r/GoldenDawnMagicians

(Literally crying while typing this...) I haven't been able to go into ritual for a very long time. And each time I do start I get interrupted in some way and it breaks me out of the mood and concentration. I'm autistic so being interrupted kind of feels like the end of the world for me and I can't calm myself down to try and refocus cause it feels like the whole thing is ruined if something stops me in the middle of ritual...

For context I was kicked out of my room for another person and forced to sleep and stay out in the living room. problem is it's an apartment setting so i'm in the middle of the place. I have no privacy and my family is toxic and doesn't respect boundaries. I told them I try to meditate but they will come out, see me trying to meditate and carry on doing stuff in the kitchen like I'm not even there... even if I ask them to please give me some time to meditate someone at some point will come out their door, briefly apologize and quickly do what they set out to do...

I feel so cut off from the divine and so lost and frustrated cause ritual like lbrp and MP really helped me in my time of need when I lived on my own. And now I have no where to meditate or practice.... So I wanna know... if we do say the MP and we get interrupted do you think I'd need to start over again which I already explained would be hard to do given my disability or do the affects of the MP stay there and I can try to just continue and finish the ritual?

I really don't know what to do and i'm so depressed I've resorted to researching low magick hot foot spells to get a sibling out of the place so I can get my room back.... I'm that desperate.... It's hard to see a positive future anymore...

The question is quite simple:
Is it possible to cancel LBRP before it ends?

LBRP works for few hours. But there might be a situation, when a person needs to remove its defence/effect before it "wears off" by itself.
(Let's say, in order to do some other very urgent working / actions...)
Is there any WAY to do it neatly and correctly ?

Thanks!

This came up for discussion at the tail end of another thread and I thought I'd pull it out and post it as its own thread, partly because it may be useful to students and partly because I'd be interested in hearing what other GD practitioners/initiates think.

My original work in the GD system was all self-initiation -- there wasn't any other option in Seattle in the 1980s and 1990s! One thing I did that worked well, while I was going through the Outer Order material, was a weekly practice to invoke elemental energies using the standard GD ritual forms. It went like this:

1. Set up the temple with a central altar with water, incense, and cross and triangle in the arrangement used with the grade I meant to invoke, and a chair facing the element across the altar -- that is, if I was invoking water, the chair would be in the east of the temple, facing west.

2. Open the temple in the usual way, with LBRP, purification with water, consecration with fire, circumambulation, and adoration of the Lord of the Universe.

3. Do the GIRP of the element.

4. At the altar, facing the elemental direction, do the invocation of the element from the grade ritual assigned to that element. (Once I'd gotten the Vibratory Formula of the Middle Pillar down, I did that with the divine name assigned to the element, and circulated the energy.)

5. Sit down and meditate on the element, using the traditional GD symbolism of the element as a focus.

6. Go to the altar and do the release of the element from the grade ritual, including the prayer of the elementals.

7. Do the GBRP of the element.

8. Close the temple in the usual manner, ending with the LBRP.

I did this once a week, and rotated through the elements -- Earth one week, Water the next, and so on. I found it extremely useful in the self-initiatory work. To begin with, it was a great way to practice the basic elements of practical solo temple work, so that when I got going on practical magic a little later on, making talismans and the like, I didn't have so steep a learning curve. It also taught me a lot about invoking, shaping, and releasing magical energies generally.

I also found that it was a surprisingly effective way of self-development that had results in everyday life. Doing this made it much easier to, ahem, "be prompt and active as the Sylphs, but avoid frivolity and caprice; be energetic and strong like the Salamanders, but avoid irritability and ferocity; be flexible and attentive to images like the Undines, but avoid idleness and changeability; be laborious and patient like the Gnomes, but avoid grossness and avarice." That had immediate benefits for me in my daily life.

I should probably mention that this was not a replacement for, but a supplement to, the daily work of the LBRP and Middle Pillar exercise. It might be worth considering by anyone who's working the GD path solo and so doesn't have the advantage of getting exposed to elemental energies in an established temple.

