 1 day ago

Undercrown or Lucion for minions?

Has anyone figured out which helm is better for mages/warriors?

The guides say undercrown but the multiplier difference is huge.

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u/devindran — 1 day ago

Hand of Naz or Deathgrip ?

Hey everyone, got a couple of questions about my Deathgrip Necro setup.
I’ve been running Deathgrip for a while now, and until recently I was using the Darkness Mages for the extra barrier generation. After seeing a lot of people running the Ice-damage version of the Darkness Mages, I decided to switch and give that a try.
One thing I’m still not sure about: if I’m running the Warrior gloves instead of the Mage gloves, is it still worth using a 2H Bloodless Scream, or should I be looking at a different weapon setup when playing with Warriors?
Also, is it worth running Pact of Bone as a charm and freeing up a ring slot for another Legendary Aspect, or is that generally considered a downgrade?
Appreciate any advice from people who’ve tested both setups. Thanks!

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u/CarlosAbreo — 1 day ago

Blood Moon Breeches and Unholy Frenzy

How does the affix from Blood Moon Breeches where minions apply curses interact with the Unholy Frenzy upgrade for Decrepify? Are my minions just running around buffing themselves occasionally?

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u/Insomniax187 — 1 day ago

Is heir of perdition good anymore?

Im a critical hit/shadow damage build and currently im using the undercrown, but i just got the heir of perdition and im wondering if its better anymore since the nerf?

u/AccomplishedDot6205 — 2 days ago

Any good builds for Diamond Mind for Necromancer?

Looking for suggestions on a build that can use this. I'm leaning towards a minion build that uses 3pc waking touch, but not sure if it would be better than a unique charm.

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u/devindran — 2 days ago

How is bone spirit this season?

Pretty much the title. I like the bone spirit playstyle and want to know how it feels this season. Not looking to push pit 150 but want it to be able to do all the content torment 12 relatively easily once I have the right gear. What's your thoughts?

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u/MilesCuba94 — 2 days ago

Deathspeaker's Pendant still dropping?

I was trying to formulate a build using many minions and bone synergies while using the deathspeaker's pendant, since I wanted to use Pins and Needles variant for Blood Surge and as such couldn't spec You And What Army. However, I was farming Varshan for about an hour and never saw it drop.

I wasn't getting any info when searching online on if the item was removed from the game in season 13 when necromancer was redone and You And What Army was introduced, as I suspect the variant might have replaced the item entirely. Does anyone have any info on whether it still drops?

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u/Naxela — 2 days ago

S14 Minion quirks / bugs / points of interest (running list, will be updated)

I'll try to keep this updated, with mine or others' findings (if others', I will try to cite). If anything gets patched, I'll cross out and update. In no particular order:

  • Ceh rune Wolves de-spawning still count towards Pact of Bone on-death bonus, but with an interesting caveat: if you spawn them too quickly (like spamming IgniCeh), they won't de-spawn until you stop spamming. Recommend using NeoCeh.
  • Gargantua Golem now no longer requires you to re-summon in-zone to get the Cast Speed aura bonus.
  • Undercrown is slightly bugged. Bonus Warrior (but not Mage) count is tied to the Unique Power. I don't have the exact ranges Minimum 22% Unique Power for full 4 bonus Warriors; lower Unique Power rolls will give 2 or 3 Warriors. But fun fact: unless and until they patch it, Mythic Undercrown grants 5 bonus Warriors.
  • AotD Unyielding Commander bonus damage uptime is still 100% simply from having the "Passive Bonus" selected.
  • Cold Mages do appear to be correctly proccing, and benefitting from, Signet of Pelghain on bosses. No such luck for Azurewrath (on bosses, still bugged, only activates when Staggered by a direct Freeze effect).
  • Lots of reported bugs with Thorns and Minions. (Via Slayer on the Bug Report Forums)
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u/KirkLucKhan — 3 days ago