r/ItalianGenealogy

Ciao a tutti!

Recently I have been trying to research my great grandfather and his family who came from Framura in Provinica Della Spezia. I have spent extensive amounts of time trying to find records for this commune but almost all of the records for this area, including Framura, do not seem to be digitized.

At this point I've come to the conclusion that the only way to break down this brick wall is to hire someone in Italy to research this particular line. Does anyone have any reccomendations for genealogists in this region? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Is anyone still having issues? What’s happening

Can someone help translate the paragraph at the end of my great-grandmother’s birth record?

Record number 199, Antonina Falco

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua16172635/wErKVE2

Archivio di Stato di Trapani > Stato civile italiano > Gibellina > 1884 Page 67 of 108

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Buongiorno a tutti
I am researching my Italian families Caramore/Fabbiani (Nonno) and Previero/Faoro (Nonna) and their family lines (see above).
Both families are from the northern part, mostly the Veneto (Lusia, Este, Masi, Ospedaletto Euganeo). I am doing well until back to the 1870's but then the problems start (exception: the Previero line is well documented, as part of the family emigrated to Brazil, where someone did a great job finding lots of information).
Fot the rest it is very hard to find records as the area was part of the Austrian Empire between 1815 and 1859/66 (Regno Lombardo-Veneto) and part of the Napoleonic France before that. I am lacking the information, which diocese my anchestors acutally belonged to and it seems the northern areas have fewer documents online and those that are, are less well indexed than those from the the south. I understand Italian fairly well, but do not write it; I can use deepl translate however. Has anybody got any tips on where I could find some online resources? I am planning to travel in the area possibly in spring (I live in Switzerland, so it's just a short hop) but it would help enormously, if I had a little more information before then.
Thank you so much for any help/hints/tips

Buongiorno,

Scrivo qui perché mi trovo di fronte ad un muro per una delle mie antenate. In pratica Maddalena Baccino/a, moglie di Francesco Gamba (1805-1877), originaria di Castelletto d'Erro, ha avuto due figli a Castell'Alfero (Asti) rispettivamente nel 1847 (Paolo Pietro Gamba) e nel 1849 (Vincenzo Carlo Gamba). Sono andata all'archivio diocesano di Asti mesi fa e di fatto ho trovato gli atti di battesimo. Poi sapendo che Francesco Gamba era morto nel 1877 a Castell'Alfero e avendo un'altra moglie quando morì mi sono messa a vedere gli atti di morte tra il 1849 e il 1865 (visto che online ci sono gli atti dal 1866 e lei non risultava da nessuna parte) ma non l'ho trovata. Potrebbe essere morta in un altro paese? Oppure vi è qualche altra spiegazione per sapere che fine abbia fatto?

My paternal grandparents emigrated from the Marches near Ancona. They ate polenta as often as they did pasta. They didn’t celebrate St. Joseph’s Day.

I have been searching “FIORAVANTE CROCE” for it for almost a decade, and since I began researching our family history, I have encountered variations in the family records because the surname was not recorded correctly for some of the Italian immigrant’s children.

We do not know exactly where he was born. Some relatives have mentioned Cremona, Turin, Piedmont, Armeno, and other locations. However, we do have documentation showing that he departed from Genoa and arrived in Argentina in 1887 at the age of 29. He married Manuela Roman Basan in Paraguay, in 1888, and the records continue from there.

I have also found records for other individuals named Fioravante Croce, but they do not appear to be our ancestor because their ages and the corresponding dates do not match the timeline we have established.

I have conducted extensive research through FamilySearch, but we do not have his passport or any other definitive identity document. In my opinion, the case is complicated, but if there is anything that can be done to identify his place of birth and locate his birth certificate, we would be extremely grateful for the assistance.

Any information regarding the cost of genealogical research would also be greatly appreciated. My brother has sent many emails to different archives and research organizations. Some relatives believe that our ancestor was born in a place referred to as the AVO, while others have told us that the records were destroyed in a fire and that only records dating from around 1920 onward are available. This was discouraging, but we would very much like to continue searching.

Edit: On his death certificate that he was from Milan, but it doesn’t mention anything about his date of birth, only his date of death.

Centuries ago, Albanian Christians fled their native land when it came under Islamic rule and settled in southern Italy and Sicily. In some villages, an Albanian dialect is still spoken. The people are known as Arbereshe. Have you ever checked your genealogy to see if you are of distant Albanian ancestry? A giveaway might be the surname “Albanese”.

Is it still down for everyone cause it’s not working for me? Anyone know why?

I’m posting this for my wife since she doesn’t have a Reddit account. Here is her post:

Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone with experience researching Calabria, particularly Vibo Valentia/Maierato, might be able to help me with a difficult Ruffa/Ruffo family mystery.

I'm researching my Italian-American ancestor:

Antonio Ruffa/Ruffo

- Born: August 21, 1899
- Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area
- Died: October 24, 1979
- Wife: Mary DePalma Ruffa (June 12, 1913 – January 3, 2002)

I'm trying to identify Antonio's parents.

Italian record I've found

I found this FamilySearch civil registration:

Giuseppe Ruffa

- Born: October 17, 1867
- Certificate No. 22
- Vibo Valentia civil registration, 1861–1910
- Parents: Antonio Ruffa and Giulia Iannello

FamilySearch citation:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X74M-QYN5

I'm investigating whether this Giuseppe could be connected to my American Antonio.

Another interesting record

I also found:

Giuseppe Ruffo

- Age 29
- Occupation: sawyer
- Immigration: August 24, 1896
- Naples → New York
- Ship: Bolivia

His age is compatible with the Giuseppe born in 1867, but again, I have not established that they are the same person.

What I'm trying to determine

I'm hoping someone familiar with Calabria or Italian civil records might be able to help me determine:

1. Whether the 1867 Giuseppe Ruffa and the 1896 Giuseppe Ruffo could plausibly be the same person.
2. Whether Antonio Ruffa/Ruffo (born 1899 in Pennsylvania) could be a son of this Giuseppe.
3. Whether the family of Antonio Ruffa + Giulia Iannello can be traced through Maierato/Vibo Valentia records.
4. Whether there are other Ruffa families in the area that should be considered competing candidates.
5. What records would be most useful for proving or disproving these hypotheses.

Thank you! I'm very grateful for any ideas, corrections, record suggestions, or information about Ruffa families from this area. I'm very new to geology and definitely stuck right now.

UPDATE BELOW AUG 7- For last few days the same error message keeps popping up on every register page "An error occurred SyntaxError: Unexpected non-whitespace character after JSON at position 4 (line 1 column 5)". Everything is blank and only some thumbnails seem to be visible. Have also noticed that many pages/documents and years that used to be accessible are 'missing' (but that might be another topic to add). I know it's Ferragosto but I don't think it applies to websites ;-)

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Posted on 'News' page of site today- https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/news/

I have a question about a baptism document. The act is located on Page 12 of this document, bottom left.: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8N-D79Z-Q?view=index&cc=2013622&lang=en

It appears to say that she was baptised as Concetta Agata Maria, as well as Agata Carmela Grazia. Is that correct? If so, why would this happen? I've never seen this before.

TIA