Thoughts?

Looking for different methods on stfu.

I don't like to lie, so I mostly try to head off the questions, or answer like I am running for office.

How do you keep your silence golden?

Hi everyone! I’d like to ask about your experiences using planetary magic (the Supreme invocation Ritual of the Hexagram) to achieve material results—for example, improving things at work, relationships, obtaining something you want, etc.

The idea is to perform a ritual for a planet that corresponds to what you’re trying to achieve, and then make your request to the archangel after invoking the appropriate spiritual hierarchy.

I’d really appreciate hearing about your experiences and results.

Thanks!

Does the fictitiousness of the authorship of the cipher manuscripts in any way invalidate the teachings of the golden dawn?

Im reading "The Mystical Qabalah" by Dion Fortune and the author links the Sephiroth to the chakras. Do you think there are any truths to these claims?

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Hi there. I've been wondering about traditional rulership regarding visas: which planet governs visa acceptance and success?

Saturn rules the gatekeeper and denial.

Jupiter rules foreign travel and expansion.

Mercury rules the application and interview.

In your practice or reading, which holds the stronger claim over the outcome itself and why?

The book mentions doing 1 month Themis meditation, 1 month Maat, 2 months Thme. At the start of it it provides 10 weeks worth of sense awareness (of the 16 weeks). It does not mention how long to do (I will call it the) astral ball exercise or the darkness technique. Should it be assumed that those need to be daily for the 4 months?

Hello everyone,

I observed that my eyes flutters immediately i start my qabalistic cross. It doesnt hurt like kriyas used to hurt die to intensity during my kundalini awakening/chakra unblocking phase.

My eyes and brows flutters like they are dancing and shuts really close. It also happened when i did the meditation whereby i had to imagine a salt crystal and create a cube.

Does anyone experience this or has anyone experienced this? What could be happening please? I will really appreciate your insight. Thank you 🙏

Title says it all.

Dear brothers and sisters,

I am still a baby Neophyte, taking my first steps and learning the lessons by heart: Hebrew, Qabalah, the Elements, the Zodiac, correspondences, Tarot, and the connections within connections.

I have built my altar and continue to learn every day—daily, daily, daily. Through consistency and persistence, as with any endeavor, I know I will be successful. My life HAS changed in so many ways for the better since I performed my first LBRP in February, with Modern Magick in one hand and the other tracing the pentagrams.

Now I know it by heart, along with several other basic rituals. Little by little, I am becoming more knowledgeable and consistently putting what I learn into practice in a way I have never done with anything else in my life.

As I understand it, most magical systems eventually involve working directly with certain entities. I am not interested at all in working with demons or other supposedly “negative” entities, for personal and ethical reasons.

The other option, then, is angels. Yes, they are already involved in most, if not all, of the rituals. However, I know there is another system that may be very beneficial to me in the future: Enochian. For now, though, this interest is more of an aspiration. I do not want to rush into it.

My dear Fraters and Sorors, I may be getting far ahead of myself, but I would like to begin studying and practicing Enochian next Good Friday, following the example of our dear Frater John Dee.

I own Aaron Leitch’s three volumes on Enochian. I have read two of them, somewhat understood them, and intend to read and reread them until I have mastered the theoretical material before even beginning anything practical. The third one is literally a dictionary of Angelic so it will be harder to tackle.

My questions are these: Do any kind Fraters or Sorors here practice Neo-Enochian—or, even better, traditional Enochian? If you feel comfortable sharing, I would like to know how you have fared with it and what you needed to do in preparation.

Did you create the Book of Loagaeth from scratch using pen and paper, or did you simply print it? What differences have you experienced between Neo-Enochian and “pure” Enochian?

Neo-Enochian seems much more familiar to me because of its Golden Dawn structure, but eventually I would like to explore and practice both.

Thank you for your guidance,

Godbless,