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Was Louis XVI ever venerated in the same way Charles I of England was?

In England the cult of King Charles the Martyr seems to have arisen shortly after the execution of Charles I, and The Society of King Charles the Martyr exists until today. Was Louis XVI ever venerated in the same way? I already read this very informative post explaining that the efforts to canonise Louis were very limited. Of course Charles could not be canonised, but apparently he enjoyed some genuine popular sympathy, which does not seem to be the case with Louis, but I'd love to know why.

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u/tatianalarina1 — 1 day ago
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After English King Henry III botched his invasion of France, Simon de Montfort told him that he should be locked up like Carolingian King Charles the Simple

u/PhilipVItheFortunate — 22 hours ago

Did Louis XVI and Mme Polignac had a story?

I am reading Marie Thérèse - Child of Terror from Susan Nagel and the author seems pretty convinced that Louis XVI was in love with Mme de Polignac. That's the first time I hear about this hypothesis. Any opinions/sources about it?

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u/Hour-Professor9489 — 1 day ago
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"Paris is well worth a Mass" — How one of history's greatest political compromises birthed the Bourbon Dynasty and ended decades of religious slaughter.

In 1593, Henry of Navarre faced a political deadlock that seemed entirely impossible to break. He was the rightful King of France, but he was also a Protestant leader in a country whose capital and majority population were fiercely, uncompromisingly Catholic.
He could have chosen to wage a brutal war to conquer Paris by force, but he knew that a crown won through the slaughter of his own subjects wouldn't last. Instead, he chose a completely different kind of weapon: absolute political pragmatism. By uttering the famous words "Paris is well worth a Mass," he converted to Catholicism, walked into the city unarmed, and chose peace over ideological purity.
Henry IV’s conversion became a masterclass in statecraft, allowing him to pass the Edict of Nantes and finally end decades of religious slaughter. He proved that sometimes, the most radical act a leader can perform isn't fighting to the bitter end, but compromising to preserve the nation.

u/Altera_Visio — 3 days ago
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Day One: Ranking Frankish/French Monarchs. Comment who should be removed first

Been interested in doing a ranking series for a while like many other subs did, so thought we could try to rank Frankish/French monarchs from worst to best daily. Comment which monarchs should be disqualified from this ranking due to lack of information, lacking any time to make significant decisions, etc.

Rules:

  1. Comment the monarch that you want to see removed, preferably with some justification for your choice (convinces more people to support your nomination)
  2. If someone else has already commented the monarch you want, upvote, downvote and reply accordingly, you can also write a comment explaining why someone should stay longer
  3. The most upvoted monarch by this time tomorrow will be removed based on highest voted comment
  4. Try to avoid spreading complete misinformation or changing nominations after your comment has gotten traction

For the sake of simplicity and the general lack of resources, only Merovingians who ruled as the sole King of the Franks will be included. Middle and East Carolingian rulers that did not rule West Francia are not included. Only monarchs with a clear, undisputed claim and rule are included.

 

u/PhilipVItheFortunate — 4 days ago

"Maximilien Robespierre: The Idealist Who Turned to Terror"

Maximilien Robespierre: Revolutionary Hero or Tyrant?

Maximilien Robespierre remains one of the most controversial figures of the French Revolution. Was he a champion of democracy and equality, or a dictator who ruled through terror? This post explores his rise to power, his role in the Reign of Terror, and his dramatic downfall.

  1. Robespierre’s Rise: The Voice of the People

Born in 1758, Robespierre was deeply influenced by Enlightenment philosophy, particularly Rousseau’s idea of the general will. As a lawyer, he became an advocate for the rights of the poor and an opponent of the monarchy.

When the French Revolution erupted in 1789, he emerged as a key figure in the National Assembly, pushing for radical democratic reforms, the abolition of slavery, and universal male suffrage. 2. From Revolution to Terror

As France descended into internal and external chaos, Robespierre joined the Committee of Public Safety, effectively leading the revolutionary government in 1793-1794.

During this time, the infamous Law of Suspects was enacted, allowing for the swift arrest and execution of anyone considered an "enemy of the revolution." Thousands, including King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette, were sent to the guillotine.

🗣 Robespierre famously declared: "Virtue without terror is powerless, and terror without virtue is cruel."

  1. His Fall and Execution

By mid-1794, even his revolutionary allies saw him as a threat. After executing fellow revolutionaries like Danton, opposition against him grew. On July 27, 1794 (9 Thermidor), Robespierre was arrested and guillotined the next day—ironically, by the same system of terror he had helped create.

  1. Robespierre’s Legacy: Idealist or Tyrant?

Robespierre’s legacy is still debated today. Was he a necessary force protecting the revolution from its enemies? Or did he allow power and paranoia to corrupt his ideals, making him no different from the tyrants he opposed?

in the end:Even though Robespierre's intentions may have been noble, the means he used to achieve them were undeniably brutal and inhumane.

Sources:

  1. Albert Soboul – The French Revolution 1787-1799. Vintage Books, 1975.
  2. Peter McPhee – Robespierre: A Revolutionary Life. Yale University Press, 2012.
  3. William Doyle – The Oxford History of the French Revolution. Oxford University Press, 1989.
  4. Ruth Scurr – Fatal Purity: Robespierre and the French Revolution. Vintage Books, 2006.

🤔 What do you think? Was Robespierre a necessary revolutionary leader, or did he go too far? Let’s discuss!

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u/Echo_of_Dusk — 7 days ago

With some negotiations, future Henri III managed to get elected as the first elected monarch of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. When he learned he was the new king of France, Henri promptly escaped his Polish subjects to rule France instead.

u/Bright-Bowler2579 — 10 days ago

What are thoughts on Henry I of France, the former Overlord of William The Conqueror?

While he's famous on his battles and rivalry but i wanna about his rulership in the empire also?

u/Organic-Camera-9167 — 10 days ago

Are there any other French monarchs who had hobbies considered strange either in their own time or by modern standards, besides Louis XVI and his lockmaking?

u/Certain-Cloud9133 — 12 days ago

What epithet/nickname would you give to Frankish or French monarchs?

Most basic epithet ever but I think Clovis I should be called the great due to being a mighty warrior who first united the Frankish realm. Also feel like every king should have at least one epithet or nickname

u/Bright-Bowler2579 — 14 days ago