r/Fighters

So we all know that 2XKO failing was seen from a mile away. From awful branding and advertising to the niche gameplay we all saw this coming. What people may not understand is the lasting ramifications it's failure will forever have on the industry.

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So what I am talking about? I (Like a lot of other folks in this sub) happen to be a AAA game dev for many years. The way games get funding is you put together a few materials to pitch to investors/stakeholders. Things like a vertical slice (A small section of finished gameplay to show off) and a pitch deck (A powerpoint presentation going through all of the design, markets, and financials needed for the project.)

Here is the issue. Studios especially AAA ones need a lot of historical data to help dictate what to invest in. We use the data of similar games in similar genres to get that Market viability estimate. This is why after WoW you got dozens of MMOs, Pubg for dozens of BRs, Overwatch for dozens of hero shooters, etc etc etc ad nauseum. Its an incredibly important aspect of market analysis for studios to be successful.

Here's the thing. Big failures are what potential investors point to as examples of a bad market. Now there can be a bad market for a couple of reasons. As an example you can have bad market because the competition is simply too tough. WoW has frankly eaten nearly every MMO that could compete with it to the point only 4 or so can exist. You can also have bad market because there just isnt interest/its too niche see the RTS genre flailing for the past 20 years. Lastly you can have a bad market because of other major world factors. Ergo in a global recession, where pc parts are 3x the cost, and because oil has gone up everything has gone up with it.

This is all to say that Fighting Games may be absolutely cooked both in indie and in AAA/AA.
Now Im not saying were doomed but we're basically stuck with what we have for awhile. The market is somewhat locked. Major failures like 2XKO and Fatal Fury will basically drive away nearly all new investment for a AAA scale title. Not to mention the lackluster staying power for things like Avatar Legends and Invincible VS basically mean the indie/ AA market is also somewhat cooked.

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Now we do have some hope in some ways mainly Japan but take that with a grain of salt. We have a couple new niche fighters coming out and thatll really tell us the death knell or not. I know some of the Tekken guys like myself are excited for Harada's thing. However PLEASE take that with a trucks worth of salt. Remember how long it took Kojima to make a new game from scratch and also how while some people liked his new project a lot of older fans didnt. Not to mention how a ton of "BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE GUYS WHO MADE X" games were awful.

This is all to say if things dont turn around were going the way of RTSs. So what can we do? PLAY THE GAMES. BE NICE ABOUT THE GAMES YOU PLAY. GET MORE FOLKS INTO THE GAMES YOU PLAY!

Marvel Tokon has been out for barely two weeks, and somehow we're already talking about it being “dead” or a “disaster”.

I honestly don't understand it.

I've been excited for a Marvel fighting game like this for years, and since FighterZ I've been especially hungry for a new fighting game to really get invested in. The marketing has been fantastic: every trailer, character reveal, PlayStation event, showcase and gameplay presentation has built more hype. The game looks incredible, the reviews have been overwhelmingly positive, and Arc System Works may have delivered one of the best-looking fighting games ever made.

On top of that, there's a ton of content for single-player players and Marvel fans, multiple languages, characters from different eras of Marvel, X-Men, Avengers, Night Soons, and a community coming back after years without a new Marvel fighting game.

Yes, the PC version had performance problems. That's a legitimate criticism. But they're being fixed, and that doesn't suddenly mean the entire game is going to die.

It feels like the fighting game community has reached a point where every new game is “dead” two weeks after launch because of some problem or another. Street Fighter gets criticized, Tekken 8, Avatar, Mk1 gets more criticized, FighterZ had its ups and downs, other games launch strong and then struggle… and somehow we're always predicting the death of the next game.

Can we just enjoy the games for a while?

Honestly, sometimes Reddit makes me want to stop playing fighting games altogether and go back to single-player games 🤔

I’ve been around since 2017 and a community who’s known for not letting games die has suddenly become so obsessed with player numbers.

