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When I was younger I genuinely used to cry hoping that WWX made up with JC but after separating from a friend who was almost identical to JC personality wise it really made me understand WWX. Like yeah my experience was def not bad as what WWX went through with JC in terms of the physical violence but the emotional and mental violence was just as bad. My honest opinion fr because JC is toxic like the way he views himself and WWX like I'm so happy WWX had LWJ in the end😭. I feel like SOME JC fans alongside the JC glazers genuinely forget that even though they both cared for one another, JC's resentment, jealousy, grief, and completely different way of seeing the world really affected WWX. Like this man was getting abused for little reasons and I'm not blaming JC but if I was WWX I wouldn't ever talk to JC again unless it was needed. As someone who went through similar experiences that trauma really doesn't just disappear and go away. ESPECIALLY when that person hasn't really changed much.

(Also didn't even fully realize it was that bad until I met better people in my life which is why I'm genuinely happy that WWX had LWJ in the end.🫶🏽)

Hey everyone,
I’ve been thinking a lot about the character foils in Mo Dao Zu Shi, and I noticed some really striking, dark similarities between two sets of characters that we don't usually group together. MXTX loves using foils, and these connections really highlight how easily good intentions or tragic flaws can warp a person.
1. Jiang Cheng and Su She: Consumed by Jealousy and Unacknowledged Debts
When you look closely, Jiang Cheng and Su She are two sides of the same coin. Their entire lives and motivations are driven by deep-seated inferiority complexes and jealousy toward a superior peer.
The Objects of Jealousy: Su She spends his life bitter and envious of Lan Wangji, trying desperately to mimic him while resenting his effortless perfection. Jiang Cheng, similarly, spends his life in the shadow of Wei Wuxian, forever feeling inadequate as a sect leader because he can never match WWX's natural genius.

The Life Debts Repaid in Blood: Both owed immense life debts to their benefactors, and both repaid those debts with betrayal and blood.
Su She owed his life to Wei Wuxian after the Water Ghoul incident at Biling Lake.

Jiang Cheng owed his life (and core) to the Wen Siblings (Wen Ning and Wen Qing). He also owed a massive debt to WWX. Even if JC didn't know about the golden core transfer until the very end, in his own POV at the time, he believed WWX sacrificed his own chance to meet Baoshan Sanren so JC could get his core restored.

The Ultimate Betrayal: Neither of them ever truly acknowledged these massive spiritual and physical debts. Instead, they both had a direct hand in orchestrating the downfall and deaths of the very people who saved them.

Note: I acknowledge that Jiang Cheng originally got captured by the Wens to save Wei Wuxian. It was a massive sacrifice. However, that one good act does not erase the years of injustice, persecution, and hostility he later directed at his own shixiong.
2. Wei Wuxian and Wen Zhuliu: Fierce Loyalty to a Fault
This parallel is a bit more uncomfortable but highly fascinating. In their own eyes, both Wei Wuxian and Wen Zhuliu are men bound by a profound sense of debt to their respective sect leaders—a loyalty that automatically extended to the next generation.
Protecting the Offspring:
Wen Zhuliu owed a life debt to Wen Ruohan. Because of this, he compromised his own morality to protect and serve Wen Chao, executing horrific orders just to keep his master's spoiled, cruel son safe.

Wei Wuxian felt an unpayable debt of gratitude to Jiang Fengmian for taking him off the streets. To repay this, WWX gave up his golden core, his reputation, and ultimately his life to protect Jiang Cheng and the Jiang sect.

The Core Melter vs. The Yiling Patriarch: Both became feared, monstrous figures in the cultivation world primarily because they acted as the ultimate shields for their chosen sides. They both chose a path of absolute devotion over conventional morality, though WWX did it to protect the innocent, while Zhuliu did it out of rigid, blind obligation.