Tokons rough launch aside Is this just a side effect of sf6 popularity bringing these people in that think sf6 is the standard and not the anomaly that it is?

The game is fine. I really understand people's nervousness, especially after 2XKO news. But the game's future is bright to my eyes. Yes, it had a tough launch on PC, but things are slowly getting better. They made a patch note previously to fix performance and it did fix to me, although i am aware it didn't fix the problem to many people. now, there is a new hotfix patch note coming this week.

besides, you know what other games had a bad launch? i can think of some. Street fighter 5, Guilty gear strive, and of course, DRAGON BALL FIGHTERZ. SF5 released incomplete and with bad servers, but it turned out to become a great and complete fighting game. Guilty gear Strive also had terrible online connection, but it's still one of the big modern fighting games. Fighterz online servers were absolute dogshit and season 1 was BROKEN. And guess what? it's one of the best selling fighting games of all time and it lasted more than 7 years of support.

Not only that, but the game is doing perfectly fine on the PS5, where 80% of the player base is concentrated (if the leaks are right), phoenix cyclops is on the way and i didn't even got started about the MARVEL IP!

ArcSys know what they're doing. They have already proved that they barely never give up on their games (except for DNF duel 😅). Granblue and guilty gear strive are still out there, gaining support, updates and new characters. So, my motto about this situation is: ''If granblue made it, i'm sure Tokon can do it too!''

I just wanted to share my thoughts with y'all, especially with all the negativity surrounding the game on media and all. but i mean like, It's not even been a month, man! i do think the game won't go anywhere any time soon.

look at brawlhalla look at it, thats what a f2p will look like, look at how many characters are just reskins, thats how characters will be added. To people honestly want that? Ryu isn't even a character in that game just a reskin, would you guys really want a SF7 F2P where they drop 5 Ryu skins that are just Dan, Ken, Akuma, Gouken, and Sean.

I think people just look at its success and don't see what kind of game it is basically a fortnite fighter where every character is just a skin and their movesets don't matter (I do know there are multiple characters and its not the same moveset for everyone)

Long story short, your never getting a SF7, Tekken 9, MK2, etc quality game but F2P, if you do your gonna complain that everything is to expensive, and if you get a brawlhalla tier game you will complain as well. Killer instinct, granblue, and to a lesser extent DOA did it right free to start, the player can mess around with the game see if they like it and buy it if they want.

Same thing for the first week of Tokon's release. The influx of people making posts that break rules force me to pin yet another thread.

Please use this post to say how doomed we are and how crap Riot is, while I'm bringing the broom again.

No way this is real. 10 years and this is it?

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Arcsys isn't blameless obviously but Sony's boot on the neck way of dealing with DRM and anti cheat has kneecapped this game's growth.

Banning most of the world from playing the game in the first place, awful DRM that tanks performance and bad anti cheat that doesn't work anyway as we've all found out.

I'd forgive people who say Sony has intentionally sabotaged this game because it honestly really looks that way. They somehow picked every wrong decision they could possibly make.

We've got people begging for Discord and Parsec matches and the game is barely a month old. It's so fucking sad.

My friends have sworn off even trying this game because of Sony, the brand itself has become toxic to them. I got the game for my birthday thankfully, if I had paid for this myself I would've refunded it already.

The Steam version vs the recently released (cough) Offline version (cough). The games runs 35 percent faster and uses 2GB less RAM. The guy cant even run the Steam version of the game at 60FPS, it floats between 40 - 45, but in the "offline" version it hits 60 no problem.

For all the games that have come out this yeah (invincible, avatat and now tokon) i tend to look up some bnbs cus im bad at finding combos and want to do more than mash autocombos

For some reason all of the videos just refuse to write down what the combo is, youre lucky if they left input history on. And then they get all glibby in the comments about people wanting notation

I can sight read the combos but its obnoxious and for readable for a string of inputs