What are your thoughts?
Do you think Wen Zhuliu serves as a warning of what Wei Wuxian could have become if the Jiangs had been as villainous as the Wens? And does Jiang Cheng's behavior toward WWX make him closer to Su She than he’d ever care to admit?
Would love to hear your thoughts and any extra parallels you might see!

I’m honestly rlly boring when it comes to fanfics as I only really like them when they are like continuations of the story 😔💔 (I know boring)

Does anyone have any recs, preferably wangxian central ? Sort of the same vibes as the extras if that makes sense, cause thats what I like

After reading the books I can no longer feel anything in my life. I miss the Cloud Recesses, I long to stay in Yunmeng, I want the story to keep on rolling…. What am I supposed to do? I’m so caught up in it, anyone else like me??? I know I’ve the manhua and the animation left but just feel empty when the book is done

Help, bro when I first watched the untamed I got pretty bored towards the 34th episode and lost time and interest to watch it. but I started rewatching today and OMG I don't know why I feel like crying every time I see lan zhan 😭 and I'm still on first episode AAAAHHHHHH

I have seen a lot of fanfics where they portray the Cultivation World hypocrisy, but a certain pet peeve of mine is making the characters act out of character,they either make them too nice or too evil without the nuance of their canon counterparts.

Are there any fanfics that Portray the Cultivation World hypocrisy and corruption but portray the characters close to canon ?

For some reason the idea of Nie Huaisang cutting a bitch with a war fan in all his stealthy glory just makes me happy.

Any kind of suggestion would help, bonus - if Wei WuXian assists him in learning to wield a war fan.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/32194453

Their first meeting is hilarious- and a small plot twist(nothing bad i promise) at the near end as well. This one includes smut, give this fic lots of love!

I was drifting through the fandom and I saw some old arguments like this one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoDaoZuShi/comments/1hzvwg2/this_is_why_the_clans_condemned_the_wen_remnants/

I was very vexed.

I understand that nobody here was trying to condone the Clans,they were just trying to explain their actions, but I heavily disagree with their explanation behind their actions !

This got me thinking a lot about drawing the line between the characters responsibilities and what was justified in that era.

So I choose to make a post about my own opinion on this topic.

\-I heavily disagreed with the take about Mdzs being historical fiction ( it doesn't take place in a specific dynasty or era). This is a Xianxia, though it does have some historical inspirations it's by no means takes place in a specific time in chinese history.

\-Secondly, trying using historical context to try to explain why the characters didn't help Wei Wuxian even if they knew the Wen Remnants were innocent goes against one of the core themes of the novel,

That the Cultivation World is extremely hypocritical and corrupt,they don't care about righteousness, despite preaching it all the time.

Not to mention They are ruled by mob mentality.

In short they only care about power. What's right is what is convenient at the moment and the mob decides what that is.

\-Thirdly,Saying that the Leaders couldn't help because of the law is wrong,we see multiple times throughout the book that people don't care about the state of the Wen Remnants because they deeply despise them, including Jiang Cheng.

His clan was in a good state by that point,so saying that he was in a Vulnerable position doesn't work,he could have done the bare minimum and told Nie Mingjue why he owed the Wen Siblings, but chose to add fuel to the fire instead.

(Jin Guangyao tells Jiang Cheng that the sects were jealous of his success,so they drove a wage between them. Implying that things would have turned out differently if JC had supported WWX),

There was nothing stopping any of the sects from investigating the allegations of abuse at the camps (It had inspectors from all four sects).

Nobody was obligated to take part in the Seige, but they all choose to participate anyway !

And if this was justified,why did they cover up the events of the siege and hid the corpses in the blood pool ? Why couldn't Ouyang-zongzhu bring himself to tell the truth to his son if he thought they were in the right ?

I already made a post,but I feel that one didn't properly address the core issues properly so I made a new one.

Also there is this great post that I found that further examines this:

https://fannish-karmiya.tumblr.com/post/666889871977218048/who-knew-the-truth-about-the-wen-remnants/amp